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Young Turks Call Ron Paul A Boldface Liar



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I think that it is fine for

I think that it is fine for individuals to support Turkey and the Turkish people with their donations and contributions (especially after such a devastating earthquake and with Thanksgiving coming up and all), I am just against the idea of our government using our tax dollars in this manner.

Drain the swamp!

Why did they name America's native poultry "Turkey"?

I always thought that was odd.

"I support the Declaration of Independence and I interpret the Constitution."

No kiddin

Ron Paul has little to do with the scam artists behind that revolving college door, except trying to free the victims/ students from being debt slaves to the too big to fail behemoths.What education? And who really cares? Its a scumbag paradise.All these college bureaucracies are choked with grossly overpaid personnel,stacked with tons of useless research labs,libraries,and auxiliary facilities to maintain them.The whole academia in this country clutches around governments;state budgets,grants,subsidies.It is hinged largely on an expired 20 Century business model and delivers very little to the real world.
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I think the word you might be looking for

is "bald-faced" (also, less commonly "bare-faced") lie, not boldface... Boldface refers to fonts, not lies.

It makes me cringe just

It makes me cringe just listening to what they say. Talk about bold faced lies...

Evidence student loans cause inflation

Inflation is the increase in monetary base. If a student loan is created from thin air, and it is, it cause the inflation. Just like home mortgages, the new money created is put directly into one market. In that case it was houses and when the bubble busted the price went down.
New money is created, inflation, to make a student loan and put directly into one market...colleges. The inflation is targeted into a single source and that is why college prices go up at rates that are double of the rest of the CPI.

What is the increase in college prices, 12-20%
What is the CPI....2.3%

Just like the leveraged tech bubble of the nineties. Just like the S&L bubble of the eighties.

Heck, back in 1920 the fed was creating new money and credit and leveraging stocks on Wall Street.....all that inflation targeted into one thing, stocks. The prices of stock went up but their value did not, the result was the bubble burst.

What causes college prices to rise at higher rates than other goods and services.....targeted inflation from creating credit from thin air and injecting into colleges.

true, plus

by injecting all that money into student loans, you increase demand tremendously for those services, while the College's capital base has not increased sufficiently to increase supply accordingly.

Basically, you have a huge pool of students who otherwise would not have been students, due to cost, while the necessary expansion of college services has not happened.

Contrast this with a free market version of this issue:
Fewer people could afford to go to College. (This is where most people say "Oh that's terrible"). So demand is low, and thus prices must fall in order to fill seats in lecture rooms. The College's inevitably want to earn more money, like any private business does, and so explore ways to bring new students in. From their view, it is obvious that costs are still too high, so they explore ways to make their college more efficient, and thus drop student costs even further. If they are unsuccessful or reluctant in this effort, it will become obvious to potential investors/entrepreneurs that, looking out at all the potential students who are currently unable to afford college, there is a good profit-earning potential. The question for these entrepreneurs is: How do we make quality College classes available and affordable to these students? The answer lies in creating a more efficient model for College, than currently exists. For a current example, Internet College classes could well be the answer. You can charge much lower fees, service more students, and potentially teach all over the world. There is no limit (potentially) to how many seats would be (and are) available in an internet classroom.

As we all well know, people who still believe government is the only answer (or even the right answer), are unfortunately missing the point.

"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" - Patrick Henry

The Toung Turks Need to go to University

Simply Supply and demand. You increase the demand with government mandated student loans you by defacto raise the price.

She explains Paul's position on this much better than Ron Paul

Wow. I was very impressed with liberty girl's arguments - bam, bam, bam. In the first minute and a half of this video. I wish Ron Paul were half as focused when asked about his position. He should view this video and learn from liberty girl how to explain things better so people can understand him.

this could solve things

ok i came across this video a few months back its good for this subject if people are wondering

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpZtX32sKVE

"All matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. We are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death. Life is a dream and we are the imaginations of ourselves. "

Bill Hicks

College price inflation

I guess it's just ironic we see price inflation in the areas that government subsadizes, like housing, medical, and college tuition. It's called supply and demand, a strange concept to be sure.

Im sorry, how do these kids not understand basic economics?

I find it interesting that

I find it interesting that you mention this.

RP does a disservice by boiling down inflated tuition to government loans. There are so many factors.

The primary one is that while the supply of colleges, especially good ones, has stayed constant, demand has exploded. A college degree is practically an economic necessity.

Think about it this way...Harvard could charge 100,000 a year and still probably have a full class of exceptionally bright students.

The worst state schools are turning people away in droves...if post-secondary education was totally free market and for-profit, what would pricing be like?

Does anyone really think that a student wouldn't go to college if his interest rate was just approx 3% higher? Especially since historically, student loans have been free money for banks since they have a low default rate (this would drive down rates). If anything, that is what schools know, that students will pay a lot to go to school, and will go wherever they can to get to get the money. The fact that students can access the discount window is making few students change their mind.

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

I do not think a student would get a loan

I do not think a student would get a loan if the government was not involved. If they did, it would be 20-25% interest.

Obviously, it is ALL guess

Obviously, it is ALL guess work.

But private interest rates for student loans now are generally 2% higher than the rate the government gives.

You could argue that federal interventionism in the market has caused low rates overall.

But, before 2010, before jobs became scarce, student loans were paid back with a very high frequency. Federal student loans over 99% were paid back in full, and over 98% had no problems making payments after the first six months. When banks see that kind of return, they will be more likely to make money available for student loans, and rates will come down heavily. If you think about it, is a much safer investment than a business. Also, as I have mentioned before, the banks were buying into the economic hype of the Clinton and Bush years. Everyone was spending and investing money...it was not done rationally. The fed did help inflate that attitude, but that attitude is their non-the-less. Everyone was buying into anything they could.

Another way to think about it; if the rate was 20%, that means that banks would see, for a 9-year investment, 200+% profit, which is insane. Someone would undercut them, considering they had a 98% non-default rate. Unless they all act in cahoots to prevent access to those funds.

In our current recession, you may have somewhat of a point, with a full payback rate of only 92%, and with over 30% of students having problems making payments. But I don't think it would cause too much of a rise in rates, since businesses are doing even worse (and its all relative over where the banks want to put their money).

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

The Young Turks...

The Young Turks only know a tiny fraction of what they think they know. I find them quite annoying, and it seems they are simply about dumbing down their dumb audience.

Resist the temptation to feed the trolls.

Young Turks - Armenian genocide

Wasn't the political party that carried out the genocide known as the Young Turks? Nice name for them to pick for their little show.

yes it was

do you happen to be armenian? I am, imagine the benefit of getting the armenian genocide recognized in America if RP was president, he would undoubtedly break ties with turkey since US has bases there, and the political pressure to keep the long lost genocide suppressed will come to an end, and provide justice to all Armenian diaspora who are here in the US some directly and some indirectly as a consequence of the armenian genocide.

Ron Paul will recognize real history

not the phony version of history that everyone is conditioned to believe. I am not Armenian, but I have read about and seen a documentary about the massacres. It is disgusting to name a channel or show 'The Young Turks', would be like naming it 'The Nazis','The Maoists','The Stalinists','The US Government', an insult to the millions of people whose relatives were murdered by those groups.

My response

I will DEFINITELY be making a video response addressing each one of TYT's criticisms and striking them down.

Atta girl

May I suggest one topic.

Where does the money come from......what is loaned out ?
Was it pensions that invest ? NO
Was it savings deposits ? No

Where did the money come from that was loaned out for college ? Thin air

Where did this money from thin air gets its value ? From stealing value from all of us who worked hard for our money.

I would love to hear how the establishment deals with this, it is my experience they simply walk away.

The money that was loaned was created from thin air, the result was price inflation for all who hold dollars.

Does any of the value stolen during the inflation ever get paid back to the people who lost value ? NO

Is money from thin air moral ?
Is loaning money from thin air a moral hazard ?

To me, this is the most powerful of all arguments against these loans.

sniff sniff

Been smelling infiltration for quite a while now,but lets stay positive and keep pushing the message.We cant and wont back down.We who truly understand the message know whats at stake.Love you Ron Paull supporters.

My response to the Young Turks

That girl better be happy that most guys like stupid chicks

she ask if you have solid evidence that government loans cause inflation. My answer is the law of supply and demand. Because of student loans all high school graduates can now afford collage irregardless of the cost. and since the government schools have told these students for years that if you go to college you will be wealthy , healthy, and happy there is a huge demand for college, that can only be met with student loans. Since most high school graduates want to go to college and they can pay any price, that means the supply has gone down, therefore the price goes up.

Is it possible to repost the

Is it possible to repost the vid so we can add credible comments?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5B3H71rGTE
^ The Young Turks

They have been deleting/flagging all the comments that refute their arguments, though.

Here is the original from my channel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFxXxbFkVF8

nice job! and ...

since the female 'host' talks about others not getting their facts correct, if you do make a video replying to what is being said, you might want to add, Ron Paul does not want to cut DEFENSE spending, as the host of the video claims. He wants to cut military spending, big difference.

TYT is flagging all the

TYT is flagging all the anti-federal loans comments as spam... lol

Yep

They also removed the two top comments that were critical of TYT.

On the rare occasion that I happen to agree with TYT, they still manage to make some of the worst arguments possible. Their audience isn't any better.

A signature used to be here!

Title should be: Ana Kasparian Ignorant on Fed Student Loans

The government does steal money from other people to pay loans when students don't, that is the whole point of the government backing the loans. If not, why have government involved?

Government subsidies always inflate costs of whatever is being subsidized.

I agree, but the problem is,

I agree, but the problem is, there are consequences when you don't subsidize.

Then, the costs don't go up, but access is limited. When you subsidize, costs go up for everyone, but access goes up. That access has long-term benefits.

A couple of years ago, Schroder was asked how Germany could use taxpayer money to subsidize women who had children. Basically, how he could use taxpayer money to incentivize more having kids. He responded that the country was in a population crisis. Population was going down, the labor force was going down. Since the country was against immigration, especially immigration from places like the ME, China, or India where there are people who are highly skilled, he argued that the policy was needed to maintain the labor force. Everyone benefits from not having too few workers.

My opinion on education, is that the government should subsidize and give student loans, at the taxpayers expense. But only when there is a proven long-term benefit. This country lacks engineers and scientists. We should have policies in place that encourage and subsidize people that go into those fields. The country unquestionably needs these people. It isn't charity, it is mutualism. We don't need more music majors or psychology majors.

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a