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Ron Paul: Occupy movement is ‘very good, and very risky’

by Mary Stegmeir | Des Moines Register
Nov 1, 2011

Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul said Tuesday that he had mixed feelings about the Occupy Wall Street movement.

“I think it’s both very good, and very risky,” he said in an interview with The Des Moines Register. “I think there are a few that attend these rallies that actually want more government — they want to just tax people more and believe if we just taxed the 1 percent, it could solve all the problems.

“That, to me, is a risky idea.” Paul continued. “But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

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what makes you think people aren't already doing all that

they can.. some of us have work to do and most of our spare time is already spent doing what we can one way or another, if not donating doubling or triple your amount due to guilt. working and converting the masses is grassroots and activism, activism on people who are already activists makes you an armchair.. wth are you doing here, not doing the work you deem so important? we're all already doing what we think are important, without you posting useless crap.. you work with what you have.. the resource is finite. don't assume everybody else's got lazy hands.. cry me a river, seriously.

some here demonized the Americans

participating in Occupy. That is disgusting and I think we have some clarity now. Thanks to Ron Paul.

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

do you even have work

some 5 threads rotating lecture on the ows.. gimmie a fuking break

yeah, I picked up several checks

today, made a deposit, had a cucumber, avocado, tomato bagel sandwich at a cool cafe near the bank, walked home. Tonight I attend my local Occupy event. Thanks for asking. I'm blessed.

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

This is what he does

Armyfree posts the same things over and over again, all the while accusing others of saying things they never said and ignoring anything that conflicts with his propaganda. Supporting OWS and wanting to go educate is one thing, but Armyfree has never once STFU about it and demands everyone do as he does.

When cornered with logic and questions, he just resorts to personal attacks and other Alinsky tactics and refuses to actually debate.

Rather than admit these things, he just goes on to say how people are demonizing OWS and blah blah blah. He has accused me four or five times of calling OWS a "commie plat" when I've never said such a thing, and I've seen him do it to others as well.

I'm convinced he's either a troll, a shill, or just a garden variety pathological liar.

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sweetie, I think you better

call the Ron Paul campaign, because Ron Paul just gave his blessing to Occupy. The only "risk" is being lazy and allowing other groups to shape the solutions.

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

How cute

He has also said that some people at OWS want BIGGER government, something that you have denied at every turn. Why is that, "sweetie"?

You seriously need to stop twisting his words.

Wait, why did you even respond? I thought you didn't read my posts? Didn't you say that yesterday?

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Damn

People geez.. OWS is made up of lots of different political ideologies just as here or anywhere else. If you identify with those people and can convert some then do it. If you think of them as idiots then spend your efforts with someone that is who you identify with. What's the point in all this debate of should we or shouldn't we? Just get people to vote for RP. I don't care what political background someone has, a vote is stil a vote.

Ron Paul is trying to listen

Ron Paul is trying to listen to the people, which is a far cry from any other candidate for president in 2012 ... most assuredly the incumbent.

If reaching out to OWS is so important

then why are proponents of this spending all their time on the DailyPaul trying to convince everyone to do THEIR job of reaching OWS?

If I wanted to reach OWS, I'd be on AlterNet and all other OWS heavy sites instead of engaging in a circular dialogue about "TO HELP OR NOT TO HELP."

It seems more like OWS people are trying to reach out to RP Nation to get us to take our eyes off the prize of getting RP victorious through the GOP primaries and on to the nomination.

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you must have missed the threads

suggesting Occupy was a "commie" plot, etc. That is a disgrace. To demonize the Occupy Movement and the Americans making it happen, on the DP, a Ron Paul Liberty website, was repulsive and I let the world know, post by post. Go Occupy Movement, there are thousands of Ron Paul supporters that respect you and WILL CONTINUE to attend.

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

Isn't that clear

There is no chance that people with average intelligence would do this to reach their goals.

So, either Dailypaul has been occupied and divided by paid trolls, or someone is trying so hard to show how much IQ he has.

Intelligence may play a part,

Intelligence may play a part, but it's really a matter of belief and knowledge. Given good information, more people MAY be attracted to a more Libertarian position, but belief is the big one... People do not give up cherished beliefs easily.

It was a lot more than "seen coming"!

Anybody who thinks Leftist Community Organizer Obama didn't know every detail of this "protest" six-months before it ever happened, I have bridge in Brooklyn to sell to them, cheep!

The banks and the left had this thing planned months in advance, if not years.
They have every single step planned out to the letter, and all they wanted was a bunch of stupid warm bodies to show up there to make it all look like their scheme was "grassroots".

I can't believe that anybody here was so stupid as to believe the crap coming out of OWS, and it's proponents here.

Ron Paul disagrees with you.

He thinks Occupy is "very good". Better go find a new candidate. Ron must have missed this Obama "commie" plot to take over the country. Laughable.

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

Obviously seen coming

Gerald Celente, for one, wrote a book in the 90's that foretold the rise of tax protests (Tea Parties) to be followed by unemployed and in debt college students taking to the streets (OWS) to be followed by the government taking us all to war (Iran).

The authorities have been slowly building the security grid for decades (REX84 was signed in the early 80's) so this unrest was intended all along.

Occupying a park or holding a rally against "Socialism" isn't going to do a thing other than waste time and energy.

Need to get active in local municipalities to make a difference.

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RP time vs. OWS time

Everyone's free to do with their time what they choose.

I recently had a productive RP2012 meeting with events and projects put on the calendar and another one is coming up later this week.

Based on my time spent at OWS General Assembly (GA) meetings, far more got done in a lesser amount of time promoting RP2012 than the time spent with the horribly inefficient OWS GA.

Not to mention, I didn't have to combat with local moveon.org emissaries at our RP meeting like I had to with OWS.

Unless your state allows unaffiliated voters to register as GOP delegates in the primary, OWS is a secondary focus (at best) compared to RP2012.

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From all of the very positive comments

following the Register article, I think Dr. Paul hit just the right tone in his comments. It works best to stress the positive qualities in people one wants to convince, when there is any hope for accord. Especially this is true in inadequately educated people when one has a message that can bring enlightenment.

I'd have to disagree

At least from my experience at an Occupy event, the majority do not think that taxes are too high. Besides the few guys on Youtube giving pro-Ron Paul speeches, I don't think I heard anyone say anything about taxes, besides that the rich need to pay more.

The Uber-Rich/ the Fascists DO need to pay more

"I don't think I heard anyone say anything about taxes, besides that the rich need to pay more."

I want to make one thing crystal clear which -- just perhaps -- escapes you. The Wall Street folks who are behind the BUYING of our government pay, on average, 15% on their income because virtually all their income has been categorized by their purchased politicians and bureaucrats as "capital gains". Google only pays 4% because it "made a deal" with the IRS (doubtless using some purchased politicians to arrange the meeting). Capital gains are GAMBLING income and a lot of it is ill gotten via special deals with the government (borrow at federal funds or sell drones to the military, etc.) But most of this isn't constructive labor at all it is GAMBLING income. Now tell me, by what sort of twisted logic did gamblers come to be treated preferentially to people who actually MAKE things and provide real services into the real economy?

So...the 1/100% of 1% really pay lower income tax rates then middle class Americans and far more than the merely 1% who pay 35% on nearly everything they earn because they can't take their pay as stock options (capital gains).

There is a lot of ignorance on OWS but not as much as on Main Street and not as much as at a Tea Party convention (dummies think a bankrupt nation should still place warring as a #1 priority). Still, the OWS leaders (leaders by taking the lead and not by election necessarily) seem to pretty much have it together and they are actively working on upgrading their understanding. You might try http://ampedstatus.org/does-obama-care-about-the-99-david-de... if you want to see one of the OWS top people call Obama a "Bankster Puppet".

Forgive my rant but I think Ron Paul was spot on and I think we need to reach out to OWS and see if we can save the country together.

Bill of Rights /Amendment X: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Do you need a politician or judge to "interpret" those 28

The way the system is corrupted to ALLOW for people to become

so rich is what has to change. Congress is mostly bought off by these elites, and that affects everything for the worse. Bailouts,moral hazard, corrupt policies, wars that profit the rich- all of it is the result of a bought-off Congress.

So why feed the government any more money (by taxing the rich at a higher rate) when they've demonstrated they are incapable of handling that money wisely?

Although really the first step in reforming the whole system is to end the Fed.

you go ahead and "disagree". Thousands of Ron Paul supporters

will continue to attend Occupy events and help our fellow Americans. You stay on the couch. Wow, even Ron Paul saying Occupy is "very good" can't dent the NeoCon propaganda wall. Sad.

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

I know that no proof can

I know that no proof can possibly exist at this point, but I'd really like to see some evidence that the MAJORITY of OWS protestors think taxes should be cut. It's not on their various lists of demands, and what I've seen in person and on Youtube, outside of a few people giving pro-Ron Paul speeches, I only hear talk of how how the rich aren't paying their fair share. That and how there should be a transaction tax to slow down financial markets.

If there's an OWS event going on there right now where the majority, or even a large minority, are for lowering taxes across the board, then good for them.

Which taxes, specifically

There is a logical error of conflation involved in talking about cutting taxes. Not all people are taxed similarly. Some are not taxed at all. Some are taxed mostly via consumption taxes. Some have arranged loopholes and "capital gains" rates which only THEY and their rarefied friends can qualify for.

I went to OWS. You are right, I didn't hear a lot of talk about cutting taxes but, then, they were mostly talking about those who only pay -- at most -- 15% (capital gains) for doing inside criminal deals with the criminals in Washington.

So, please, clarify which taxes -- taxation of whom -- you are talking about. Those who sell to the government or get federal funds rates on loans ought to have their taxes raised to 100% in my book. How about yours?

Bill of Rights /Amendment X: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Do you need a politician or judge to "interpret" those 28

there are lots of individuals

at Occupy events that agree with you. Occupy is not a person. It is an opportunity.

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

Ron has not allied with OWS, in case that was not clear

“Last year it was the tea party people that were unhappy, and now it’s the Occupy people,” Paul said. “I don’t think it’s as simple as Republicans and Democrats. I believe they are all lumped together being unhappy with government for different reasons.”

He's stating facts, for the most part. I'm not as certain as he is with this statement: “I think there are a few that attend these rallies that actually want more government..."

I think interviews and opinions by the OWS'ers have shown they are largely pro big government and "free everything" in their opinions.

Incidentally, join up at http://occupywallst.org/ and send some good hard facts to the folks and organizers. Some of them actually seem interested in Ron Paul (don't use his full name, though because their webmaster has it out for Ron... you'll see what I mean).

You have no idea. So stop. Occupy is an opportunity

and Ron Paul said Occupy was "very good". A very good opportunity. Pretty clear.

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

He said it's "both very good and very risky"

You left out the "very risky" part.

it's obvious the risky part is letting other ideas dominate

the discussion because some Ron Paul supporters are too lazy to leave the house and help. THAT IS THE RISK.

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

You're free to waste your time as you wish

but your opinion will continue to represent a minority view at OWS and that is another clear cut fact.