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National Review "Ron Paul fever at Zuccotti Park"

Establishment hit piece Supporting corporatism & demonizing Occupy Wall Street and Ron Paul in one felled swoop.


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My thoughts on Occupy

The media has construed it to be a 'socialist orgy' when this is clearly not the complete story. However, this is the general mental image the common sheeple have. I've been to my local Occupy and TBH it is mostly socialist types. BUT there are some libertarian and pissed off independents in there, too. So I went to convert people and open up minds, which helped.

I am very wary of Ron Paul being associated with OWS b/c I don't want him to scare off the Republicans before the RNC. Now once he is the candidate, by all means let's knuckle down. I am just afraid that like always people will buy the media's lie and associate socialism with Ron Paul. It's not fair, but let me put it another way.... Would you put it past Faux News to paint the picture like that?

Pottawattamie County Iowa

"Capitalism should not be condemned, since we haven't had capitalism." -Dr. Ron Paul

Strike while the Iron is hot

If we wait the establishment will have galvanized and solidified it to their own ends.

Many in the Tea Party

Many in the Tea Party supports foreign wars, the drug war, the PATRIOT Act, Guantanamo bay and "enhanced interrogation", destruction of habeus corpus, rendition, Social Security, and Medicare, and the list goes on. Many in the Tea Party support Cain, Bachman, or Perry instead of Ron Paul.

Does this mean we completely dismiss the Tea Party, or do we go to certain functions and try to change the dialogue, and challenge those people in some of their thinking. We don't ignore them, or call them all neocons because of the ideas of some of the people there.

The same should apply to the Occupy movement. The people at Occupy Wall Street genuinely want to help the country, because they feel cheated by a inherently corrupt system. However, their solutions would simply add to the problem. Instead of calling them all out as communists, and have infighting here at the Daily Paul, I suggest that we continue to not "support" OWS, but to interject our ideas and solutions into the equation. Not all can be converted, but if we throw up our hands and not even try, then they will definitely be completely co-opted by the left wing establishment, and we NEED to unite against corporatism. If we continue to divide ourselves, we will remain a minority, and will further the agenda of those in charge.

liberty lover in Nor Cal!

Liken it to a tug of war

Where the rope is the direct democratic process, enough direct or indirect influence from people like us can steer or drive debate and discussion to the right solutions.


the constitution

common law

ending corporatism in all its forms.

Pretty clear.

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

Don't show the Daily Paul partisan hacks the truth

They may not vote for Ron Paul and return to the fold of idiotic phony libertarian teabaggers at breitbart's "big government" philosophical homeless shelter.

It's dangerous to be right

When DP trolls are wrong.

That was a perfectly accurate article

which hit at the heart of the matter.

Ron Paul has NOTHING in common with these OWS idiots, but because of the misguided approach of some left wing zealots who can't see straight but claim to be "RP supporters", he's being tarred with their leftist class-warfare garbage. Something that could easily result in him losing the Republican nomination if the Republican rank-and-file voters begin viewing him as left-leaning.

I fail to see why anyone calls this a "hit piece".
It is perfectly accurate,and I'm glad that there's at least someone out there who's pointing out that RP has nothing in common with the OWS morons. Somebody needed to do it.

Thanks Charley Cooke!

Obviously someone here wants to truth but can't handle it.

Like they pretend to support small government and free market system but can't handle it.

The truth is that the system will create more inequality, not less.

The truth is that free market and small government will starve those at Z park to death. If are asking to trade freedom to freebies everyday.

So they want the truth, that is good news, but the bad news is they will have to handle it sooner or later.

You tell me.

You and Armyfree are the expert asshats around here.

Try DemocraticUnderground.
Oh wait! That's where you came here from.

Democratic Underground?

LMFAO case in point that you are a worthless partisan hack, the world doesn't just come in red or blue boxes. I was studying Austrian economics, Rothbard, Thoreau, Mises and Hayek in 2004.

Keep proving my point along with all the silent cowards who down vote me.

Hey, that's pretty great, dude!

Just keep working hard for the next 30 years and you might catch up to me.
I started this fight in 1976, the same year that Ron Paul first took office in Congress.
I got handed a copy of None Dare Call it Conspiracy under the table in the Olympia Restaurant in Washington DC, where it is said that the Bay of Pigs plan was hatched.

Keep it up. Eventually you'll be as experienced as I am, and you won't have the same positions you think are so good right now.

And yet you continue your arrogance

It's too bad they didn't hand you some humility under that table as well.

What positions do you think I currently have that are wrong and will change.

Please great sage, teach me.

you are wrong.

and Ron Paul has made his feelings clear. You are trying so hard to put Occupy in a box. So hard. Makes it easier to do nothing. Ron Paul supporters are part of Occupy. Deal with it.

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

Occupy puts itself in a box

and now you know why linking Ron with this shit ain't too smart.

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

media puts occupy in a box

and you go along with it, I guess we should just listen to them on Ron Paul too, he's too old and unelectable, OH WELL, guess I better vote for the black guy and assuage my white guilt, no sense in voting on policy or principle.

This is why joining the GOP and attending meetings works

My committee knows I'm RON PAUL, and we've established that THEY ARE MORE LEFTs than me and Ron Paul. While they discuss appeasing the Democratic Party community with YES votes for more taxes, I say NO NO NO and why why why, and so in my COUNTY, I am the NO person, THE conservative, and they are RINO "occupying" the committee until some Ron Paul supporters have the brains and guts to join the GOP and join me.

We are winning!

It's not entirely accurate,

It's not entirely accurate, but has some good points. I liked this parenthetical: "(The irony that Zuccotti Park occupies this public-private no man’s land also, and that the protesters’ ongoing commune there is largely the product of that fact, is clearly lost on the movement.)".

He mischaracterized Ron's position on where he would spend the trillions wasted overseas, saying:"...I suggested that, if it were up to Ron Paul, that money would never have found its way into the government coffers, let alone into public-works projects or federal entitlement spending..."

"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that." — Alan Greenspan

I would certainly hope

that RP would not have that money going into overnment coffers and public works projects or entitlement spending.

Because if he is going to put that money into gov't coffers and public works or entitlement spending, then he's not my candidate.
He's spent his life saying he would end those types of things, and I certainly hope he means it.

Well, he's said as much. He's

Well, he's said as much. He's said he wouldn't cut Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid. He's said that he'd use the overseas cuts to prop them up temporarily.

Sorry to hear that you won't be supporting him now.

"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that." — Alan Greenspan

Oh well.

You're right.
If that's what he says, then he has a serious credibility problem.
And I have heard that he has suggested such a thing.

I hope he moves back off that position, because I would like to vote for the things he used to stand for, like liberty and the free market.

I really think it will come

I really think it will come crashing down anyway. There is no way the criminals are going to give up control. There is no way they are going to stop their plans to crash the world economy.
I am hoping against all hope that there is a bloodless revolution, but in my heart I know that it has gone too far for that to happen.

It will all come to a sudden and violent end; and you know the first thing to perish is going to be the entitlements; not the wars or the police state.

"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that." — Alan Greenspan

The not-spent war money

would have perhaps ended up in household savings accounts, assuming inflation was slowed or stopped.

Famous Quote from Justice William O. Douglas

"The Constitution is not neutral.
It was designed to take the government
off the backs of people."

Don't give this link too many

Don't give this link too many hits unless you plan to leave a comment about why the author is an ignoramus (in a statesmanlike way, of course).