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Ron Paul's plan being announced Monday. Cutting $1 trillion. Cutting his pay to $39,000

Ron Paul is coming out with his detailed plan on Monday. Will be specific on what he will cut.

Ron Paul’s detailed agenda for America will be disclosed next week and a senior official with his campaign tells The Brody File that it includes eliminating five governmental departments, cutting one trillion dollars in spending and Dr. Paul would take a presidential salary of just $39, 336, which is the median salary of the American worker (The President’s base salary is normally $400,000).

http://blogs.cbn.com/thebrodyfile/archive/2011/10/14/exclusi...

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I think this wasgreat, but

the media made it sound like it was a drop in the bucket. I think maybe dollar wise it is, but leadership wise this is a brave move and should have been on RESPECTFULLY every channel and blogpost. This is what I have been calling for Obama to do as a "true-leader" for more than 3 years now. This is another of many true leadership moves by Ron Paul. Please everyone support him. National day of prayer for him and his family November 11, 2011 at 11 is the time for silence.

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Really commendable job, I

Really commendable job, I have never see any statesman or politician accepting such low salary. Any one can clearly see the difference between 39336 and 400000 but honestly one question comes mind ,is it really true or a trick to hide some other suspicious work

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These black bars on Ron's

These black bars on Ron's name bug the hell out of me. They interrupt visual comprehension and the flow of thought while reading. It's ridiculous groupthink fads like this that make coming here daily more of a chore than an intellectual stimulant. Please stop ruining your posts with this visually offensive redaction blight.

EDIT: Goddammit... Now it looks like we have no choice in the matter regarding those black bars (added automatically!!!). I'll return when this is over. It's just plain stupid, guys.

What are you talking about?

I have been away for some time with the daily Paul. What are these black bars you are talking about? Ron Paul 2012 and more more more!!

My thoughts on the budget

Overall, not bad.

Major flaw: Ron Paul says that tax revenue will jump to 3.8 trillion by 2016 (and with his cuts to 3.1 trillion). I think that is a fantasy. Everyone falls for that trap; Obama and Rand did the same thing. It isn't going to happen.

Another flaw: In Rand's budget, he specifically went over WHAT he would cut. If you cut the department of the interior 30%, where does that cut come from? You have to specify it.

Another major flaw: It isn't one trillion in cuts,. Ron Paul double counts on some of the savings. That is why you have to specify cuts. If you cut all employee pay, but then eliminate the DOE, you are double-counting the cut to the DOE and the cut to the pay of the hypothetical DOE workers.

Also, when he repeals Obama's stimulus, he repeals the 200 billion in tax savings that come in the form of credits (other than 18 billion which are tax credits in excess of what someone pays in taxes, the others are incentivized tax credits, health care credits, etc. that are less than one someone pays in taxes. The numbers are hard to crunch but are there). It is actually only about 720 billion in cuts. He could also be double counting them in his revenue cuts (other expiring tax relief) somewhat

Ron Paul has stated he will roll over some things in the eliminated departments elsewhere. However, I don't see that. Where are things like pell grants rolled over? That is going to add some more money on to the budget.

On the cuts: Two I specifically disagree it. Those are food stamps and NIH funding. NIH funding provides tremendous bang for buck. Study after study has shown that money given to the NIH stimulates the economy many, many fold. Food stamps, before the recession (this qualifier is important), was successful in its intent. If you took an arbitrary date, 6 months later, there would be 78% turnover in the recipient population; one year takes you to 95%. After that one year, 88% of those recipients remain out of the program for at least the net five years. I think that shows that it is a very succesful program. It also stimulates the economy with a decent-fold effect, not quite recovering tax revenue but coming very close.

On tax revenue: I generally like his cuts. However, cutting the corporate tax rate isn't smart. Here are the reasons why:

Many of the largest corporations pay no taxes already, yet they still create no jobs. They recieve government subsidies, but still pay no taxes and create no jobs. Cutting the tax rate is going to change nothing.

Federally, businesses in American pay about 5.8% in taxes. I don't know what burden of that is on big companies and what is on small companies. I suspect small businesses and big businesses tend to get the lowest rates, while middle companies (non-billion but multi-million) get the highest rates. That is already a very low tax rate.

If you want to lower their tax burden meaningfully, you have to go to the states. States on average add a tax burden of 15% to businesses, with sales tax + payroll taxes thrown in. Of course, some states have a very low tax burden, but they still have no jobs being created.

On repatriation of corporate money. I think this is a completely wrong line of thinking. Companies and banks have trillions of dollars in cash, in America, and they aren't creating jobs. Futhermore, while putting your money overseas is a good way to protect it from uncle Sam, you know what a better way is? Putting into your business. If you invest your profits into your business, you aren't taxed. Public companies also have the option of giving out dividends at the 15% tax rate.

Also, overall, he's reducing the deficit by about 400 billion. I'd rather raise taxes and wipe out that deficit. That way, we don't have inflation, which targets the poor and middle-class much more than it targets the rich.

Another note: How about cancelling the debt owed to the FED?

On regulation: How about re-instating glass-steagal or eliminating fractional reserve banking altogether?

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

What fun it will be to see

What fun it will be to see this presentation. Yet I wonder when I will finally actually witness this event. I am certain that I can watch it here at dailypaul.com though ;-}

For those who believe.....

this will not receive substantial MSM coverage:

I personally believe it will get more than enough coverage; only I anticipate it will be done in a manner as to say why Ron Paul's plan CANNOT be done, that it's "crazy", "absurd", "ludicrous", etc., etc., etc., ad nauseum, ad infinitum.

I personally expect the self-appointed gate-keepers of public opinion to attempt to tell their viewers/readers how they just couldn't live and survive and prosper without all these wonderful entities and institutions that they've created for us mere mundanes' good and well-being.

In other words......I expect them to lie about Ron Paul's ideas.

"For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged, by better information or fuller consideration, to change opinions, even on important subjects, which I once thought right but found to be otherwise." - Benjamin Franklin

rp needs econ and political advisors

if an advisor like peter schiff does not review rp's plan, then yes it will get ripped as one of his out of space ideas. hence, if rp had advisors or accepted feedback and questions from his on the fence supporters, he and the libertarian movement would be so much better off.

people are just looking for a few tweaks and clarification from rp, but he is just not giving it. perhaps it is votes he does not care for?

bd

tina,

I believe I understand your point, but I think it's important to remember that the vast majority of economists and financial "experts" seen on the boob-tube (and heard on the radio) by the American sheeple everyday are Keynesians.

Most prospective voters do not know the Schiff's of the world or understand even the basics of Austrian economics, so the point of having the Schiff's of the world come out in favor of and/or explain RP's plan, while a net positive and good, is somewhat moot in light of this unfortunate fact.

This is where it becomes crucial for RP supporters who do understand the fundamentals of Austrian economics to disseminate the ideas to the general population and prospective voters IMO.

In short, I'm saying that mantle falls on us to make things clear(er) for them.

"For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged, by better information or fuller consideration, to change opinions, even on important subjects, which I once thought right but found to be otherwise." - Benjamin Franklin

RP's plan for pay scale

I would like to see added in as a suggestion that those in Congress also have pay either at that level/or representative of their districts and states and no benefits packages. I think this might be more substantive as scaling back Big gov't, and not come across as hoaxy.

hope media gives this substantial coverage

I am sending this to Drudge Report.

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On Sept 29 Newt Gingrich

On Sept 29 Newt Gingrich announced his 21st Century Contract with America. Not only did it fail to create a media splash, it failed to draw a question in the last debate. Perry this week announced his energy jobs plan in Penn, drew modest coverage so far. Cain's 999 is the exception, not the rule. Benton et al are learning about advertising. I pray they will learn about publicity, packaging and promoting your plan announcement.

10-15 million more voters need to believe in non-interventionism (liberty) at home and abroad to change America. Minds changed on Syria. Minds changing on privacy. "Printing money" is part of the dialogue. Win minds through focus, strategy.

Now it gets Interesting

Dr. Paul is running a brilliant campaign. He has positioned himself perfectly behind three very flawed candidates, and now he brings the game to his strength, real policy. Perry and Cain will be completely out gunned and out classed talking about concrete policy, and this campaign will become a two man battle between Romney (corporate, interventionist, banker backed) and Dr. Paul, constitutionalist.... we know who wins.
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this is very big for paul's campaign

CBN has a viewership that reaches into the millions. once they see that he is pro-life and votes consistently he might see a big increase in support.
several of the responses to the article were calling for herman cain to be his vp. i know cain has had some issues with paul but i think he can be persuaded on those and perhaps might help paul implement some of his plans.

Does Anyone Know If The MSM Will Carry This Press Conference?

I hope at least C-Span will cover the Ron Paul Press Conference Live from Vegas at 3PM PT..

be assured....

....this will get absolutely ZERO coverage. What would make us think the lame-ass media will do anything other than █████ it ███ ??

this

is good news!

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AMAZING! That should send a

AMAZING! That should send a huge message to everyday Americans! He's not in it for the money. He's in it to help. that's not much more then I make a year. I'm impressed. That's how you lead by example!

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"Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state wants to live at the expense of everyone.” - BASTIAT

Most important is how this

Most important is how this plan will REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE FEDERAL GOVT.

This plan will be controversial because it is the first plan offered by a candidate that seriously addresses the issue of decreasing the size of the federal government.

"Government is too big." Most people agree.

How do you reduce the size and scope of government in order to reign in federal spending?

Cut and eliminate bloated federal agencies that can easily be consolidated into other pre-existing agencies.

It will be quite interesting to see if the DHS, and TSA are amongst the proposed agencies to be eliminated.

It will also be VERY interesting to see if ANY of Ron Paul's proposed cuts come from the military.

My gut is telling me that The Restore America Plan to cut $1 Trillion in federal spending will have NOTHING to do with the military.

As a caveat, I think Ron Paul will mention how his Restore America Plan can be further bolstered by ending the wars, and bringing our troops home from around the world so they can defend America first, and spend their money here, not overseas.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

Salary and plan

The plan is exciting.

First. Having worked in news media, I believe the media, will NOT focus on the salary but will continue to label and mock Dr. Paul for cutting depts we "so" desperately need, and only a crazy person would even suggest it.

Second. The salary thing is working as an offense to Obama/Clinton class warfare. Think guys, if the president is paid like the working man where is the class warfare ? Actually if they play this right, Paul can straight up discuss "class warfare politics", by discussing salary.

Third. It begins phase 3 get the man who the Republicians already promised the '12 nomination too -> Romney. Paul will need to address Romney the elite rich guy President, who is not for the people, but for banks and military contracting, by discussing salary he may be able to expose Romney with minimal main stream media.

Paul's campaign is built on truth, the economy is the 'x' factor in 2012, I think it will play on "follow the money", where does it come from and where does it go. If the truth is seen - Paul's campaign could be a underdog success.

"This isn't what the govern meant"

"Win the crowd and you will win your freedom"

paul - third party candidate

agreed - republicans already promised nomination to romney. so rp will need to go independent. republicans leadership do not work on free will, they are control freaks. they would rather burn down the party or decimate the party before establishment would give the nomination to paul (or others like bachmann).

given cain's rise, voters are not ready to fully accept truth or hope or change. obama will win unfortunately in the absence of a third party candidate.

bd

Economy is the X Factor

The economy is the x factor in this campaign.

Obama cannot raise the debt ceiling again without losing the election, and his administration cannot control or even forcast spending very accurately...also if the report on wartime contracting is made openly public, Obama is also looking bad, his effort to seal the record 20 yrs., may fail.

Romney admitted on the last debate he would "prevent contagion", in other words a bailout, if a Euro bank fails, or if Greece fails to make several payments, Romney is not looking like the guy.

Neither Obama or Romney can win if the X factor hits a bump. Paul is in position, against these guys if the economy takes the direction Peter Schiff and others like myself believe.

I see the MSM press releases now on Paul's plan, and NOTHING about salary, as I suspected it calls TO MUCH ATTENTION to Obama and MSM class warfare strategy. Way to go Paul campaign team a small victory so far !!

"This isn't what the govern meant"

"Win the crowd and you will win your freedom"

Does Anyone Know If The MSM Will Carry This Press Conference?

I hope at least C-Span will cover the Ron Paul Press Conference Live from Vegas at 3PM PT..

well he has to go where the others fear

to go on this .. 1st.. what is the engine of job creation... I hope he will be more specific in how to down size fed gov shift more tasks to states .. I hope he goes to the issue of agriculture, corn, and subsidies ..I hope he is clear on protecting our homeland .. what will he tell the congress to do with the UN,the world bank and the WTO and IMF..if he does not specify how we can maintain our perceived interests around the globe he will lose support of some.he champions less foreign presence but has not convinced a seasoned older voter and younger active types( not necessarily the OWS group) that foreign bases and our "vital" interests must be carefully closed while we choose which to keep to satisfy the hounds that will bark all night if he is to vague...I hope he has some specific plan to further the move to save the wild and help preserve our forest etc and to sharpen property rights to help small independent food produces..what is his plan to finance the roads and travel here ..what is his smaller gov going to do to enhance teaching of students without the dept of education...will he talk about the inflated costs of higher learning ?? will he specify how to dismantle Obamacare even if it is not ruled a violation of the commerce clause and all..he cant try to do to much in one effort but he has never had the proper delivery of his message in the mainstream so that those unawares voters who rely on the corporate media get to hear his reasoned voice...such that it is understood as beneficial and not a libertarian vision for america, which will never take hold in extreme measure... another weak ness...is that people may appreciate his intent but he is very misread on the environment ..That may be a blow for if defense is his target and the fed issue is there if he also goes after the stewards of the environ he will get blasted... regarding the constitution..many wonder why the interest ..many do not think it is applicable to a high tech multi culture society now..he is going to have to show its relevance short of a constitution convention...nightmare..that opens the door to a nightmare ..

joepast comment to be sent to RP campaign office

joepast comments here are great and such feedback should go to rp's campaign staff. do they solicit feedback or accept feedback? sometimes it appears that rp has no political or economic advisors for 2012. he is shooting from the hip, but noone to consolidate the feedback from rp supporters and non-rp supporters and on the fence rp supporters, so that he could increase his base.

although a good campaign, it does not appear to have the campaign infrastructure of obama campaign where tools are used to gauge on how to convince more voters.

truly, there just a few things rp could tweak or clarify to get many more votes, yet he simply does not do so. why is that? Are his message sufficient or are more votes better?

bd

radical rp plan

unfortunately, media will pounce on rp plan. cutting 5 dept may seem radical especially with no transiton plan and to keep a few good things that the agencies do.

does rp have an economic adviser to give him advice on the plan? i don't believe the liberation ideology has been ironed out in terms of regulations. what freaks people out is when you say no regulations and you imagine coyotes going wild and people running around snorting heroine. yes, you need a few basic regulations, and rules for what not to regulate and rules for how not to regulate.

rp needs help in ironing this ideology out and putting together a movie and short film clips on liberation ideology and what a country w/ this ideology would look like and function. how it would still be a superpower, etc..

any takers? if so, email t.sha55@yahoo.com

bd

WARNING!!

The media will accuse Dr. Paul of wanting to "gut" defense. It is very important that Paul answer this criticism clearly and concisely. I would suggest something like this;

"I am not cutting defense, i am cutting unnecessary military costs that do not contribute to the defense of this country one bit. I am ensuring that America will have a defense in the future. What do I mean? The greatest threat to our national defense is our imminent bankruptcy and destruction of the currency. If we keep the status quo, and do nothing, bankruptcy will ensure there will be no money for the military and none for defense. America will be defenseless. But if we cut back on the military now, as I propose, then we can keep our defense and help prevent the bankruptcy of this country. It's a difficult choice but a necessary one to protect the American People in the future. As President I will always protect the American People!"

All he really needs to do is

draw a line and differentiate cutting "defense" and cutting "offense." It is much easier for people to understand cutting our military spending on preemptively attacking other nations because we think they might do something some day in the future.

If we cut our military offensive spending, we will have more for our defense. Simply put.

In fact, maybe we ought to push the change of this terminology in our discussion with Republicans. It will help our argument make more sense to them.

"He did not come into the world to condemn it, but to save it." - John 3:17

"Well, you know it's like I always say 'it ain't government work if you don't have to do it twice.'" - Jerry Gergich

He could address this clearly in a news byte for TV.

It is imperative that he clearly articulate what will happen and why. The American people will go along with it as long as they trust him. And trust is earned by telling Americans the truth, which is vastly different from what the other candidates are willing to do.

Valid point. It is doubtful whether they would allow him .....

the free rein to say that much in a debate, however.

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