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A Video for 'Friends' of Mitt Romney, LDS Church Urges Mormons to Support Candidates Truly Dedicated to Constitution

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCwRuhBjdoQ

"Men who are wise, good, and honest, who will uphold the Constitution of the United States in the tradition of the Founding Fathers, must be sought for diligently. This is our hope to restore government to its rightful role."

- Ezra Taft Benson, former president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

Members of the Mormon Church should support Ron Paul Paul for President

Remind Mormons that Senate Majority Leader, Harry Reid is Mormon. Therefore, one should never vote based upon religion.

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Although I disagree with the

Although I disagree with the lies being spread below, I do support this video and will be sharing it.

Thanks.

It is pretty ignorant for

It is pretty ignorant for people here to say Mormons aren't Christians.

I mean the official name of the Church is "The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints".

Mormons are Christians.

http://mormon.org/jesus-christ/

You guys are spreading hate/disinformation about the Mormon church like the other GOP candidates claim Ron Paul is an isolationist or wants to ruin our economy.

Shame on you.

In the early 70's, the

Mormon missionaries were taught by Salt Lake City missionary training center to say, in response to the question "Are Mormons Christians", "NO (with emphasis, as in H***, NO!) A missionary I knew was asked the question, and just to be sure, he checked with his Bishop, and the Bishop told him, "Absolutely not."

A few years later I noticed a push coming out of Salt Lake to remake their image so that they would be thought of as Christian by people who didn't know anything about them.

CarrotTop--

I would ask both you and Sierra, who also has never responded when I have asked where the justification for being critical of any other religion (besides whichever religion you claim which permits you to criticze other religions, not just those within any particular religion who commit misdeeds)--

where in the New Testament does Jesus Christ admonish His followers to persecute others who believe in Him? Or those who have any other faith?

And then, though I am quite certain you will not respond (you have not before)--

read this:

Luke 9:49, 50

Those who 'follow not *us*' . . . are many. I am sad when I meet people who profess to know and love Jesus Christ who are so denigrating of anyone who does not belong to *his*/*her* particular faith.

The instances are numerous in the New Testament when Jesus showed his followers that those who were 'not of the covenant' (using the term with quotations, though it is not found that way in the scripures) showed great faith.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

You are absolutely wrong and

You are absolutely wrong and are just spreading lies.

Go ahead and tell a Mormon he isn't Christian and then proceed to tell him about Ron Paul and see how far the conversation goes.

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I've already beaten the dead horse of religious bigotry enough on other threads--

LOL!

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

ha, ha!

fooled myself--*blushing*--

WHERE is the integrity of some on DP? (*laughing at myself*)

If I ever disappear from DP, be it ever known that I campaigned not only for Ron Paul but for the sort of civility he has ALWAYS shown for those who believe differently from himself!

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

this is well-done and encouraging . . .

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to those who believe as Sierra believes, this Christian would admonish: "encourage one another and build each other up" (that's the new translation)--

don't tear down.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

CTR to vote RP

cool.

I Live in Utah

I am not LDS but my wife's entire family is and all of my neighbors and I can say that a lot of them will vote based on religion but I am doing my best everyday to open the minds,

I tell them that I now understand how a missionary feels because I have a very important message for them and that is a message of Liberty.

I have helped sway a lot of people and I do so everyday because I feel they are being lead the wrong way and they do not even know it.

Of Course we can not clump all of LDS together though they are their own individuals some are awake and some are asleep just like everyone else but I trust that the ones that are awake will see just as we do.

I'd vote for Donny Osmond before I'd vote for Romney

Donny lives by what he preaches. He is a good man.

"I support the Declaration of Independence and I interpret the Constitution."

I appreciate your perspective--

thanks for being so awake!

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

The timing with this post is

The timing with this post is crazy. I have a very close friend I have known from the 7th grade who is a mormon.
He is an attorney in Salt Lake. He was saved and came to Know Jesus Christ as his savior. Recently he left the Mormon church. This is no small deal. His family is way up in the Mormon church. Saturday my friend gave me a call and said he was driving in because he wanted to see the Denver Broncos game and See Tim Tebow play.(SHUT UP THAT IS FOR ANOTHER DISCUSSION :)). He told me he left the Church and we had a great discussion. He is a Ron Paul supporter but said that Romney is huge in Salt Lake and there is no reason to even waste your time there. He said the Mormons are brainwashed and they do what the Church tells them to do. He then explained to me How the Mormon church is bought off and paid for. Yes there are some Mormons who vote for Ron Paul but it is not even worth the time to talk to most.

Ok, you had your say on Mormons.

Now here's mine.

As a LDS member who supports Ron Paul, I really take offense with all this "Brainwashed" business concerning us LDS. That we are not "Christians". That we are not "this", we are "that"--All taken from from the mouths former members. Tell me, SIERRAHPBT,how would you feel if I judged your religion based on former disaffected members of your faith? Would you consider that fair and objective? No.

I do not know about your former LDS friend history with the church, but rest assured, a good number of former Mormons
who bear a grudge with the Church do so because they have committed serious sins, morally and legally, and kick against the church as a scapegoat to justify their own bad behavior.

Many justify their faults and sins by nit-picking the Church. I've seen it time and again, and what is funny that most of these people who leave our church just can't leave it alone, but evermore complain.

I am bothered by this private--not church made nor sponsored---video.Though it is well-meaning in promoting Ron Paul, it is wrong for it to infer in the slightest ---by using Church quotes without Church sanction-- that the Church or its members directly or indirectly support Ron Paul. The Church has always held a firm position NOT to support one candidate or party over another. Or to use Church buildings, or media to do so.

SIERRAHPBT, Shame on you for dismissing the entire faith of people as " not even worth the time to talk to most."
You have judged unrighteous judgement. You have no numbers, no poll, no statistics to back up your claim that the majority of LDS will knee-jerk vote for Rommney like "brainwashed" robots. So get the hard facts based on real research next time, instead of just taking the word of one disaffected member.

Conscience does not exist if not exercised

"No matter how cynical you get, it's impossible to keep up!
---Lily Tomlin

I watched the video, and I didn't see where this . . .

individual "Mormon" claimed to represent the entire church.

I saw him doing much the same thing that the military members have done. They don't claim to represent everyone in the military either.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Semper, I am repeating what a

Semper,
I am repeating what a former LDS told me. I did not use the word brainwashed he did. He said that 95% of the Mormon church does what the elders tell them. I do not say this lightly. My friend who is an attorney, graduated from BYU. His family is very high in the Mormon church. To be honest I was totally surprised when he told me he got out. As he says he is an expert on Mormon theology. After studying for years he finally saw where Moromonism was wrong. He finally came to the conclusion that organized religion no matter what faith it is is wrong. True Christianity does not come from a church. It comes from a personal relationship with Jesus himself.
Anyway Sempler.. shame on you for jumping to conclusions. I would be more then happy to get you intouch with my friend.You two can talk it out. Again this guy was inline to be an elder. Just a few years away maybe. He said that maybe 1 in 100,000 turn from the LDS church when they are in his position.
Semper I have always considered you a friend and agree with every post you have written. I am not attacking the LDS church. If I had hated the LDS church I would have never had this person as one of my closest lifelong friends.
I have known him since I was 12 and I'm now 48. All I am doing is repeating exactly what he said. You should talk to him about Huntsman and how the Mormon church was bought off in the early 1900's. All of our churches have been infiltrated. Much like the Republican party. This guy can tell you things that would blow your mind. I thought I knew lots of stuff and he was giving dates, names, amounts etc.

whatever the 'religion' . . .

those who become disaffected for one reason or another (and not all become disaffected because they have behaved in ways that aren't consistent with their religious beliefs; some people simply don't 'belong' in a religion, *I* believe) who 'publish' their disaffection do have a reason for doing so, and it is not always to help others.

If I knew a member of another faith besides my own (and even my own) who had become disaffected I would be careful not to bandy it about so as to make another (any other) religion 'look bad'.

Such behavior shows personal religious insecurity.

Those who are secure within their own faiths have no need to discuss the religious foibles of anyone else's religious beliefs, IF those beliefs are not criminal!

*I* believe that if this man wants to represent his experience for himself, he is free to do that. But to make claims that "all (fill in the blanks: Bhuddists, Catholics, Hindus, Jews, Mormons, Muslims--*whatever kind of* Christian do/think/believe this" is just more of the sort of collectivization which has, in part, caused so much human heartache, such as . . . interminable wars in the middle east against a "Jihad".

Jesus Christ called for no crusades, and He doesn't ask us to defame the beliefs of others now.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

I appreciate your clarification

But my concern is you are passing this man's perspective second-handily as indicative that the church does indeed "brainwash" its members. This one disaffected man's word, and you believe it without talking to active members of the church to hear their side?

If you are correct that this man was in-line to become a "elder", then his insight in the church is restricted. As prospective Elder, he could not possible be privy to the discussions or meetings of Church leadership in person. He would be the equivalent of a drop-out freshmen from collage, claiming to an "expert" of his unfinished major and on college life.

BYU nor the church hands out degrees,certificates or designations in "Mormon Theology". There is no way this man could be considered an certified expert on the subject.

Even less so if he still had not advanced yet to become an Elder as he claimed. That fact he claims "the elders" tell the members "What to do" is indicative of his ignorance of the Church. The Church is not led by Elders, but by a Prophet and twelve Apostles. Local leaders are designed as Stake presidents and Bishops. His lack of proper terminology of Church organization is a red flag right there--Quite a faux pas for a so-called "expert", who should by habit call things by their proper names.

95% of the 13 million plus members do everything what they are told? Where did he pull that number from? Does he have world-wide attendance records of Sunday meetings at his fingertips? Considering that the number of members outside the US exceed the numbers within, that's quite an amazing statement.

And what is it that they are told that is considered brainwashing? I've attended or listened to every major church conference in the last 40 years. Here's what they say: Go to Church. Read the scriptures. Pray often. Live moral lives. Keep your family strong. Be honest in your dealings with your fellow men. Be kind, be charitable, forgiving. Don't smoke, drink, or do illegal drugs. There is nothing in those talks or directives that would raise an eyebrow in any other religion, save for our doctrinal differences.

It is not the doctrine nor the practice of the church to brainwash by coercion anyone, especially in political matters. Anything done by individual members, like those who made the RP video, or Rommney, Reid and others, are not directed by Salt Lake any more than John Kennedy acted in the name of the Vatican.

If your friend has inside information on a political or financial relationship between Jon Huntsman and the LDS Church, he ought to publish it, because I have yet to find anything linking the two. I've seen too many accusations that because a individual who was Mormon was involved in a particular issue, that automatically the Church has supported or sanctioned it. Your friend needs to put his name and reputation on the line in print, open to rebuttal and criticism, to prove his allegations. Otherwise its just hearsay from a disaffected former member.

Conscience does not exist if not exercised

"No matter how cynical you get, it's impossible to keep up!
---Lily Tomlin

Good Points

Also, however, is the question of personality. And my impression of LDS is that it is, like the Catholic church, and many others, very authoritarian in nature.

Rules and bureaucracy, especially micro-management, for libertarians, is often intollerable. However, a libertarian government is often preferred by a very authoritarian church, because, of course, no one wants to compete for authority with the government.

There are plenty of churches without so much regulation of belief and behavior, and thankfully, one can choose one for oneself.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

your friend sounds a bit bitter--

to say that any group of people aren't worth taking the time to talk to is . . .

suspect.

This is very similar to the way some on DP speak of the Muslims. Again.

Sounds typical. Muslims are brainwashed, too, correct? Those who feel disenfranchised (including Muslims and those of any religious body) will often speak out against others of their former faith, but it is wise in those of us who are listening to . . . sift their words.

Some Jews speak out against Zionism, not against their own faith (the Orthodox). There ARE good Jews, good Mormons, good Muslims who can see that there is evil among them . . .

who speak out against that specific evil, not against the people as a whole or the religion.

This is my contradiction to your post. To others on DP, I say, "don't give up on people based upon their religion."

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Well this is the perfect video for them! Odd coincidence...

It's the former president of the church saying that Mormons should support candidates truly dedicated to Constitution. There's only one candidate truly dedicated to the Constitution...

If Ron Paul Wants More of the LDS Votes

If Ron Paul wants more of the LDS votes, I think he needs to make a campaign stop in Utah even though it not one of the early states. If somehow he can speak at BYU campus (since Senator Joe Lieberman did on the 25th of Octobe) then this could help out a lot. There is a lot of LDS Republicans that would vote for Ron Paul but not enough of them because the would vote for Romney just because he is a "Mormon". That shouldn't be the main reason to vote for someone because of he his of the same faith.

Thanks for the post. I just

Thanks for the post. I just commented the other day on another thread that a mormon friend of mine had told me he was voting for Romney just because he's mormon. This should help my pitch for Ron.

I hope the Paul campaign will broadcast this all over Nevada!

If Romney would ever give a straight answer, people would quickly see that he is very much like Obama.

I have often wondered how so many conservatives- especially Mormons- can support a pro-abortion, pro-gun control, pro-amnesty candidate like Romney.

It's time to get the word out!

rp campaign flat out refusal to critique romney

are not crazy at all. i see rp supporters on this site have an obsession with cain and then are now running to newt, etc... and it goes and on. however, they never discuss romney, almost if there is a flat out refusal to target the only rival - Romney.

if rp campaign had competent strategy managers, then all this running around from one candidate to another would not occur, but a focused campaign around being the anti-romney/obama option would have been implemented. now, it is getting late even if there were a strategy manager.

jesse benton is not cutting it. again, he will not do anything about romney - who always has been the one and only rival in gop. but of course he is not shy about throwing millions on perry and cain without even addressing how to take them on as a opponent.

when you have a campaign manager who was quoted in time as having said rp is not interested in being president (which i don't believe is rp's truth), then of course he will not run a campaign that is meant to win, and that leads to a weak or lack of strategy.

to repeat, there appears to a major theme in this campaign to leave romney alone and only mention flip flopping at best, but not to reduce his credibility and electability whatsoever. i think the romney campaign is just loving how the rp campaign is handling romney and are probably laughing hard at this campaign.

phoning from home is good, etc..., but you will get the furthest if there are strategy advisors / managers that are not jesse benton helping rp with debates and strategy. what is the hook to be the anti-obama candidate and how can rp embed that in his debates?

rp supporters will be sorely disappointed next year if they don't pressure rp to take on strategy advisors and run him campaign more similar to how obama and romney run their campaigns and stop this

FLAT OUT REFUSAL to critique Romney.

In fact, I will go as far as to say that at times it appears clearly that Paul is praising and protecting Romney. sound sick? if so, then someone needs to give him feedback directly versus some gatekeepers who do not let any good feedback to him.

bd

tina

Is that you?? Still spewing hatred toward the Ron Paul campaign, I see.

Formerly rprevolutionist

ok, yesterday you were "tina"

posting things about how awful the campaign is. now you are "bec".

Do you ever change to mrJekyll?

I wondered that before.

Good eye on pointing out bec/tina if true. I didn't pay attention.

sometimes :-)

that was funny. LOL

What you don't get is that

What you don't get is that Romney can't win. He will be an easy target for the candidate who can win in a two man race. Romney cannot win over enough of the conservative vote to take the nomination. Newt can. Santorum can. Even Jon Huntsman can. But not Romney. So I believe it is a sound strategy to let Romney simmer for now. Whoever makes it to the top with Romney at the end, wins.