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Vatican Calls for 'Central World Bank' to Be Set Up

The Vatican called on Monday for the establishment of a "global public authority" and a "central world bank" to rule over financial institutions that have become outdated and often ineffective in dealing fairly with crises.

A major document from the Vatican's Justice and Peace department should be music to the ears of the "Occupy Wall Street" demonstrators and similar movements around the world who have protested against the economic downturn.

The 18-page document, "Towards Reforming the International Financial and Monetary Systems in the Context of a Global Public Authority," was at times very specific, calling, for example, for taxation measures on financial transactions.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/45013499




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Calvin Loves U$ury.

see - http://mises.org/daily/4070 -
"Calvin's main contribution to the usury question was in having the courage to dump the prohibition altogether."

and - "elements of Calvinism represented a revolt against the medieval condemnation of usury - -", in para 4:1, -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvinism

The Best is - "The Moneychangers Exposed at Last!!" -
http://www.reformation.org/moneychangers.html

It is alarming to see

It is alarming to see Catholic agencies so thoroughly and unabashedly going against Catholic teaching and thought.

of course vatican teaching has always been opposite of the bill of rights. the popes have always tried to destroy the u.s. becase we dont submit to the pope.

of course vatican teaching has always been opposite of the bill

Links to vatican documents?

Free includes debt-free!

Beware the Roman Catholic System....and all Religious systems

The whole Roman Catholic system is supposedly centered on these short verses..

Matthew 16 Geneva Bible 1599

15 He said unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 Then Simon Peter answered, and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered, and said to him, Blessed art thou, Simon, the son of Jonah, for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
18 And I say also unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church; and the gates of hell shall not overcome it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, shall be bound in heaven, and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth, shall be loosed in heaven.

I don't see anywhere in these verses that there was a "Pope" created that would be passed from man to man through the generations. I do understand by reading this that even though Peter means "rock"...the actual "rock" that Christ is speaking of is the answer that Peter correctly gave. "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God." That is the Rock that Christ build His church upon..not the denier who puts man and his ways before God's.

However If you continue reading....

20 Then he charged his disciples, that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.
21 ¶ From that time forth Jesus began to shew unto his disciples, that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the Elders, and of the high Priests, and Scribes, and be slain and be raised again the third day.
22 Then Peter took him aside, and began to rebuke him, saying, Master, pity thyself; this shall not be unto thee.
23 Then he turned back, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan! Thou art an offence unto me, because thou understandest not the things that are of God, but the things that are of men.

So Christ appointed Peter the denier, who offended Him, and only understand the ways of man rather than God, to be his all mighty Church leader for the remainder of days? Me thinks not.

This is the main problem I have had with the Roman system...yet they seem to forget this part when parading the first half of the conversation...they also seem to forget that it was Peter who denied Christ three times. The whole system is set up to be mans system and to glorify man and the church itself. Which is EXACTLY what Christ said to Peter in the ignored text following the paraded text above. We don't need a pope..we don't need to be members of the Roman Catholic church to receive salvation. However the pope is proud to say that only the Roman Catholic church holds the true path to salvation... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19692094/

I for one am saved by grace and don't require no stinking pope to "allow" me into the club.

ALL RELIGIOUS SYSTEMS ARE USELESS AND GO AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD. It can't be said any clearer than that. You were left with an instruction book and a conscience, use them. Sure hanging out with other like minded folks is great, and I find church very fulfilling at times..but don't fall into the trap of following man's rules over God's rules. While Roman churches are bad..the "reformed" are just as bad. Am I a bad person for dancing? Drinking a beer? Do I believe in the Holy Trinity? Do I go to church on Saturday or Sunday? Do I take communion from one cup or multiple cups? Do I even take communion? Does my wife cut her hair or wear makeup? Do I shave my beard? Have I ever forgotten to give my 10%?

These are all simple examples of how RELIGIOUS SYSTEMS of all kinds have distorted the Word of God and the simple requirements of God, in order to please and glorify man instead. It isn't just a Roman Catholic issue..it is an overall sickness that the physical church has suffered from the beginning. If you believe that there are requirements and needs beyond what the Bible tells you..then you are among the deceived. Read your Bible..get the Word and direction straight from the source..not the wolf in sheeps clothing. I hear arguments against God all the time...and 99% are because of the teachings of man..not the Word of God.. Big difference.

I encourage you to listen to EWTN

http://www.ewtn.com/radio/amfm.htm

Particularly the 5-7pm central time slot.

There are so many misconceptions about the Catholic Church it is mind boggling!

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Know your stuff, learn real history and economics @LibertyClassroom.com

Would gladly do so..

but this begs the question...what are my misconceptions? Just curious.

Check this out...

Wow! Finally a "holy man" that makes sense...

Sheikh Imran Hosein Prohibition of Riba (Interest)

This is the most relevant "religious message" I have ever heard.

I may become a Muslim, providing a taqiyah is a good look for me.

My eyes are beginning to open as it is becoming clear why Muslims are being demonized by Judaism and Christianity. When they say Muslims are attacking the "west" they really mean they are attacking Riba (interest) and the international banking cartel (Rothschild syndicate).

END the FED before it ENDS US

Tri-City for U$ury.

DrK, thanks for posting the link. I have seen only the first 10 min frame, its very enlightening, I will download the complete lecture and watch it.
RIBA is also the "Royal Institute of Bratish Archi'Texts", it sounds funny co-incidence. The demons call riba as the "Tree of Knowledge", then inserted it in scripture. They are $ly, utter nonsense, tricky lies, actually it is the accursed tri.
We see 3 big ones today, - big mouth with the false words, e.g. vatican & msm. Big banks with tons of fake money. Big guns that terrorize nations, NATO, etc.
See - World Economic super power -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGhl7ysL_1U

EnTree or enTry, of Tri'nity, for nit-wit$.
tri, trio, tree, three, tri'angles of /in pyramid,
the devil's fork = tri'dent, = 3 obelisks,
symbols of corruption, which 'new' dictionaries conceal.

This is a big piece of the puzzle..

Have you noticed that the countries we attack have little to no debt and don't have central banks? Well now they do. Now they are free...and by free I mean enslaved. Debt = Slavery

We on the non Muslim side don't have any Biblical problem with usury which is "collateral" or "interest" as some newer translations have used. It is when you are loaning to the poor that you shouldn't charge or take. I take that very personal. I loan when asked, never charge interest, and I've eaten a lot of loans. But I only take this approach when it is someone who is downtrodden or truly needs the money to survive. I don't loan money to people wanting to buy a new television or some crap like that. I will gladly buy someone groceries if they don't pay me back..but I'm not eating bling bling or a television.

Exodus 22 Geneva Bible 1599

25 ¶ If thou lend money to my people, that is, to the poor with thee, thou shalt not be as a usurer unto him; ye shall not oppress him with usury.
26 If thou take thy neighbor’s raiment to pledge, thou shalt restore it unto him before the sun go down;
27 For that is his covering only; and this is his garment for his skin. Wherein shall he sleep? Therefore when he crieth unto me, I will hear him, for I am merciful.

The Commercial Heritage and Contribution of Islam

The Commercial Heritage and Contribution of Islam | Mustafa Akyol

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/82127.html
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzUYVYOyALc

My dad never pays interest on money he never borrows. He is a patient man and hates to pay an impatience tax.

I suspect Dr. Paul is a patient man in that way, also.

Free includes debt-free!

That is the way I was taught..

If you need or want something, you save for it. By the time you have the money in hand, then you will be better prepared to make a good decision about the purchase. It kills the so called impulse buys. Credit is impulse buys on steroids. This is not to say that I didn't go through a stage after getting married where I THOUGHT we needed everything a family should have..and right away. We are just now digging out of that...but only because we went back to the right ways of doing things.

There is a commercial on television where a family backs up a truck and starts throwing bicycles, televisions, stereos, grills, etc..over a cliff. The point? This is what you could have bought IF you hadn't wasted money on energy because your home was inefficient. Would they dare make such a commercial explaining how that is even more true when using credit as a way of life and the interest you waste? I promise you that the average family is spending several hundred if not a thousand dollars a month in interest on impulse buys from credit cards.

I could open up my windows and turn the heat up full blast and not touch that figure. But we don't want the people to take responsibility and save money...we want them to spend spend spend like there's no tomorrow. The world of advertising and materialism makes me ill. And to pretend that there isn't some kind of "evil force" behind it all...I just can't do it. Call me a conspiracy theorist.

British Monarchy mussing: Marry a Catholic! & Movie the Forum!

Worried about being late to the proposed money-party of world denomination (£ pretend world monopoly-money; akin to world domination), the British empire proposes their own changes:

    It's a girl! Royal succession rules to change
    By Mohammed Abbas and Jonathan Thatcher
    • Girls allowed to be first in line, w/ the boys for royal succession. Who's on first?
    • Marrying a Roman Catholic to be royally permitted. Who's the umpire?
    • To be Pound £? Or to be Lira ₤?, that is no longer the question. To denominate... & by extension, dominate the Universe an Empire must go... where no currancy... has gone before...

    British royal discrimination is coming to an end after Commonwealth leaders agreed to drop rules that give sons precedence as heir to the throne and bar anyone in line for the crown from marrying a Roman Catholic. Full Article

The new proposed Universal Bank, one bank for all Galaxies... may be moved before the foundation is even laid. The US Embassy in Iraq now dwarfs the Vatican. The British Empire seeks to bring Roman Catholics into their rule, under their fold by royal marriage, no less. Soon will we witness the building of a Royal Bank of the Universe to occupy a Crown Street in London?

How will British engineers move the Roman Forum marble buildings to London? Perhaps they will just build fuller scale model for show. Or perhaps they will "make-believe it" larger than Roman life... with an action movie starting British actors (shown around the world, ad nauseam). The Royal Crown calls for action. A full length thriller. Coming to a Theatre near your English pub.

To conquer the Universe, the conquering force must include all forms of life... & their sexes... & their religions.

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

Loaning to governments is their business.

Governments borrow in our name then waste the money.

Bankers collect interest or collateral as required.

We love the impatience tax. Will our grandchildren appreciate their ancestors?

Free includes debt-free!

Will our grandchildren appreciate their ancestors?

Certainly. Which ones I leave to them to choose wisely.

Folly pervade history. Depending on who does the telling... heroes, victims & villains are interchanged. Teach your children well; love your grandchildren all the more.

Bankers collect interest or collateral as required? Nonsense. Many centuries went by with most of us paying no interest to banks... And little attention to politics. Interest on fake money ain't necessary. Fake money ain't necessary.

What is necessary?

    Some people scorn a cat and think it not an essential; but the Clemens tribe are not of these. - Samuel Clemens

Education: by bull or cat?

    ..the person that had took a bull by the tail once had learnt sixty or seventy times as much as a person that hadn't, and said a person that started in to carry a cat home by the tail was getting knowledge that was always going to be useful to him, and warn't ever going to grow dim or doubtful. -Tom Sawyer Abroad

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

Max on Vatican Bank.

at 11:0 minute Max & Stacy discuss the Vatican Bank,-
Keiser Report: Bring down Bernanke Gaddafi style (E203)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpAiy_YVf08&feature=player_em...

This week Max Keiser and co-host, Stacy Herbert, discuss Occupy London art that may be from Banksy... or Keiser Report? They also look at the skyrocketing cost of new oil supply as Tony Blair sets up office in Kazakhstan. In the second half of the show, Max Keiser interviews Gail Tverberg about the 65 year debt bubble now bursting as resources and credit hit their limit.

Ecumenical Counsel

I urge all who haven’t yet watched the video I posted in the comment just below to take a moment to lift your spirit. The message is truly apt to one’s calling.

Courage To Lead

http://www.dailypaul.com/171455/alex-jones-mega-rant-dubstep...

Occupy Yourself

http://www.dailypaul.com/184658/for-one-daywe-shut-the-syste...

Papal Bull And Times Changing

With Jesuitical sophistry it is posited here that the Apocalypse, or at least the dawn of a new Dark Ages is upon us, paradoxically rising this time not at the Fall, rather at the Renaissance of a New Wholly Roman Empire. Weeeelllllll ….. it’s a fun topic.

http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2011/09/20/if-that-aint-a-countr...

But since exposure of this conspiracy, and its Swiss connection, is now so disarmingly out in the open, we should perhaps have that Wholly Spirited discussion of the tangential issues -- actual economic merits of the burning premises giving rise to the smoke wafting out of the Vatican Chimney. Let us hope airing matters in the open will lead to a better understanding of real differences in orthodox opinion … and what’s more – common ground among our brethren.

We are called to discern the Forest for the Trees. ( Hint: often ‘us vs. them’ divisiveness is just the sort of shrubbery planted to obstruct a clear view).

http://www.dailypaul.com/184123/weekend-meditation-seeing-th...

If the Vatican in the context of history is to be the discussion, I’d like to highlight an example of courageous activism as a parable for decentralized boldness in answer to catholic (sic) authoritarianism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf2xPbQfYJ0

Indeed may the times change and enlightenment inspire renaissance of, by, and for each of us.

It's not just the Vatican; what about the Calvinists?

The Calvinists also were behind this country's demise. The ratification of the Constitution of the United States was soon followed by the first in a long series of attempts to subvert it. This was the Edwardean Conspiracy, headed by Timothy Dwight, president of Yale. The conspirators were Calvinist clergymen and professors, that is to say, Cromwellians, akin to those who had committed regicide in England and beheaded King Charles I. They now proposed to make short shrift of the new Republic. They were aided by venal politicians, whom they easily controlled through bribery and blackmail. This plot had as its goal the nullification of the First Amendment. By bribery and intrigue, they planned to establish the Calvinist church as the officially authorized, and state subsidized, religion in each state. The founder of this religion, Cauin, or Cohen, had set up a theological autocracy in Switzerland which promptly killed or imprisoned anyone who dared to criticize its acts of oppression. Cauin had then exported this diabolical "religion" to England, where its excesses devastated the entire country. 'The Edwardean Conspiracy was exposed by an Anglican clergyman, Rev. John Cosens Ogden, who published in Philadelphia in 1799 the results of his findings, "A View of the New England Illuminati, who are indefatigably engaged in destroying the Religion and Government of the United States." Although this book first appeared in 1799, it could be republished today with virtually the same text. It would only need to be updated by including the names of the current conspirators. We know the name of Timothy Dwight as one of the three organizers of the Russell Trust at Yale, also known as Skull and Bones, or the Brotherhood of Death. The same small band of conspirators has figured in every plot to destroy the American Republic.

"I support the Declaration of Independence and I interpret the Constitution."

Somehow that is not the same

as a global, over a billion strong, religious-political institution that has been around for thousands of years committing vast amounts of historically based torture and murder through limitless pages of first-hand personal testimonies.

A little different than being the "Mother of Harlots".

So what people are saying is....

"Overall" Protestants tortured many Catholics to death?
The fact that they had been hunted, tortured and killed for centruries is irrelevant? It is just mainly their fault?

Oliver Cromwell was the most evil man ever and should be blamed because Parliament and Charles I went to war against each other?

Ok, so there were a couple people "calling themselves" Calvinists doing some stupid stuff, how many centuries did this go on? How many people were tortured to death or murdered to foment the plot?

Calvin endorsed beheading those who disagreed with him

He preferred beheading his opposers rather than roasting them alive. He set the example for his followers to kill those who have different beliefs.

: "On 20 October the replies from Zurich, Basel, Bern, and Schaffhausen were read and the council condemned Servetus as a heretic. The following day he was sentenced to burning at the stake, the same sentence as in Vienne. Calvin and other ministers asked that he be beheaded instead of burnt.[55] This plea was refused and on 27 October, Servetus was burnt alive—atop a pyre of his own books—at the Plateau of Champel at the edge of Geneva.[56]"

: "By 1547, opposition to Calvin and other French refugee ministers had grown to constitute the majority of the syndics, the civil magistrates of Geneva. On 27 June an unsigned threatening letter in Genevan dialect was found at the pulpit of St. Pierre Cathedral where Calvin preached. Suspecting a plot against both the church and the state, the council appointed a commission to investigate. Jacques Gruet, a Genevan member of Favre's group, was arrested and incriminating evidence was found when his house was searched. Under torture, he confessed to several crimes including writing the letter left in the pulpit which threatened God and his ambassadors and endeavouring to subvert church order. The civil court condemned him to death and, with Calvin's consent, he was beheaded on 26 July.[44]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Calvin

I went back and re-read these paragraphs taken from wiki, and replaced the name "Calvin" with "Jesus". For some reason, I can't see Jesus approving of murders. But, maybe I'm wrong.

"I support the Declaration of Independence and I interpret the Constitution."

How many thousands did Calvin

personally put to death?

While I agree, there was delusion going on with both sides, I also believe there are martyrs for Christ.

Again I ask, what about the Waldenses?

Calvin was merely one of many reformers and even the refomers never went the full way. We need a real reformation, not one surrounded by old Romanism. They were not perfect, but "overall" the reformers did not perpetuate an entire system of over-bearing tyranny.

The rabbit hole is deep

Thanks YumYum, that is very interesting stuff. I think that the vast majority of the people are inherently good and well meaning and it is sad to see that they are frequently misled and deceived by religion.

One thing that I found encouraging is that in another post in this thread; Mike Lawson mentioned that usury is discouraged by Christianity (I'm not sure of the details). I've read that religions are reluctant to discuss political issues (tax laws) but I don't see how they can avoid talking about morality even if the conclusion is politically charged.

For example, I think we can all agree that killing is wrong (unless, clearly, self defense is at stake) and what we did in Iraq is wrong and sinful as our self defense was not at stake, in fact the WMD charges were bogus.

Where were the ministers and others who supposedly help lead the flock? Why was there no righteous indignation?

END the FED before it ENDS US

The whole Church/Religion system if flawed

Christ didn't come to start a religion or the b.s. that goes along with religion. We were left with God's Word and the very simple directions that are contained within God's Word. The requirements, restrictions, and man made hooplah was placed on the people by the very churches and religion that man put together. We were warned...by the very Word of God that I spoke of, yet most don't see it. The Bible clearly tells us that when the "Beasts" are spoken of, they are not big mangy animals some people picture, rather they are systems of government and man made religion. But of course nobody wants to believe that their church/religion is a Beast, just like you can't get 99% of Americans to believe that America could possibly play any harsh/evil roll in the final chapters of this earth. Never mind the wars and death we have brought upon the whole earth and the lies and deception that allowed the government (read Beast) to carry out the murders of untold millions.

Rather we spend our times singing "God Bless America" and pretending that we somehow bring "freedom" and "Liberty" to the very lands and people we destroy. If that isn't deception and the actions of a Beast..I don't know what is.

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hi dale, the powers that "were"...

in the 1920's and 30's instituted, through hitler, what they thought was their final solution...it failed!

these very same forces are now in control of the military machine of the 21st century and are again trying to rule the world with their order

the same kind of people who saved the world the last time will do it again

prepare for that

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!

Defeat CORKER! Bailed out the banks. In training to steal more.
Defeat ALEXANDER! Career traitor! Handsomely rich in a poor Nation.

Good stuff indeed...

Wow, great comments DaleinAdaOklahoma, thanks for the wisdom, I learned a lot.

END the FED before it ENDS US

Quite a difference..

Calvinist worship God and supposedly try to live a Christ like existence while on earth. Calvinist aren't led by one all powerful man in a funny hat who claims to be God on Earth. Calvinist pray directly to and have a personal relationship with God that isn't dependent upon the church or the little funny hat man.

Perhaps you can see the difference between the two...and perhaps you don't want to see the difference. Either way it is very obvious that a few people, who are virtual nobodies in the every day lives of Americans are quite different than the supposed infallible and undeniable leader of a system calling for world government and world banks.

Why do you feel so strongly

about something you know so little of?

You lose your credibility this way.

Why do you

slander his statement without providing any facts to counter the claims he just made? You lose your credibility this way.

"The sinews of war are infinite money" ~ Marcus Tullius Cicero

Are you sincere in your request for facts?

Is it slander to dismiss someone who insinuates that Catholics are "...led by one all powerful man in a funny hat who claims to be God on Earth?"

There is only one person whom I can think of that is related to Christianity in any way to whom that statement could apply. That man is Jesus Christ. His "funny hat" is a crown of thorns and I doubt He is whom Dale was referring to, though Dale WAS unwittingly spot on in describing Catholics.

The Pope is a mere representative of Christ and the successor of St. Peter who was the head of the Apostles. The same St. Peter who denied Christ three times and yet was forgiven and given the keys of the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 16:18

www.drbo.org/chapter/47016.htm

As for the allegation that the Pope is the "leader of a system calling for world government and world banks," this is unsubstantiated by anything that I have seen posted so far. Which system are we talking about? The system that has infiltrated the Church and seeks to destroy it from within? But my sense is that Dale thinks that the Catholic Church itself is this evil empire that wants to enslave us under a global tyranny and institutionalized usury.

We are reading these articles from the MSM about a silly document that was put out by some bureau of the Vatican that is filled with heretical ideas that have long been condemned by the Catholic Church. Based on this "evidence," what could possibly go wrong with denouncing a 2000+ year old Church whose founder claimed to be God Himself?

I will make time this weekend to post relevant Church documents that assert the importance of private property, fair markets, sound money, local government, etc., if asked.

Or anyone could do the search themselves (please do, as I have a very busy weekend) if they look with the realization that the most powerful evil influences seek to misrepresent and demonize that which is their greatest threat.

May God guide us all.

I hate to break it to you..

but Christ doesn't need an earthly representative, nor is it Biblical to say that the Pope is supposedly just that. It is simply another teaching of man...one of the many that make up the Roman Doctrine. So to me your arguments, accusations, and name calling are simply another deceived Roman Catholic who takes the teachings and ways of man over the Word of God. I notice you didn't care to refute my "accusations" that in the Roman Catholic system there is a need to call the leaders "Father", when Christ himself said to call no one Father, for there is one Father and He is in Heaven above. I notice also that you don't refute that the Roman Catholic system requires you to ask forgiveness from the supposed "Fathers" of said system, instead of going directly to The Big Man Himself. Also, very non Biblical. But then Roman Catholics see the Bible as full of contradictions that require the church to figure it out and teach you the way.

And what about the Popes recent decision that all other churches are false and the ONLY way to Salvation was through the Roman Catholic church? I didn't catch that anywhere in my Bible either...

So continue with your blinders..don't actually speak about the points I made, just call names and call people ignorant. You can bring forth all the church documents you want that speak of property rights and what other issues you speak of...that doesn't have anything to do with what I am talking about. So yes I agree...The Anti-Christ himself might just somehow believe in property rights...good for him.