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Peter Schiff vs. Cornel West on Anderson Cooper

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cornel west is a very genuine

cornel west is a very genuine guy. schiff has his own aggressive approach and style, but i would have exhibited a lot more love and formed common ground. i would have spoken about linguistics and maybe even enlightenment principles to come to some common ground with west so that the supporters from all sides would come together on common issues rather than be divided by hard principled rhetoric.

Just saw Cornel West on Bill Maher praising Ron Paul tonight!

I just watched "Real Time with Bill Maher" as the panel was discussing the current GOP line-up. Bill started through the list, saving Ron for last, and had to interject the statement...

"...and then there's Ron Paul. You know I love Ron Paul. He's like the coach on 'Cheers'. You know he's a little crazy, but every once in a while he says something true..."

Then Cornel West interrupted with "but Ron Paul has some truths. He stumbles on some truths..." and then goes into at least four points where he backs Ron on his view of America as a declining empire, etc, etc. And there was an Aussie author sitting next to him with his head bobbing up and down in agreement with Bill also agreeing, especially regarding Ron's pointing at America as an over-reaching empire.

Bit by bit, folks, they are alllllllll coming around...;-)

That's Michael Ware

He's the journalist who lived in Iraq since before the war. Debated some pro-war idiot on CNN in spectacular fashion.

He was held at gunpoint and nearly killed by "Al Qaeda in Iraq" members but his Iraqi guides/friends threatened them at got him released.

For him to agree with Ron Paul validates Ron's entire position.

Check out http://ronpaulforums.com for activism and news.

Peter made an ass of himself.

"When you take into consideration all the theft and fraud and market manipulation and other evil shit Wall Street bankers have been guilty of in the last ten-fifteen years, you have to have balls like church bells to trot out a propaganda line that says the protesters are just jealous of their hard-earned money."
Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/owss-bee...

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

On the contrary: Schiff is almost always dead on right

Peter Schiff - on financial, monetary and economic matters - is almost always dead on correct in everything he says.

If you track his predictions over the years and how they have come true - if you check follow links, do your research and check his history - and if you understand the mechanisms of Austrian / true free market economics ..

You will find he is dead on correct.

Also:

Not understanding and supporting Schiff's position on economics and finance, is pretty much NOT supporting Ron Paul's position on economics, monetary policy and finance.

He is one of Dr Pauls economic advisers.

So ... not sure what you are doing here or what your point is on claiming he made "an ass" out of himself on this.

He made an ass out of himself.

Americans are there primarily to protest the masssive corruption in the banking system. Something Peter is well aware. He has made a career by working within the corruption. That is NOT GOOD enough for these Amereicans and I agree with them. Most are not there becuase they are jealous of Peter's f@cking money. That is silly. Peter should do another video where he lays out "market manipulation" "the art of buying politicans", etc. He should explain why that shouldn't be protested by the "99%".

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

Schiff vs West Debate

They should totally do that - West offered.

They should have coffee and cognac, too.

More televised, in depth (not sound byte) debates on these issues will help individuals make up their own minds. Let's get this organized!

I would pay money to be there

I would pay money to be there (to subsidize the cognac)

Peter, you are a turd.

show up in a thousand dollar suit you bought because you figured out how to game a corrupt system and march around a protest of pissed off unemployed Americans with a sign stating you are the 1%. Peter you are a turd. He could have displayed a little more compassion. He looked like a pompous ass.

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

I kind of second that.

Peter is a partially right and partially wrong. I have admired his TV appearances since I have seen him on TV for the first time calling for RE bubble and in 2005 I knew the bubble exist ( I'm in RE for 20 yrs).
But, West has some points right.
Peter should clearly state that the marriage of gov and Wall Str. is the problem. He blames Washington and never clearly states, that this is a marriage from hell.
He wants OWS to move to DC. Nonsense! Only half of them should move there. He acts like its all Washington fault. Nonsense again!
He is great advocate for RP, but he looks like he either has some learning to do or articulate better our fascist state of affairs. The longer I'm listening to him the more I think the learning is the way to go for him. Sorry to say.

On the contrary

Watching a clip hand-picked by Anderson Cooper is not a sufficient source for your objections.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGL-Ex1CD1c&feature=player_pr...

Here is a longer version that more fairly represents his time at OWS. Sure he may come across as pompous at times, but he knows he's right and it's important for the people there to hear his perspective.

Also, does he seem any more self-righteous than any of the people he's arguing with? I for one don't think so. The truth hurts sometimes.

Peter knows exactly what they are protesting.

"When you take into consideration all the theft and fraud and market manipulation and other evil shit Wall Street bankers have been guilty of in the last ten-fifteen years, you have to have balls like church bells to trot out a propaganda line that says the protesters are just jealous of their hard-earned money."

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/owss-bee...

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

Schiff did more harm than

Schiff did more harm than good. He could have been more sympathetic than asking the Occupy protesters if they want to join the 1%. He could have spent more time educating Dr. West on why the Fed and its inflationary policies are causing the problems Dr. West is concerned about. Rambling on about "free markets" and "capitalism" -- as if we had such institutions -- did not help at all. Ron Paul should definitely distance himself from Schiff.

Amen.

The problem with what Schiff, whom I generally like, is that he persists in using words like "free markets" and "capitalism" for which the other party has entirely different definitions, without trying to resolve that HUGE problem. This gives legitimacy to the other loon's nonsense and it is like watching to dumbsh!ts box each other's brains out.

Mr. West sounds like a dummy for econ

You should call reinfocement from department of economics, professor!
Love to see Noble prize winner vs. Austrian, not you!

The one thing we have no

The one thing we have no control over is human nature. This why the levers of power must be safeguarded against corruption.

"In questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution" — Thomas Jefferson

The government is a big stick. It is only as good as those that wield it.

"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that." — Alan Greenspan

The chicken or the egg

It is such a difficult thing to make liberals see what came first. Just like the 1920s, they don't see the man behind the curtain... The Fed. How do they think the 20s were so roaring? There has to be a catalyst. They will never see the truth.

They will never see then truth. Partly because...

... they do not have correct definitions and hence have incorrect concepts. This is partly our fault, at least to the extent that we do what Schiff does here, and fail to recognize that his use of a word and their use of a word point to DIFFERENT THINGS, and resolve that. And that may or may not be possible, because ...

... partly because they are unwilling to hear the truth.

Notice how the woman could not provide ANY answer to his questions. If one considers doing something over and again expecting different results, she is the personification of INSANITY!

Peter has figured out how to profit from a corrupt system.

Good for him. I'm not satisfied with making a corrupt system, that ultimately serves a fraction of humanity, work. Our banking and political system is CORRUPT. Ron Paul will NOT get the nomination and he will run third party because the system is bought. This will make winning the Presidency nearly impossible. I know it, you know it, and the people at Occupy know it. It's a corrupt system, so I don't give a damn if you have "worked hard" and played the good slave. I'm no longer in the mood to play along with the corruption and it seems I'm not alone. If you are comfortable serving your masters, fine, step aside and let the rest of us fix the corruption. Occupy is a physical manifestion of the anger felt by the American people. Demonizing these Americans and falsely labeling them/us "commies", "socialist", etc is despicable and reflects a deep ignorance.

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

What are you talking about?

Peter makes money by helping others make money by betting AGAINST the corrupt system.

He's betting AGAINST the Federal Reserve and the U.S. government, which is why he's so successful.

good for Peter. He is using the corrupt system.

Now we would like to take it down and fix it. Peter will have to find something else to do.

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

Peter is wrong about child

Peter is wrong about child labor and the five day work week. The labor movement pushed those policies along. Otherwise, Peter is mostly correct. West did better than I expected.

You may want to check this

You may want to check this video out regarding child labor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-LJ3wZjD4I&feature=player_em...

He talks about child labor around 12:00

malo periculosam libertatem quam quietum servitium

I am an aristocrat. I love liberty; I hate equality. - John Randolph of Roanoke

Think about it in terms

of poor countries where very young children have to work to help support their families. The families make so little income that having their 6 year old children is required to keep them from starving.

If some do-gooders came in and enforced child labor laws, it wouldn't help those families to survive. It would decrease the already small amount of income that the family has, and make it even harder to support their children.

The only way these families can afford the luxury of not sending their children to work is by raising their incomes and their standards of living, which can't be done by passing any laws.

I've heard stories about people from America interfering in third world nations by trying to enforce child labor laws, and it backfired because many of the children ended up going into illicit child prostitution rings. I hope we can all agree that as bad as low-wage child labor is, it is infinitely better than child prostitution.

For most of human history, poverty and suffering was an inescapable fact of life. Only relatively recently, with freedom, hard work, and technological innovation, have humans been able to overcome those hardships and allowed their children to be freed of the burden of child labor.

Child prostitiution rings

"many of the children ended up going into illicit child prostitution rings"

Yeah...as opposed to all of those legitimate child prostitution rings.

Yes, but we're not a third world country....yet

If you believe that we should have children working in this country, especially during a financial crisis, what would happen to the jobs of those adults that still have jobs? They would lose them to cheap child labor; more adults would be without jobs. Let's say that in a Free market society where jobs are very scarce, I own a business repairing electrical lines/transformers on telephone poles. I could fire my experienced linemen, and hire kids (kids are the greatest tree-climbers), paying the kids a tenth of what I had been paying. And if a kid gets killed, it's no problem, because I have Workman's comp, and there is an abundance of children to choose from out of a labor pool.

In third world countries where people are starving, yes, children have to work for the families to survive. Is that what we have come to? Are we so desperate as a people that we need to throw young kids into factories and service jobs that are dangerous? Mining jobs? Logging? How about police? Kids would make great policemen.

If that is what some people want, they don't have to worry, because we will be there real soon, given the way things are headed.

"I support the Declaration of Independence and I interpret the Constitution."

I like West. He's totally

I like West. He's totally wrong about most things in this video segment, but he came up in that generation whose experience it was that the federal government did good and necessary things, the long term effects of which are not good and never were necessary. Anyway, I appreciate that he didn't resort to distortion of contrary viewpoints.

Go Schiff!

Notice at the 8min mark West says "you've got to decentralize"

At that moment there is agreement.

Decentralizing is the direction to go.

What then Peter can say is that by sending yet more taxes to Washington, we are CENTRALIZING the power all there.

That then means the biggest corporate pigs will be feeding at the CENTRALIZED government trough.

So again, shrink govt and we will effectively Decentralize the corp control over government and over all of us.

Theres where to find agreement.

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Centralization of power is THE root cause of the problem!

ANY system (including capitalism) that becomes too centralized becomes CORRUPT! There is too much power in the hands of a few. This is what the global elite are striving for. They can't "mangage the globe" if power is distributed.

Ann in Florida

Redistribute the power, not wealth!

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