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Stop talking about Ron Paul running as a third party candidate!

We shouldn't be talking about this for the same reason Ron Paul is not talking about this; even the rumor of a third party candidacy undermines his bid for the GOP nomination.

Why do you think the MSM asks him about this so often? Do you think they are trying to help him? Are they asking Mitt Romney if he is going to run as a third party candidate? Herman Cain? Anyone except Ron Paul?

They WANT him to say that he is thinking about it. They want him to even HINT that he is thinking about it. If he does it will be front page news, and it will be the last free publicity Ron Paul will get this election cycle.

Whether YOU think he has a snowball's chance in Hades of winning as an independent or third party candidate, there is no question that THEY aren't worried about the prospect.

If you think they marginalize and ignore him now, just wait until he is a third party candidate.

Above all they do NOT want him to win the GOP nomination. They don't even want him to be in a two man race for the GOP nomination. If he does, its all over for Them. He doesn't have to win the election (which he WOULD). The cat would be out of the bag. All of the political issues which they have been trying so hard to ignore and suppress would come into mainstream consciousness. People all over the country would be swallowing red pills, slapping themselves on the forehead and saying "Why didn't I see this before?".

Ron Paul is STILL paying a price politically for his campaign on the Libertarian Party ticket in 1988. It is one of the things They continue to use to marginalize him and keep mainstream Republicans from identifying with him.

Even if he COULD win on a third party ticket NO ONE is going to believe that it would be EASIER for him to win that way. The only reason he (or WE) would be contemplating a third party run would be because even WE don't think he is nominable. Why help the political insiders by confirming what they have been saying all along, that he is UNELECTABLE?

Ron has enough challenges to overcome without his core supporters blathering about a third party candidacy.

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You're missing the point. It doesn't matter what Ron Paul does.

The Republicans have no chance of winning the general election unless they get our vote.

We will not endorse their nominee, just like 2008. We'll go third party, again, and Obama will win again, giving us another shot next time in the primaries. Only a GOP incumbent that is not ours stops us from running in the primaries and we will never let that happen.

If they nominate Ron Paul, however, then the united Republicans will win. If they don't, they lose. Romney, Cain, etc are completely unelectable. It's their choice, the onus is on them.

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This is wishful thinking on

This is wishful thinking on the part of the Dems and their left leaning minions in the MSM, like Blitzer, Crowley, etc.

They'd just love it if he'd run third party, this would split the Repub ticket and give Obama his second term.

This is why they keep asking him. IMHO

Keep your eyes on the ball

And also realize that this campaign transcends politics. The other candidates would give anything for our level of steady support. I agree that Paul announcing a 3rd party run would be the last national news story of his career. You think they ignore him now? Even so, Dr. Paul knows what he is doing. Let's support him in the role he's chosen to play. Meanwhile, it wouldn't hurt you to get out and actually learn to canvass rather than moan and beg for a different campaign.

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Talking about this is the same as admitting defeat especially while were ahead in the game. Noone is asking Bachmann, Huntsman, Newt and Cain if they are running 3rd-party. Even his detractors has been asking about it. Let's not fall into this trap.

Running indie would destroy the platform he built...

...and this platform can be used by others -- maybe even his son -- when he is gone. We cannot give up this beachhead in the party and in the culture.

Let's drop it. We have a primary to win.

But if he did...

Gotta change the campaign motto to "Not for sale".

Not until he does.

Let Dr. Paul make the third party call.

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I concur.

Well put.

I disagree. It is one thing

I disagree. It is one thing for Ron to say it on live television. But it is another thing entirely for us to discuss it here at the Daily Paul. Is it ok if I talk about it in my living room? I believe in this campaign. I want Ron Paul to win the nomination. But if he does not, I want him to drive a stake through the heart of the Republican party. And I would hope all of you here would support that. Should Ron talk about it now? Absolutely not. Should we be able to discuss it rationally here at the DP, a forum for all things Paul? Absolutely.

I think the fact that Ron

I think the fact that Ron Paul CAN run as a strong independent candidate speaks volumes about his candidacy.

The old media never talks about Cain or Romney running as independents, because they CAN'T....they don't have the political pull outside of their own party.

So in reality, all the talk about Ron running as an independent isn't so bad...if anything, it's a good sign.

Over a third of all voting Americans are registered independents. The GOP knows that their nominee MUST appeal to the independent, moderate voters in order to beat Obama.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

I agree we are doing well

Let's focus on the GOP right now, we're doing well and Ron Paul has repeatedly said he has no plans for 3rd party run.

RP's own fault for not making this a definite yes or no...or,

even a "Maybe"

He could very, very easily do it in a statement, via Texas Straight Talk, or simply a statement on this ANYWHERE on record.

If he does not, it only invites every MSM interview to end with "huhuhuh hey you gonna run 3rd party?? huhuhuh"

If an interviewer were to still ask him this, he could just say "refer to my statement on such-and-such-date and bam bye-bye interviewer.

If you read my post elsewhere...

you should know, I agree with Ron Paul, DO NOT RULE OUT A THIRD PARTY run. Ron could win EVERY primary and still be denied the nomination. I have suggested that every major third party nominate Ron Paul and run candidates against EVERY GOP incumbent who does not support Ron Paul.

We're at "do or die" time.

Amen Brother

I'm with you on this.

Why let a meaningful campaign die?

Many of us suspect, with good reason, that the GOP will not allow a peace and anti-banking monopoly candidate to win. RP is smart in basking in the attention that is only afforded to a candidate running under the umbrella of two-party tyranny.

If that stops, why should RP allow the GOP to end his candidacy? He is a unique candidate in that his supporters will follow him - the GOP doesn't own him and in fact his association with the GOP is a turn-off to many of us.

Where do the millions of Americans go that want the damned wars and occupations stopped if not RP and with it, half of all our discretionary spending? Who else is there?

He has been consistent and not afraid to take a minority opinion and now the minority opinion is getting louder by the day.

Look at his age, it is now or never as far as the prez - he should not stop at this point and damned the GOP if they won't give him a fair shake.

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still not running as a 3rd party candidate

says Ron Paul on another radio interview today (Jack Heath in NH)



Only morons would care what party a guy or gal ran on over substance.

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I don't think it's that people

care which party he runs on, (I'd vote for him no matter what party he ran on and I'm sure the vast majority of us at the DP would as well), it's the fact that he has said over and over that he does not plan on running third party.

Would he do it as a last resort? Time will tell, but right now he's not and has come out and said that doesn't plan on it.

I agree that Dr. Paul and the r3volution could use a plan B, but again, talking about running third party now (with all the obstacles that entails) isn't doing any good.

Also, just thought of this; isn't it already too late for him to get on the ballot as a third party anyhow?

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I agree somewhat

I don't think approaching the subject is a bad thing necessarily. He has been treated a little better lately even though I know they are still weasels.

I don't believe it is too late or they probably wouldn't be asking him the question.

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Well yeah, just talking about the possibility isn't bad or anything IMO, but when some people act as if it's going to definitely happen or should happen as some sort of symbolic political move...I dunno, makes me feel like people are already giving up.

We all know that the establishment does NOT want Paul nominated, and that no matter how hard his supporters/sympathizers fight or what positions they put themselves in (delegates and such), getting it will be a daunting task to say the least.

That said, I don't think some are looking at a third party run realistically. He would need at least 10 times the donations he has now to even keep his head above water, and the media would *really* black him out. Perot had TONS of money, and we all know what happened with him.

But yeah, I think it already is too late to run as a third party in some states...not too sure on the laws regarding that though, so I could be wrong. I know that both parties have made it extremely difficult for a third party to get a fair shake though.

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We have 3 postings on the FRONT PAGE

that relate to Ron Paul running as a 3rd party candidate. I know we are all desperately awaiting that TIPPING POINT but we cant be tempted by cheap hit pieces.

the GOP

will not nominate Ron Paul. Got it! The system is corrupt. Why do you think thousands of Americans are camping out and protesting around the country? It's CORRUPT. Ron Paul will run third party to keep the discussion going. The GOP leadership despises us. We never had a chance. After you witness this, perhaps you'll understand Occupy a little better. You obviously didn't learn from what happened to the Tea Party.

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“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

Armyfree, you may be right...

No one is saying that the odds are with him.
The MSM and political establishment ARE against him.
If you want to save your money and energy for his hypothetical 3rd party run, well, that's up to you.

But out of respect for the rest us who are busting our butts to get him nominated, please don't make our job harder than it already is by helping the MSM label him as a loser.

Your pessimistic prediction may be correct (it certainly is the most likely), it just isn't appropriate.

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"no plans to do that" was RP's answer to Lou Dobbs'

question about a 3rd party run.

Interview here:

I cannot agree more

The reason the media keeps this idea going is for two reasons:

- They love political theater.
- They want Obama to win.

Totally Agree 100%

All this 3rd party talk is counter productive.

And even if a 3rd party could win, it wouldn't change the 2-party system long term, it would only change the names of the 2 parties. 230 years of history says so...

Actually it doesn't help them

He's denied it sufficiently enough but not so much that they aren't worried. It's good for them to worry because they'll stop some of their antics while they are trying to kiss his ass to keep up the appearance he's "in the friends circle".

Screw them for marginalizing him. If they continue to do so they deserve whatever stress we can cause them.

And the only people it could possibly hurt him with is the friggin neo-cons who aren't going to vote for him anyway. If he did get a vote or two from them he'd have to pull it out like he was pulling a tooth from a 7 year olds mouth.

This will get him more air time and that's what he needs for people to hear his message TO be won over.

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"friggin neo-cons" don't count

There are no "neoconservatives" at the GOP grassroots level. Heck, most of them have never even heard of the term. There are only people who have been fooled by the neoconservative rhetoric.

Neoconservatism is inherently elitist.
The grassroots GOP don't want an American empire, the political insiders want an empire. The grassroots don't want to enrich the Industrial/Military complex, they just want to be safe from the 'Islamo-fascist' hordes that they believe are waiting to sweep across the globe.

Yeah, they are deluded. But we need their votes way more than they need ours.
If you don't think so you are more deluded than they are.

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I don't buy anything you're selling.

So how bout you stop trying to use me as a jumping off spot for YOUR rhetoric.

I've watched DP long enough to smell when somethings afoot.

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