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Herman Cain is Plastic

Maybe I'm late to the game, but I realize that Herman Cain is disingenuous for exactly the reason he said he's the best candidate. He says time and again that he's not a professional politician. Sure he has been a Presidential candidate before, and sure he ran for Senate. Having run and lost, does that make you an unprofessional politician?

But the truth is that he was the a Federal Reserve Bank Chairman in Kansas City! I don't just believe that it makes him a professional politician; I think it makes him a major part of the worst part of a terrible machine.

(Update: I changed the language, because it sounded like I think Cain is a bad person. I don't think he's a bad person, just a bad candidate.)

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Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.

If Herman Cain ran for Senate and lost....

then how does he magically pop in to run for President>???? where does he get the campaign financing, support, who even knew him at the beginning of this year... i sure as hell didnt..

the fed has tried to pull all of the black puppets it can out of the closet to pretend it represents "diversity"...

I wish I could give a speech to congress.. id let em have it

A true flower can not blossom without sunlight and a true man can not live without love.

I think

that's what Cain said was his meaning for running for President in 2000. He wanted to get his message out there.

You make a great point. Barack Obama was a nobody who had practically no political experience. So did that make him a good candidate?

I would be nervous about saying that the Fed is trying to demonstrate their diversity by planting someone on their behalf. It could very well be true, but without proof, it just makes us sound like conspiracy theorists. (-:

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conspiracy theory is just a term used to disincentivize private

research... it doesnt take proof to find motive, I just like to throw out ideas like this one so other people can develop more research from there.

the MSM sure does a good job in turning us against our research by equating private research with conclusory statements in a way to keep people from developing presumptions over a particular pattern in history.

I'm glad you voice your opinion.. we need more of us to speak about our observations rather than becoming scared over some symbol created to inhibit our research

A true flower can not blossom without sunlight and a true man can not live without love.

Yeah

I think of government the way I think of the devil. It's the ultimate opportunist. If there is anything it can do to expand its power over us, it will always do it. The only final recourse we have against the government is the simple fact that once it grows past a certain point, the production of the people is insufficient to sustain the government parasite.

I don't assume that there is anything that government will not do to gain power. They will steal, murder, whore, slander, faction, whimper, weasel, sneak, and anything else that they can. It's conspiracy theory that lets us keep one step ahead of the government, and so I support being suspicious of the government.

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.

Don't you think he's a kind of plant?

I posted this earlier - perhaps Controlled Opposition?
http://www.dailypaul.com/184893/controlled-opposition

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

HAHA

I agree with you, even if it's not a completely "planned" implantation of a candidate.

I laugh because when you asked if he's a kind of plant, the first thing that entered my brain was, "a plant like...cane?"

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.

Mr. Cain Is Supported By And Represents The Dreaded FED !

Mr. Bernanke endorsed him, isn't that proof enough?

A simple question;
Do we want more inflation and banking croneyism, or do we want a Constitutional monetary system?

Hint, a Constitutional monetary system "Prevented" run away inflation from about 1792-1929.

Ron Paul 2012 !

beesting

Cain is there to scare everyone to vote Romney

He's trying to scare the Republican faithful, that's the plan.

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RON PAUL 2012

I think so

And I think that the main solution is to promote Paul so that he can fill the vacuum when Cain falls.

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.

Domestic monetary policy is screwed up, Paul's the chair

Does that make Paul a fraud?

No. Because Paul is trying to fix the domestic monetary policy.

So why are people so quick to judge Cain simply for working for the Fed?

Here's what Cain did at the Fed...first a little background...

There are 12 regional Federal Reserve Banks. Each has a nine-member board of directors, composed of three commercial bankers (Class A, in Fed jargon), three people from nonbanking sectors of the economy (Class B), and three captains of industry from the region (Class C). Cain was Class C. In 1992, he joined the board of directors at the Kansas City branch of the Federal Reserve. In 1994, he was chosen to chair the board.

What does the board of directors actually do? Every month that Cain was there, board members would meet, talk through the economic developments and data in their areas, and offer some advice. Fed economists would listen. The research would be taken up to Kansas City Fed President Tom Hoenig, who could use it however he deigned to use it.

What’s their single biggest contribution? They recommend the discount rate, or what the Fed charges for loans. “But that,” says Medley, “has to be approved by the board of governors.”

That means that Cain’s role was chiefly as a charismatic guy who ran meetings well and corralled good advice.

Cain isn't an economist, nor really understands it...though Cain is a sharp cookie (math major, business achievements, etc.).

He just applied to the Fed to make his resume look better and give advice to the government from a business point of view. Then he was appointed chair because they knew he could run the meetings better.

At best, an opportunitist with communication skills. At worst, a sell out.

But he's not a diabolical financial ring leader.

Cain is a great face man, but Cain's fault as a President is his ignorance and the lack of compassion for the nation that led to that ignorance.

To woo the people around him, he had to ignore the issues that would make him unpopular. Instead, he wooed people with non-issue talk and went with the flow on group-approved issues. That's not the kind of leader we need.

I'd love to see a question like "In you past experience, explain how you handled figthing for unpopular ideas."

Cuz, when pressed by the other candidates about 999, Cain falls back on "You just don't understand the facts." and "You are comparing apples to oranges." instead of pushing the details of his plan. The fact is that he is not used to pushing details. He's a make you feel warm and fuzzy...thus, you vote for him for prom king.

Two differences

Cain endorsed Greenspan and was endorsed by Bernanke. Cain says he doesn't want to end the Fed, he wants to fix it. Cain was part of the illegal system.

Ron Paul is the chairman of the Subcommittee on Domestic Monetary Policy and Technology. Congress has the purse, as per the constitution. This is exactly a valid and legal subcommittee.

But, I have changed the name of the forum. It now says "fake" instead of "fraud". What I'm considering fraudulent is that he calls himself a political outsider, but he has a significant political background.

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.

may i suggest "plastic"

in keeping with the campaign ad? it so galls me now when somebody walks in from the blue and think they should be President. Vote for me. Who are you? never mind, that's not important. Damn.

"If you want something you've never had before, you have to do something you've never done before." Debra Medina

YES

That is much better than either "fake" or "fraud"! Thanks

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What if?

What if we had a national sales tax? What if there was a central computer system that could track all sales to enforce this tax? What if your social security number was tied into that central computer system? What if that list of purchases could be monitored by a national security or national health care agency? What if that central computer system had a program designed to track certain sales? What if laws are passed in the future that require certain products to be confiscated? What if we lost our freedoms and never noticed it until it was too late?

I'm pretty sure he only ran

I'm pretty sure he only ran for president to sell his book.

Book or

At this pace, I think he might get a spot on The Smoking Gun's shows

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.

Federal Reserve Chairman Cain is nothing more

than a corporate hustler, who was groomed by the Illuminist's of Pillsbury to use his race as a tool. His is very similar to Obummer, though Cain was groomed for Corporate Fascism and Barry was groomed in Communism. Affirmative action and his fast talking hustle, allowed Cain to advance in the corporate world. Like Obummer, Cain, when pressed on issues, really lacks legitimate answers, but has the street smarts to BS his way.through. However, at least Obummer had some political experience, where Cain has none. Cain is more closely in line with Alan Keyes, rather than real conservatives in Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams. All Cain continues to promote is 999 jobs jobs jobs, and Israel is number one, but has no actual substance, but a two bit hustle.

I disagree about Keyes

Having been to a few Alan Keyes rallies throughout the years, I can remember that we weren't chanting "Nine-Nine-Nine", we were chanting, "No More Taxes"

Keyes has run for office many times and never won, like Cain, but their ideologies are a stark contrast.

I will say that I don't agree with all of what Keyes stands for. In the past, he has supported something like a mini cap-and-trade, but it was in a passing comment. Each time he has been pressed on controversial issues, he's turned toward choosing liberty. In other words, his bias is toward liberty.

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.

Enlighten Me

I don't remember Herman Cain ever being a presidential candidate before now.

-m.

-Michael
(I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken)

Some background

I remember seeing him and Alan Keyes and thinking it was such a stark contrast between the two. Not to come across as racist, but the difference couldn't be clearer. One was a black statist, and the other was a black libertarian.

Here's the Wikipedia page with a quick rundown of his political history and involvement in politics:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_cain

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.

cain is not in it to win but endorse romney & 999 energy

cain was never in it to win, so rp should stop viewing him as a competitor. he has no campaign infrastructure and is out signing books in non-primary states. he is in it only to give romney endorsement as he has maxed on his popularity. there is something in the 999 that triggers something in people so that they become blind to him like no backlash on smoking viral ad and flip flop on abortion and comments that damage gop by saying occupy wall st are jealous people that are lazy.

thoughts on why tea party gives him a pass even as he was fed chairman of kansas when so many gop have doubts about the fed? of course, being fed chair instantly means you are an insider, yet the media blocks this info out and focuses on godfather, when ceo of pizza delivery chain is not relevant to running a country.

bd

The Cain Train is about to

The Cain Train is about to get Paul Mauled

I've heard a couple people say

that the title is mean. I don't mean to say that Cain is an evil person. I just mean that he's claiming to be something that he's not, an outsider.

Would it be better if I said something like "Herman Cain is a Fake"?

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.

Fed chairman Herman Cain

Update his name. It's "Federal Reserve Chairman Herman Cain".

Right.

I'll quit calling him "Peewee Herman Cain". That's disrespectful of me. You're right. I should call him by his full title, Federal Reserve Chairman Herman Cain.

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.

DC 'Outsiders' who become President usually get their heads

handed to them on a silver platter by Congress and end up only serving one term. I'd put Carter, Bush Sr., and Obama all in that catagory. Same with Romney and Cain. Too little experience with political cutt-throats like Congress is dangerous to your career. Even experience is no guarantee: LBJ and Nixon. Reagan and Clinton were unique—they could woo a rabid dog into backing them against Congress. Cain, Perry and Romney have no agenda or vision to fight for. See how long their charm, looks, or wit holds up as President. Right Obama? LOL

In Washington, DC, EveryBody's a CEO!

I don't think any of this bunch has thick enough skin to be President except Paul and Gingrich. And why Gingrich is even running, beats me. Tired of making videos, writing novels, hearing himself talk? Dunno.

"If you want something you've never had before, you have to do something you've never done before." Debra Medina

Ford

You know, I wonder if that's why Ford vetoed so many bills. He was an insider, or more like a shadow, to watch how people get corrupted.

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.