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Talking to Occupy Wall Street and Occupiers

So it's pretty clear to me at this point there's a right way and a wrong way to go about talking to Occupiers.

One way is to barge into an occupation and begin to imply by tone, body language and word that they are all a bunch of simplistic fools who need to get a clue from the great and almighty LIBERTARIAN GOD now.

And that's the way it don't work because all you are doing is being confrontational and all you get is confrontation and hostility in return. Now it's really great attack material for some people to banner around and trumpet on Youtube and say "see I told you these people are idiots" but that isn't COMMUNICATION and that isn't TEACHING. Failing on those two points is utter failure at the activism level for us and the R3VOLUTION. Not to mention failure at the ideological level: enlightened self interest dictates that we want to create friends of free enterprise, not more enemies.


1. A non hostile way to enter an occupation is to do so quietly and begin as an observer. Just walk around and check things out. Engage casually with people and it's OK to say that you just came to check things out. ASK SIMPLE QUESTIONS that indicate interest like "how are you guys doing?" and "are you warm enough?".

2. These people thing very much in terms of community or collectivism so a pizza or two can open some doors. Volunteering as a medic and actually integrating into their occupations is how you actually become "recognized" in these "assemblies" and their committees and caucuses. They recognize SERVING HUMAN NEED. They respect giving.

3. Learn their lexicon. Ask questions until you understand what's going on. Each occupation is different but they all seem to be driven by the old "consensus system of de-centralized authority" which comes right out of the hippy agrarian commune model. All major decisions including the mission of the assembly are decided by all "recognized" members. Any member can propose a course of action, discussion takes place, the dialog is brought to the point of decision and all recognized members of that assembly can give assent, they can asbstain or they can block consensus. The assembly has no power to overcome a block from a recognized member so that proposal is not supported by the assembly. It's designed so that nobody gets left out in the cold. It's a model that seeks to protect the individual's concerns from the group. It's cumbersome as all getout but it actually works, given time and a good group. It's never been applied at this scale and in such an open manner when nobody is pre-screened so this is all pretty interesting.

4. Gain recognition and we get to talk one on one. Gain recognition and we get to address assemblies as one of their own. There are some of us doing this now. And drop the cameras. Don't document, participate.

5. There's alternatives if this is repugnant to you. We can be visibly political but they are trying to stay away from endorsements of political candidates. A more respectful position is dropping RP and going with the freedom message. If you don't want to drop RP, then you are there to "show solidarity" or "show support for OWS". A really good one is that you as an RP supporter "just want to resonate the message of OWS TO LIBERTARIANS". Sneaky eh? You aren't RP trying to infiltrate OWS, you are RP trying to infiltrate RP with OWS.

Yeah, I'm a bit sneaky and no, I won't apologize.

6. Want to continue on the direct route? Let's talk about something that concerns them immediately. Talk about the Constitution and HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO PROTECT THEM RIGHT THERE AND THEN. The rights to assemble and to petition. The rights to speedy and fair trial. The right to be free of cruel and un-usual punishment. The rights to due process under law. That's a great entry on where their rights derive from.

Conclusion: All we gotta do is set the hook. All we gotta do is be the gateway drug. And all we gotta do to do that is be of service to these people in thought and word and deed to have any positive effect. These words aren't to convince anyone of anything, it's just a couple road maps on how to communicate and educate. This is a diplomatic challenge of scale.

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I'll tell you a secret weapon. How to get totally IN.

You guys think I'm crazy just listen to this. I've done semi-permanent encampment with these people, I've done mobile logistics management, now these kids are doing something pretty new and radical, this is urban encampment.

They are very good at taking care of each other and immediate needs but one thing they and all the business owners around them complain about is they need a place to poop.

I know this is going a long way out but I'm serious. Who do we know that has a bunch or porta-potties? And who else do we know with a lowboy trailer and maybe a tractor?

If we supply mobile sanitation to these kids, we all we have to do is show up and they will come to us. I already got a tagline:


I know what this entails and I'm willing to do it myself, I've cleaned potties, I've done it in relief and disaster situations, I've done worse. Offering somebody else a decent place to take a poop is a real service. And it's nearly as humble a place as you can take in an assembly.

Having performed a service like this, how many people could accuse us of being the 10% and even if so, let's have Peter Schiff in coveralls and handing out hand towels at the exit.

I'm being perfectly serious guys, this is one idea where if we have the equipment and the initiative, we could do this. We just have to be crazy enough. Or humble enough.

Me and us warriors talk about dying for freedom. If you are willing to die, are you willing to put on the rubber gloves and clean up a porta potty for freedom?

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That is too funny!

I just emailed you - had your profile pulled up to do it and checked this thread out. Good post, but this idea and the tag line are hysterical.
They are going to start an encampment here this weekend. I just can't be there full time, but I was considering taking the RV down whenever I go and letting people warm up.
I've been toying with the idea of hosting a table with hot tea and pastry - call it "Tea and 'Py" - where people could have a chat with someone who relates to both sides... lol!

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:

awesome idea. lots of folks that live near Wall Street

have been allowing some activists to use their bathrooms, etc.

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

That is a hilarious idea. I'd

That is a hilarious idea. I'd chip in to help out on this idea... but wouldn't you need permits for this, as opposed to the occupiers?

Oh man, great idea

.... but the tagline is so sad- but true! :P

Jefferson gave us the TRUE corrective...

"I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society, but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is, not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education.
This is the true corrective of abuses of constitutional power."

My (least) favorite anecdote

Ron Paul Rally in D.C. in the summer of 2008. After the rally ended a bunch of us were walking to the nearest Metro stop. A woman sees all the Ron Paul signs coming her way and she politely asks, "Is Ron Paul a liberal or a conservative?"

A couple begins to respond, but they basically get outspoken by a man who walks right up to her and says, "Liberalism is a sin, and Ron Paul is no sinner."

Way to ruin an opportunity.

Ron Paul on Occupy.

“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

Help Occupy with video on Fed Res

in order to really help rp and the protesters, they need to really know about the federal reserve and how it is the core root of the problem.

what the protesters are doing is essentially dangerous by being misguided by obama-soros-liberal media - and that is laying all blame on some blanket "corporations" which will result in nationalization of banks in obama's next term.

joe rogan appears to be good with sophisticated videos. rand paul is very articulate on federal reserve in a way that will get thru to others. is there anyone who can work to put together an approx 15 min clip on fed reserve and that could be sent by rp supporters to protesters?


Bob Schulze did this...


"Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not." (Dr. Seuss)

I saw that, I was alerted to it by Fred Smart

I'm so enthused at this example and what Peter did, he brought his whole Schiffy Pop to the scene, Peter has that beaming face and somehow perfusive 3VOL thing going....that's the example and I'm overwhelmed with joy.

Now that's not to say some of these kids can be as caustic as...well...we can be. And there are certain dangers as some of our more...allow me to put this gently...diplomacy is called for...some of our more pompous and self-righteous and confrontational jerks have found out.

Hey I judge us a lot harder and finer than I do these kids.

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Ya ... But ...

... don'tcha think this approach could be effective:



Thanks for your excellent primer. Superbly constructive.

Really? Down-Voters?

I really wish that people who down vote would also make a reply explaining the irrelevance to Ron Paul's message of Liberty.

Daily Paul moderators and commentators should be the only ones in a position to down-vote. This can decrease the possibility of infiltration, censorship and general discouragement. It could increase progress and inspire inward reflection and critical thought by sparking more debate.

"I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves, be wise as a serpent and harmless as a dove."

great post.

I have been going to Occupy events regularly. I have told them I support Ron Paul's message. I have had many great conversations. The majority of the folks at these events have been very nice people. I even brought my eleven year old son a couple of times.

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

i sent Doug Wead

An email over the occupy audience suggesting Paul show some leadership. That its a great way to get motivated supporters. I also mentioned focusing our attention to the Tea Party moneybomb in an effort to take our hijacked movement back. It will force the hands of tea party folks to examine their positions.

He agreed.

If we could unite these two sides and make Dec 16 another fundraising record it will make top national news headlines and give Ron perfect talking points in the media on Dec 17th... a week before Xmas.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

Thank you for articulating this truth so plainly.

I have been trying to say this since the very beginning. People need to realize the world only offers two directions for the soul to take. Ascension or dissent.

To ascend is to assume control (responsibility, liberty and free will) of your vessel (You). Observe the entire world with only one perception of time... NOW. Now is all that matters and our actions are directly related to our perception of time. Your actions (and inaction) put You in a direction of ascension or dissent. It all comes down to NOW.

If enough of us can come to this epiphany, we won't need to bring the current government down in order to achieve freedom, happiness or peace. All I intend to do is educate and discipline myself so that I can articulate the truths that have been resonating within me. Nobody told me that my influence can help. I am DECIDING that I WILL help (free will). I encourage others to do the same.

I encourage others to encourage others in the direction of ascension (assuming control of the NOW). This Occupy movement is ripe for the picking for souls looking for truth and direction. I have NEVER considered myself a leader and yet this weekend I was in a crowd of occupiers talking about liberty, freedom, education and the perils of dissent. I explained to them that we can make changes for good just by moving in the direction of ascension (via education, cooperation and devotion).

We can gain positions of authority in our local "government" or community and turn it into a local safe-haven of freedom, family and community. I also explained to them that, though I support Ron Paul as a candidate, I'm more concerned about the ISSUES that he represents and therefore, I will not represent his campaign trail with anything more than the cause of Liberty and my "Vote Ron Paul 2012" button attacthed to my jacket. The issues are what drives ALL of us and that is our unifying force. The force of intent.

They (the material dissent masters) have mastered the minds and neutralized the hearts of Mankind all over the world, and it is Your duty to lead them to their own SELF so they can capture the energy of NOW and retrieve their Liberty (free will). Don't try to tell them what to think or what to do, tell them how you are striving to master the language and discipline of ascent (Liberty). And hope that they are inspired to follow. We should be Trailblazing, like Ron Paul.

What needs to be done is simple. We need to recognize that the government that claims to be appointed by and for the People has become an outlet for material and self interest. As soon as this is acknowledged, we can assume all the influence in our own playing field of life and move toward the cause of Liberty for All. The Constitution was not perfect but it was a HUGE step toward reality and ascension. Overwhelm them with your intent.

The bum problem is a recurring menace to ALL local occupations. People are being discouraged that some are only involved for their own material interest. But I say food and community are not material interests. Here in Dayton, we have plenty of food (thanks to donations) and as long as we can maintain a system of rationing, there is enough to go around. Like I said the answer is intent. Overwhelm the world with your good intentions and your movement SHOULD become a beacon of Liberty.

An example where I surprised the hell out of myself is where the guy who was "manning the desk" (and rationing supplies) when he called a girl a bitch because she was digging through the organized supplies in search of a specific granola bar. He chewed her out and called her names and created a high school type of drama within the camp. I cannot recall all that was said but basically everyone jumped on a band wagon and started talking about each other. All I had to do was point out to him, in front of everyone, that he was being blatantly disrespectful to her, and ultimately, the camp and the entire Occupy movement. From there, the issue pretty much solved itself. I was civil in my approach by sneaking up on one of his own bandwagon rants. This in effect disarmed him so he started talking about rationing circumstances. I explained to him that the circumstances are irrelevant and that mutual respect is 100% necessary for all encompassing cooperation within our community. And I also reenforced the importance of his position of rationing by explaining to her (the "bitch") the shortage of individuals actually willing to dedicate enough time and energy to the issue. It was the right words at the right time to ask them both to take responsibility for their own choices (free will). I pointed out the silliness of this discussion that I have never had to but in like this for a positive resolution. We are not children and we CAN be mindful of mutual respect. This guy also had a problem with hippies that he enjoyed sharing amongst his acquaintances. His behavior was shunned and he was encouraged to improve in front of an audience. In the end he refused to apologize to her but acknowledged that he was in the wrong.

I also explained to them that material interest and the lack of discipline are the enemies of REAL success. Our camps cannot accomplish anything if we aren't striving to ascend to a higher level of achievement. Later on, when a group of us were looking for warmth and other activities inside a community tent, I found myself talking a lot. I was able to articulate a truth that resonates. I was talking so much that I was concerned they would consider me vain so I talked (and listened) even more so I could convince them that I am driven by the issues and not by material interest. I don't want to lead, I want to participate in the elevation of moral code in the world. This is what I want to achieve within my movement. I am NOT a leader but I am becoming more and more welcome to the necessity of my attempted guidance.

I have noticed several problems with the General Assembly format so I explained to them how having leaders is OK as long as everyone who follows strives to become and surpass that leader's level of awareness. Leadership is not a contest it is a duty. And so, we are working on teams of action. Not just an action committee, we need teams to take on the City Council on issues like fluoride in the tap water. We need teams to bring awareness to the root cause of the issues via self education and civil disobedience (preferably in a fashion that gives the occupation immunity to repercussions. These aren't my ideas, this is what was discussed by us all. I am inspired by everything I have experienced in my local Occupation. I plan on bringing up the importance of elevating our leaders to further awareness (and influence) for the purpose of trailblazing (which means discovering your true leaders and supporting them with your creativity). Although I have barely spoken his name I have led the horses to water (I love metaphors) and realized that I personally haven't drank enough water myself. My thirst for freedom has not been quenched and so my quest has just begun. I have come to this epiphany quite recently so I have a long way to go when it comes to self discipline but thanks to Ron Paul's message my curiosity has led me to the knowledge necessary for articulating truth and REAL progress. I still strive to be a PROGRESSIVE libertarian and so I am not perfect and yet I'm satisfied. I suspect that this satisfaction is the cure to anxiety and fear.

I wish you all the best of success WITH both your local AND world community. We are ALL Ron Paul.

"I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves, be wise as a serpent and harmless as a dove."