Peter Schiff: My Dad is a Patriot, a Political Prisoner in Jail For His Beliefs Who Stood Up for His Constitutional Rights
Submitted by LibertyPulse.com on Thu, 10/20/2011 - 18:28During an interview on the Mike Church Show Peter Schiff talks in great detail about his father here is an exert from the interview:
...Peter: He’s 83 years old, so he’s still alive. He is in a federal penitentiary. He is a political prisoner because he’s in jail for his beliefs. He’s in jail because he stood up for his constitutional rights and challenged the government’s authority. And so he’s in jail, but he is a patriot. And hopefully one day he can get out of jail while he’s still alive because he got, like, a 13-year sentence for the trumped-up charges that they put him in jail for. But, yeah, I mean, he’s a patriot...
...My father was the only witness that testified that going off the gold standard would unleash a lot of inflation, that it would be bad for the economy, and that the price of gold would go up. And of course within 10 years of going off the gold standard, gold was $800 an ounce. We had double-digit inflation. The economy was a wreck. And the same type of thinking that took us off the gold standard in 1971, that’s the same type of thinking that’s coming up with all these cockamamie stimulus plans and government bailouts. And they’re still expecting it to work. It’s not going to work. It’s just going to fail, and they’re going to destroy the economy again.
Mike: Well, Peter Schiff, thank you very much. So somebody needs to make a follow-up video, that Peter Schiff is right and Irwin Schiff was right.
Peter: He was. Get his book, “The Biggest Con.” He wrote that book in the early 1970s. Look how accurate it is about what’s happening now...
Listen to the interview here:
http://mikechurch.com/Today-s-Lead-Story/peter-schiff-my-dad...
















Free download of his book
The federal mafia
http://www.paynoincometax.com/
The Biggest Con
Yeah, The Biggest Con, great book. Irwin Schiff, Martin Armstrong, Bernard von NotHaus...
Irwin's Punishment
Irwin's punishment was extreme because he was trying to educate others about the IRS. The Regime doesn't like it when you challenge their thievery. Check out Irwin in the Libertarian Party Presidential debate from 1996. He's a good man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIn5t4YnrWI
Irwin's address
Irwin Schiff--08537-014
Federal Correctional Complex
PO Box 33
Terre Haute, IN 47808
Sheldon Waxman
sheldonw72@gmail.com
www.independentcontractor.info
www.thelawyer.info
I Represented Irwin at His Appeal
And I was punished for it. I am a Patriot too. But Peter dropped me as Irwin's attorney because of the disfavor I received for advocating Irwin's defense that never was part of the lynch job trial he had. Of course, Irwin unfortunately represented himself at the trial and that was a mistake on his part. I understand that Peter has hired a hot shot Seattle lawyer (mucho money)who will not present the defense Irwin wants for fear of punishment by the court. Irwin is soon to file a Habeas Corpus Petition. It will be his last shot at freedom--a long shot, unless Ron Paul got a chance to Pardon him. Personally, I dislike Peter.
Sheldon Waxman
sheldonw72@gmail.com
www.independentcontractor.info
www.thelawyer.info
I'm a 2L that is greatly
I'm a 2L that is greatly interested in your line of practice. Are you hiring summer interns?
Which argument were you going to bring? The incomplete ratification argument?
Ventura 2012
Sooooo...
Is your former client cool with you sh*t talking his son? Maybe Peter is concerned his father, who is only slightly younger than my own grandmother, will die in prison. Maybe Peter feels his father has spent enough time in prison and has made his point. Maybe Peter thinks his dad's message would be far more appreciated in today's climate. Maybe Peter feels his dad's wisdom and experiences would prove more valuable being espoused to a younger generation who is proving far more willing to listen, from outside a gulag.
"Men are ruled, at this minute, by the clock, by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern."
-G.K. Chesterton
Could you elaborate more on
Could you elaborate more on your contact with Peter? And why you dislike him. Are you saying that he forced his father to represent himself by firing you? Your story was difficult to follow.
he was sentenced to 12 yrs
In 2016 he should be out if he makes it that long.
"The more you understand everything, the more you can understand anything."
PDV
Irwin languishes in vain
His own son is a big government, pro-IRS, pro-war shill.
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Are we talking about the same Peter Schiff?
The one who endorsed Ron Paul, and worked as an advisor on his campaign in 2008? Peter Schiff, who has gone on TV countless times to preach economic sense to the masses. I infact had my come to Jesus moment after watching the "Peter Schiff was right" youtube video. I read more about Austrian Economics, and it wasn't long before I became a die-hard supporter of Ron Paul and the liberty movement. Yes, I've heard some of his statements on Iran that he made while running for office. But maybe we should stop demonizing people who probably agree with 99% of the message, especially when they have done as much for the liberty movement as Peter Schiff has done.
Never knew that...
Peter was the son of Irwin!!!
I read his books years ago, and just vaguely remember this guy went to prison unjustly with the idea ingrained in my brain that "thou shalt not challenge the god of the state".
I think I have Irwin's book still.
This tells me a lot about Peter, and what made him what he is today.
"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a rEVOLution before tomorrow morning." - Henry Ford
Pardon?
I would bet that on January 1st 2013, Irwin Schiff and all tax protestors and advocates of free market money will be pardoned.
I think Ron Paul has a list, and Patriots are not going to have to spend their years in prison the crimes of standing up for their constitutional rights.
I wonder how many people he will pardon?
How much will that save?
How many families reunited?
How can you put a cost on doing the right thing.
The REVOLUTION is on...
...and EDUCATING the masses is at hand by our efforts!
Between this, and Judge Napolitano's scathing remarks about "the folly of the Fed"; we are getting it done!
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We used to SPEAK like this; our elected officials used to conduct themselves with such vigor about our founding documents, their importance, and our responsibility to preserve their integrity.
Ron Paul is the ONLY true Statesman in this race, PERIOD; and praise God for those in media positions for following his lead, and validating the legitimacy of our grievances!!!
more to come...
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AHHH!!! I can love Peter again!
Seriously, the fact that he never told his father's story bothered me so much I stopped listening to him. His father IS a PATRIOT and Peter deserves to be PROUD to be his son!! And his dad deserves to KNOW his son is proud of him. As a parent, I ached for Irwin, seeing his son gain in fame and stature and never mention his father's plight... It bothered me deeply, and that is laid to rest at last.
THANK YOU PETER for telling this tale, I hope you tell it often and with tremendous pride.
THANK YOU IRWIN for putting your life on the line for LIBERTY.
Whatever else I said a minute ago, the last word I want to get in is
LOVE!
I've heard Peter Schiff talk about his Father
and the IRS, etc. multiple times even back during the 2008 presidential campaign. Every time he showed nothing but respect and love for his Dad. And I remember being struck by it as I have a similar situation with my own Papa. Wish we had more genuine patriots such as these!
Where is Irwin Shift being held?
Let's occupy the place!!! This OWS stuff is so lame. They occupy a park and then they decide to go somewhere. If anyone is going to occupy anything, we need to stand up for those that are being oppressed now. The man is 80+ years old. Give him a break! Occupy for Irwin Shift!
Huge BUMP!
For Peter his father and freedom!
Irwin
Is a great man. A brilliant man. A true patriot. Willing to fight for what he believes in. Liberty. The movie that woke me up "America Freedom to Fascism" by another great patriot Aaron Russo. If you haven't seen it please check it out. That movie was filled with people who are brave people including Irwin.
Thank you Irwin.
I don't know enough about
I don't know enough about this subject but following Peter Schiff I strongly lean towards the fact that his father is a political prisoner and will be informing myself as much as possible.
Someone close to me has been a prisoner of conscious, it is a horrible yet inspiring (hopeful this is understood correctly) thing.My prayers go out to Irwin.
"Give me Liberty or give me death." Patrick Henry
Big Irwin Schiff supporter
He is not in jail for breaking the rules of the internal revenue code. They locked him up because he was selling his research so people could free themselves from the IRS tyranny. I have all his books and almost all of his information. I have been fighting the IRS for almost ten yrs now. With the same old run around. They never give you any documents that support their claim you owe them taxes. They will not give you a face to face hearing, which you have under your Due Process Rights code sections 6320 & 6330. They never give out a Final Notice and Demand as their own publication 594 says they have to, before they seize your property. They cannot get Verification from the Secretary that all administrative procedures have been met, even though they say they have, you will never see it. You have the right to see all documents they are using against you. That is why they don't give you face to face hearings. Kinda hard to hide the fact that they don't have the Verification from the Secretary. If they don't have it they are BREAKING THE LAW.
When they levy your accounts on the back of the levy they leave off the first paragraph of code section 6331. Which tells the banker who is liable for the taxes at hand.
Sec. 6331. Levy and distraint
(a) Authority of Secretary
If any person liable to pay any tax neglects or refuses to pay
the same within 10 days after notice and demand, it shall be lawful
for the Secretary to collect such tax (and such further sum as
shall be sufficient to cover the expenses of the levy) by levy upon
all property and rights to property (except such property as is
exempt under section 6334) belonging to such person or on which
there is a lien provided in this chapter for the payment of such
tax. Levy may be made upon the accrued salary or wages of any
officer, employee, or elected official, of the United States, the
District of Columbia, or any agency or instrumentality of the
United States or the District of Columbia, by serving a notice of
levy on the employer (as defined in section 3401(d)) of such
officer, employee, or elected official. If the Secretary makes a
finding that the collection of such tax is in jeopardy, notice and
demand for immediate payment of such tax may be made by the
Secretary and, upon failure or refusal to pay such tax, collection
thereof by levy shall be lawful without regard to the 10-day period
provided in this section.
They always start at paragraph b. You tell me if that applies to you and why would they leave that off? They never get writ of garnishments from judges and never give them notice of seizure which they are supposed to do. I could go on and on.
What people fail to understand is there are no laws that require anyone to pay so called income taxes, income taxes are voluntary. most people are just to afraid from years of brainwashing that the big bad IRs will get you. You never hear anything except that guy went to jail for income tax evasion. When most people are charged with income tax evasion they charge you will two things. Evading the tax and defeating the tax. Theres only one problem with this , they don't know the difference between either charge. This should make it impossible to convict you but they do because of corrupt judges.
Most people don't even know you don't even need a social security number to get a job. I will give anyone 300 Oz of silver if they can show me the law that says an individual has to pay income taxes as used in the constitutional sense. No the 16th Amendment does not give the government power to collect taxes. It's all about the wording of what is written.
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
The key wording is lay and collect taxes on incomes from whatever source derived. Income as used in the constitutional sense is a corporate profit. If you have Corporate profit they can tax you no matter where is comes from. But you and I are not corporations therefore cannot be taxed. The play on words is what gets people. Just like the word shall can mean may as well as must. There are lots of supreme court cases on this. Pollock case, glenshaw glass case, the merchant loan and trust case etc....
The government doesn't even define the word income. They try to fool you by using code section 61 which basically says gross income is all income. For one you can't use the same word to define itself. If I told you a bird is a big bird would that give you enough information to tell you what a bird is, if you didn't know what a bird was? The answer is No. This is the game they play people, they hope your too lazy or afraid to care or to challenge them.
If everything they are doing is so correct why wouldn't they just give me all the documents that they say proves I owe them the money I allegedly owe them? It is all fraud at the government level. Legalized extortion whatever you want to call it.
Anyways Schiff figured this all out and wrote books that told the truth about all of this. His last book The Federal Mafia how anyone can legally stop paying income taxes was banned. Because of that book is why he went to jail. They basically said that he was selling bogus info and harming people. There were like 13 charges in the indictment. If you go to his site www.paynoincometax.com he posted everything there for free now. All the court documents, briefs everything is there. Read some of it and you will see just how corrupt the system is.
If what he was saying was illegal why would they need to ban it? If people did what he said they would just arrest them. There is tons of books or information that would be illegal if you did what it said but that stuff isn't banned. The truth is they just don't want you to know the truth. His book was just to powerful. Tell me If what I was doing was so illegal then the day they got my Zero return, why didn't they arrest me? If I killed someone and they had proof they would come and get me right away, not play footsy for dam near ten yrs.
I actually have a tax court trial on Febuary 27, 2012 for my 2003, 2004 taxes. I have a frivolous penalty for 2004 income tax return of 500 which is what they always do. I went to the IRS office and got a document that says thy have no record of a return filed for 2004. Now tell me how the hell can I have a frivolous Penalty of $500 for a a tax return that they have no record of? This has been going on since 2007. I tried to get a face to face hearing, nope just a phone call and when the lady didn't like what I was saying hung up on me. Most people are either afraid or ignorant to the laws. Also the system is just so corrupt it is hard to fight them. To me it is all about principle, Schiff is the person who opened my eyes from this whole corrupt system.
Another book to read is The Power to Destroy by Sen William Roth. These hearings are what lead to code sections 6320 and 6330 which allow you to challenge anything that has to do with the underlying liability of the tax at hand.
Page 73 says "Recent internal investigations by the Internal Revenue Service itself admit that far too many of the countless assessments, seizures, levies, and liens that the IRS executes each year are inappropriate and in open violation of the law. Mistakes and abuses within the system are not rare.
Sounds a lot like what I am dealing with doesn't it. How many other are being screwed by the IRS because of their mistakes and abuses. The guys that crashed the plane into the IRS building Ring any Bells. I will end with this quote from the Federal Crop Case.
"Whatever the form in which the Government functions, anyone entering into an arrangement with the Government takes the risk of having accurately ascertained that he who purports to act for the Government stays within the bounds of his authority... and this is so even though as here, the agent himself may have been unaware of the limitations upon his authority." Federal Crop Ins. Corp. v. Merrill, 332 U.S. 380 at 384 (1947).
While I still fight the IRS. I have learned over the year and from Dr. Paul all roads lead to the Fed. End the Fed End the Abuse.
"The more you understand everything, the more you can understand anything."
PDV
Yes, Yes, Yes, However You Are Arguing Which Makes Ya The DEBTOR
Why worry about it?
There is no money to pay with so all you can do is authorize payment from the U.S. Treasury.
The United States has been in bankruptcy since 1933 which means the bankruptcy trustee has to pay all the bills (Timothy Geithner). Just Aceept all the offers they send you and write out a money order on the check they conveniently attached at the bottom. Attach a 1040v with your handwritten money order if you like. Be sure to type the name of your trust on the 1040 V to charge it to not your name. Then do a 1099-OID on your taxes next year and get a full refund (dividend) check from Treasury! The 14 trillion dollar National Debt is owed to you by the United States so they need you to claim your dividend check, the 1040 form is for claiming your dividend from U.S. Government Corporation.
They are trying to help you. You are exempt from taxes. You are only required to authorize the amount they ask you to. Then they send you a dividend check for the full amount you authorized.
They are only asking you for credit not debt (fed notes). The corporations must pay in fed notes you can pay in credit. Then they must "return" your loan you made to them when you ask for it back with your 1040 Tax return to Principle form. This way the tax bypasses you and falls upon the corporations. You can take your return check to a corporation and use it to tax them directly thus helping the IRS get around the sucky congress that protects the corporations from paying all the Income taxes like they are supposed to.
Stop acting like a DEBTOR (corporation) that owes taxes and is trying ton argue it's way out of them. Be the creditor that you are and loan them whatever credit they need to operate the company (Corp U.S. ) then claim back and collect the debt that the corporations owe in taxes by taking your tax return check to a corporation and taxing them for a car or something.
The bigger the tax offer the bigger the tax return check (dividend) you can get!
It is all backwards from what you were trained to believe. The financing for the taxes is merely borrowed in your name then returned to you as a dividend check through correct use of the 1040 form. You get back everything you "pay" pus interest if you fill out the forms as a creditor to the United States (Principle) not a debtor (corporation).
That name on your trust JOHN H DOE pays the tax not you the private man. You are just supposed to authorize it.
THE ORACLE (taxpayer)
The Oracle (tax recipient)
Yeah I have been explained that before
I have a friend who explained all the to me. I understand EDMAN29 Is not me I am Edamn29 an the Gov fools you that way. I guess I would like to see your filled out forms and your refund or whatever if it is so easy. Anyone can type stuff and say this and that but to actually do it and have it work the way you say is another deal all together. I would like to see all your paper work showing that this is actually what happens when you do what you just said. Why don't you post this stuff. Words aren't fact, legal binding documents that show this worked go a lot farther to convince anyone then you saying it.
It's not that I don't believe you cause as far as I am concerned the Gov is so wacked it wouldn't surprise me. I just have never seen any of these documents you refer to and would like to. I have never seen any proof that what you say is true and or works. So Lets see what you got and put your money where your words are.
"The more you understand everything, the more you can understand anything."
PDV
The history of the IRS
I think most should read this.
http://1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/irshist.htm
As I understand it, this data was gathered via FOIA requests that took a long time to gather because of all the smoke and mirrors around the creation and existence of the IRS.
My heart goes out to Peter, and of course
to Irwin. Peter has lived the fear that haunts many of us: seeing a loved one could be caged for standing up for Liberty. This has to be terribly hard at Irwin's age, and there is no way Peter directly can rescue him.
Irwin's only "crime" was his naive trust in justice and the rule of law.
Peter : I remember your brave dad Irwin very well...A great hero
Peter I remember you Dad very well. God, how long has it been 30, 35 years or more since he last appeared on TV fighting, arguing the case against the I.R.S. and its gestapo tactics. He was a giant of a man in my mind, a true American hero. I wondered what ever became of him..
Still in Jail? I'll never forget how bad I felt when they first threw him in jail. I felt devastated. I said to myself, if they can get Irwin Schiff, we are all in great trouble.
God bless him!! He is about 3 years younger than my parents.
I hope he is in good health. You're almost as bright as your dad. Lol.. He was the brightest man I ever knew..
I salute the great Irwin Schiff, a proud and courageous man, who fought the I.R.S. until they were able to throw him in jail to make an example of him.
It must be hard on you Peter to see you Dad wasting away, incarcerated, like a criminal. They treated him worst than a rabid animal.
The I.R.S.was set up by the Money power to suck out our substance and to make us slaves on the land our fathers fought and died for.
Peter : "One day we shall have liberty."
Say hi to your dad for me. I shall never, ever forget him and his fight for liberty.
All my best for Liberty,
"E"
we need to help him and his dad
Peter schiff has done sooo much for us. Liberating us from the ignorance of keynesian economics. FREE IRWIN SCHIFF!!!
The Federal Mafia
http://www.givemeliberty.org/NoRedress/Schiff/FederalMafiaCh...
A Ron Paul presidency could mean freedom for political prisoners who rot in Amerika's prison system and in secret CIA torture gulags around the globe.
FREE IRWIN SCHIFF and ARREST THE IRS
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I have never had any doubt that Irwin Schiff is a
political prisoner.
free Irwin
bump.
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