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The New Immigration TV ad is right on
Submitted by bedr1 on Sun, 12/30/2007 - 12:00
There is absolutely nothing wrong with this immigration ad, it is the absolute truth in everyway, and even though the truth may hurt to some - it is an excellent campaign video - I would run it over and over and over. » |
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Terrific Ad!
Nothing wishy washy about this stance. America must take a hard line on what has been a run away problem for a long time. love it!
I think this is a great ad!
This ad should be run constantly. It really hits home with most Americans. Great ad!
Thomas Jefferson:
"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them, will deprive the people of their property until t
Another thing
In a period of war, which we are currently unfortunately in, even a completely libertarian country would HAVE to close its borders. You can't be at war and have open borders at the same time. This is basic common sense. What would stop a gradual migration of individuals hostile to America from seeping into the country?
Common sense says, until we curtail this warfare/welfare state, we MUST oversee our borders. This is basic.
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WTF?
I have been reading some of your comments and wonder what country are you from. Complaining about our immigration laws. Saying that you are racist because you want secure borders. You guys are Democrats starting shit in a Ron Paul Forum. You have to be because you are making NO sense. Ron has nothing against illegal immigrants, but if they are effecting Americans in a negative way, which they are, it is his job to protect us. Nothing personal, just Constitutional and Legal.
Are laws are far softer than Mexico's. You have some nerves to be from Mexico ILLEGALLY and complain about our laws. Why not fix your own. Then you say, they are just here to work and help American, Bullshit. They are here to make money to send back home and rob the working class American. That is what they are doing, robbing Americans. They have no intention ever becoming Americans.
How do I know? Because if you are here ILLEGALLY, there is no way you can become a legal citizen. The Government's Money is Our Money. So if they give out welfare, free education, free healthcare, free college, that means that were are giving them that. What sucks is that these same benefits are not available to legal citizens. If you ever notice, to qualify for these programs your wages would have to be so low, that no legal citizen can qualify unless they lie. The notion that they are doing jobs that American won't do is STUPID. Who in the Hell you think use to do these jobs. AMERICANS. Why we don't now, because Big Business saw that they could hire illegal workers, pay them lower wages, stick the healthcare on tax payers, and make a killin' in profits.
IT's called Supply and Demand. More workers for a job brings down wages. If there were no illegal workers, what would happen. Would business' go broke....? NO. They would have to increase wages in order to entice Americans to fill the jobs. How do you think Americans got Business to include healthcare in the first place. They would take the job for just the pay, so they had to throw in something to fill the DEMAND. Now if you can just get an illegal alien, then you are going to always need the Government to go up on the MIN Wage a few pennies a year. You're still broke sense the dollare will never catch up with your cost of living, but I guess you will feel better.
Ending birthright citizenship is a great idea to keep Morons from F-ing with the Constitution. No more, WHAT ABOUT THE KIDS. I say, WHAT ABOUT THEM? As a Responsible, loving Parent, maybe you should have thought about that before you came over here illegally. Americans should not have to pay for Big Business trying to get over on us. It's not like they are on our side anyway.
These Dems that are for this Amnesty Crap are lying to illegals. They are just trying to get thier votes and pander to Big Business. Mexicans are the New Blacks. Dems were able to trick Blacks into thinking Republicans hate them because they wanted to take away there benefits and welfare. Since most of the Blacks did little research, they failed to realize that almost all the programs were started by Repblicans to help but were never meant to last forever since that you began to make them dependant. The Dems were the Pro-Slavery Party. Now they are doing it again with Mexicans. They say the Rep hate Mexicans because they want to secure the borders. They add legal immigrants with illegal immigrants as if there is no difference. Mexicans fail to realize that a Rep gave Amnesty but it was never meant to be done again. Dems feel that if they get them Amnesty, that can offset the Real Americans who will be pissed off over this. It will also help their wallets when it comes to Big Business. NO BODY should feel bad about a secure border. NO BODY should feel bad about this AD. Trust me, those who are trying to make you feel bad have a Twisted way at looking at things and will see a problem with anyone wanting to secure the Boders.
If you are really a Good person, Hard working person, Honest person, then you should RESPECT America and AMERICANS enough to not violate our laws just for your own benefit. If you are really these things, Act like it and enter our Country LEGALLY. If you have a problem with our Laws, TOUGH. They are there to protect US not YOU. If you need a job or more money, do what we do, Complain to your elected official in YOUR COUNTRY. Rally through the streets waving Mexican Flags like you did in the U.S. Who knows, it might work. Tell them that you are trying to do jobs that American won't do. Tell them you just want to feed your family. Try it. Over there, Not here. I'll be cheering for you. But if you desire the good ole U S of A, please enter legally and no body will object.
Can we..
Stop talking about this one 30 sec add? Go read Ron's position on his website, it clarifies his stance perfectly.
Why can't you?
Sorry but this is one Libertarian idea I do not agree with. Actually open borders should not be a Libertarian policy. You cannot hold fast to both non-intervention and open borders. Open border’s is an interventionist action. It has negative effects (blowback). It is a globalist stance that would forever be used by globalist to undermind governments and to take away sovereignty from governments. You can’t even be recognized as a nation without set borders. If you lose your sovereignty you lose your law (constitution) and Bill of Rights folks. This is anarchy at its finest. The bill of Rights is a document that holds our leaders in check. It is a list of things they shall not do and the tenth one says, “anything we missed you can’t do that one neither”. This is a republic where laws are set over the government to keep them in check.
Do away with borders and you kill the status of being a sovereign nation.
Do away with your sovereignty as nation and you kill your law and the Bill of Rights.
Do away with law and the Bill of Rights and you kill your republic.
Do away with the republic and you just killed any restraint of your government.
This also goes against the no entangling alliance stance the founding fathers held. Free trade does not require people to come live in your country but only to bring their goods and trade them. Then go back home. Services should be rendered and that person should then board a bus or plane and go home. The same rules should go for us. Legal Immigration has nothing to do with trade. It has everything to do with wanting to live in a different country. Trade is not involved. Desire to do better in making a living. Maybe! Desire for your family to be safe. Maybe! Desire to be free. Maybe! But trade, I don’t think so. This has everything to do with having life liberty and the pursuit of happiness nothing to do with trade. We have a method in place for coming to this country it takes a while but if you desire it enough you will stand in line. Immigration should never be about a work force. This is indentured servitude (another fancy word for slavery). Anyone that holds this stance is nothing more than an opportunist waiting to take advantage of a fellow human being. Who, might I add has the same God given rights as you do Dear Sir! Rights have no boundaries but people do. They are called borders. It’s where your national law’s stop and my national law’s begin and vise-versa. This stance just shows me the Libertarian party has also been infiltrated by globalist. Why is it that every party in this country only cares about the bottom line of their profits or their control or their cheap labor? I understand that you all want your grubby little hands on the delicious looking global money pit. Ask your-self this one question. How much money is enough for you to live life? How much would you need to make to feel you had your fill of liberty? How much do you need to make before you can finally find happiness? Our forefathers found all of these right here in this great land we call America. Why can’t you?
Ending birthright citizenship
to illegals is a Huge winner.
Arizona has put it on the ballot.
It is very popular and a citizen initiative.
This ad hits a home run on that issue alone.
illegals do not have birthright..
That right applies only to people who are here legally, so giving babies of illegals citizenship all this time, has not been right.
As usual, Dr. Paul is only asking we follow the constitution and bill of rights.
gma
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety, and ultimately will have neither."...... Benjamin Franklin
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety, and ultimately will have neither."...... Benjamin Franklin
the cost of illegal birthright
most are unisured and both mother are undocumented and non productive members at the time with most coming into the hospitals for the sole purpose of reaching the 'birthright".
See what is happening to the hospitals in Nogales and other border towns. Without state help most hospitals would have to close.
ron paul is
a libertarian leaning republican. His stance on immigration has been know from the beginning. This is a non issue in this campaign. Like it or not this is were he stands on it and I happen to agree. If we want our 500,000 plus troops to have jobs to come home to as well as all those we are about to unemploy by down sizing the government then illegals should be be the first to go to free up jobs. Sorry but this only makes sense. We need to think about Americans first for a change.
Economic Fallacies
Read Some Economics,
There is no such thing as a "fixed pool of jobs" from which to accept employment. When immigrants (or former federal government workers) are employed by Americans, they produce wealth. Some of this wealth is retained by the employer, who can use it to employ more people or to raise wages of those already in his employ. Some of the wealth is paid to the immigrant, who then either spends it (increasing demand for goods or services in the economy) or invests it (causing greater employment). There is simply no economic justification for restricting immigration, or, for that matter, keeping federal workers employed in a massive, bloated welfare/warfare state.
Fixed pool
Is an economic fallacy and I believe the person to whom you responded was misinterpreting Ron Paul's policy as being in favour of this notion. However, it's quite clear that the Doctor supports legal immigration as a valuable tool to improve economic vitality, yet disapproves of illegal, unchecked immigration which can overwhelm and place a superfluous burden upon the state which is currently structured to support dead weight.
Dr. Paul himself has talked about removing the incentive for illegal immigration by simply not offering various services to illegals as policy. An equilibrium would be more achievable under his guidance.
I agree... its scary
Its very scary this "soft racism" against "illegals". The man who said, "I am not a dictator, I have only simplified democracy"....was Adolf Hitler in 1936. He found is hated scapegoats --jews, gays, gypsies, athiests, etc and that helped him, in a democracy, get the acts of power passed that he needed to rule the country.
To enter the country illegally, or stay here beyond State approved timeline, is first, its a civil offense, not a criminal offense. It bares a $5000 penalty. At least it has not been a criminal offense until very reciently---and that should scare you. A whole class of citizens, made second class and criminals. All this reminds me of the newly empowered Nazi regime looking for scapegoats. And Dr. Paul always says he is not out to make Mexican citizens who enter the USA illegally out to be scapegoats. But scapegoats is what they are becomming.....its scary and echos from the past redefining of German Jews and their legal status.
Its not a "crime" in the libertarian sense that someone has violated someone elses Life, Liberty or Property. States get their moral authority from claiming to be a certain geographical areas final arbitor, or decieder, of such rights violations. When the State starts to decide on issues beyond violations of individual rights of Life, Liberty & Property, then it has "over stepped" its bounds of (moral) authority. When I cross over from Arizona to California, or from the USA to France, I am crossing from one legal juristiction to another, from one final legal area, to another. The act of crossing, either with the host States permission or not, does not violate the soviergnty of the host State.
The anti-illegals menality is very scary in light of all the "soft corporate-government fascism" that in America today. If you have noticed, today we have in place all the tools any despot would need to make a dictatorship in the good ol US of A. Notice we now have:
1) Patriot Act - We now have a government we cannot see, but can see us all the time and with out warrent. Bye bye 4th amendment and a few others too.
2) Military Commissions Act--Marshall Law is Ok, however, whenever, the President so defines it, or does not.
3) Presidential Signing Statements--no longer is a president bound by any laws created through our elected Congress. Strike out what you don't like, write in what you do.
4) The 2007 Defense Authorization Bill--- Just made all the State Governors as tokens, unable to comand their own National Guard Units. The President of the USA now has his own army--inside the USA. This guts Posse Comitatus Act when the President, at his own discretion, invokes section 333, he may expand his power to declare Marshal Law and take charge of all National Guard units to "restore public order" ......when say, he very popularly calls for all 12 million "illegals" to be rounded up, warehoused in pens (already built), trained off to Mexico and beyond.
All that I wish to say to those Ron Paul Revolutionaries,.....be very very careful with advocating a WALL to built....for a wall may keep people you don't like out, but it may also keep all of IN.... Dictators --- you know how they are, they love us so much, they never want us to leave thier grasp.
Treg
None of the current
None of the current presidential candidates, nor bush, have advocated rounding up all illegals and putting them in pens for deportation. Besides, thats not necessary to get illegals out. If laws are consistently and fully enforced(which to my knowledge, they never have been, only half-hearted enforcement to date), most illegals will leave the country on their own because they will not be able to get welfare or jobs.
Crasch and Dogster
Your positions are reasonable, however we need votes. Any candidate who is soft on immigration this year is going to get creamed, period. This is why Giuliani, Romney, and Huckabee have flipped from pandering to illegal immigrants to condemning them. If you can't get over this issue, maybe you should be looking at McCain.
Practical politics
How many voters will Paul get because of this ad? If anti-immigration is such a big winner, why did Tancredo do so dismally? I agree that public sentiment is against those perceived as "soft on immigration", but I don't think Paul was perceived as soft on immigration before this ad. So why press the issue?
It's also a question of principle. Paul's appeal to many is that he's one of the most principled politicians. His immigration stance seems to me to be one of the few areas where his position is in conflict with his principles. But I overlooked his stance because no politician is perfect and during most of his appearances, his rhetoric emphasized individual liberty.
Now it appears that he's going to make nativist fearmongering a centerpiece to his campaign. Paul's still the best of a bad lot, but this latest development makes me much less enthusiastic about his campaign.
In my opinion, he's going to lose as many voters who previously overlooked his stance on immigration as he will gain from nativists.
Stop this Xenophobic Ad
I agree.
I belive that the ad is xenophobic.
Let people live and let live.
I don't want my donations to be going to fund this ad.
Anti-immigration(being
Anti-immigration(being opposed to all immigration) is a loser, anti-illegal immigration is a winner. Do not imply RP is anti-immigrant, because that confuses people, and makes people think he's opposed to legal immigration. You can point out all you want him being against illegal immigration. If you do not differentiate between illegal and legal immigrants, then all you are doing is hurting RP with this talk of anti-immigration which makes it sound like RP is against all immigration whether legal or illegal.
Tancredo did so badly because of his comment about bombing mecca and medina in retaliation for islamic nuclear terrorist attacks on the U.S. Also did not help that he avoided the draft instead of serving.
I don't mind RP
lying about evolution to some cracker, but this ad is repulsive.
Famous Quote from Justice William O. Douglas
"The Constitution is not neutral.
It was designed to take the government
off the backs of people."
Famous Quote from Justice William O. Douglas
"The Constitution is not neutral.
It was designed to take the government
off the backs of people."
I Wouldn't Vote For McCain for Dogcatcher
Chuck,
Ron Paul comes closer to upholding my positions than any major party candidate for President in my lifetime (including Barry Goldwater). Yes, the immigration issue is a sore point with me -- I just don't see how any Christian could be so callous to the needs of immigrants that they are willing to take a socialist position on immigration just to appease xenophobes. But ending US militarism/imperialism and abolishing the income tax are more important issues to me than just about anything else.
If Ron Paul wins the nomination, I will vote for him in November. If not, heaven help us.
he softens and hardens his line
depending on his audience. Call it pragmatism or pandering if you like, but that's the reality of being a politician unfortunately. Once he gets elected he can educate the masses on Austrian economics. This video clip shows him taking a softer position, more in line with what you would expect based on his economic philosophy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kOp2OsEF_M
"If we didn't have the welfare state, this would be a non issue"
"It's because we're having these economic problems that I say the illegal alien becomes an easy scapegoat"
Valid Purpose of National Borders
The only valid use for national borders, from a liberty standpoint, is not to keep people out of a nation. It is to keep the government from extending its influence outside of a nation.
Pandering to xenophobic Republicans should have no place in a freedom campaign. If I want to hire or rent a room to anyone born outside my nation, I have a God-given, free market property right to do so. Any other position is pure big government socialism.
I'm offended that you seem
I'm offended that you seem to be implying that anyone who's opposed to illegal immigration is a xenophobe. Well, most people(including me) who oppose legal immigration, favor legal immigration from all over the world. So the xenophobe label is unfair and untrue in most cases.
What I meant to say is, most
What I meant to say is, most people that oppose illegal immigration are in favor of legal immigration.
Some Things Which Are Illegal Shouldn't Be
Do you favor locking up medical marijuana patients because they "blatantly flout federal law?" You completely ignore the issue of what immigration should be legal, and what immigration should be illegal. If all immigration were legal, I assume you would be trying to make some of it illegal, so that you would have a justification for preventing them from immigrating. I am not calling on people to break the law, I am calling on them to CHANGE it. Restrict GOVERNMENTS, not PEOPLE.
I'm not an anarchist, I
I don't hae any problem with medical pot, but I'm not an anarchist, I believe some laws are necessary. We can disagree on what laws are necessary and what laws aren't.
Good Enough
theone77,
I'm with you on supporting Ron Paul. He is approximately an 89% match (according to some web site or other) with my political philosophy. It just seems that an inordinate number of Ron Paul supporters really are anti-(Hispanic)immigrant. Or maybe they're just more vocal. If you aren't a xenophobe, then I did not mean that word to describe you.
Why is someone anti-hispanic
Why is someone anti-hispanic if they are opposed to illegal immigration? I don't understand that reasoning, especially if they support legal hispanics coming here(as I do). Sure, most illegals are coming from mexico, but that doesn't mean people opposed to illegal immigration only want illegal hispanics out and want to let all non-hispanic illegals stay. Most people I know who are opposed to illegal immigration want all illegal immigrants out, no matter what race or nationality, but allow fair and reasonable legal immigration to continue. The fact that 80+% of illegals are hispanic in origin can make some people think its just people hating hispanics, but I don't believe that to be the case.
Although when one sees and hears stuff like this, which snopes tackled, one can't help but be at least a bit concerned about this flood of illegals coming up from Mexico.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIW-BZ8oLrk
http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/hispanic.asp
What about voting?
The problem with your logic is that people who come here can vote. We have 300 million of the worlds 8 Billion people. If you had your way all China or India would have to do is peacefully send over 301 Million (More like only 50 million if they all vote) and vote this country out of existance.
Only Citizens Can Vote
Anyone who comes here and becomes a citizen, in my opinion, wishes to adopt American values and culture. If someone came here as an agent of another nation's government, they could not become a citizen. The fact is that the United States, with present birthrate trends, will reach a peak of 350 M population and then start declining in population. There is plenty of room, so "send me your tired, your poor.." etc.