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Who are the Koch brothers, and why are they supporting Cain?

I just saw HC on TV bragging about his "brother from a different mother" relationship with the Koch brothers.
What is the story on these guys?

When I did a brief Google search, I found this Bloomberg article about them.

Here is an excerpt:
"Charles and David have supported the Tea Party, a loosely organized group that aims to shrink the size of government and cut federal spending.
These are long-standing tenets for the Kochs. In 1980, David Koch ran for vice president on the Libertarian ticket, pledging to abolish Social Security, the Federal Reserve System , , welfare, minimum wage laws and federal agencies -- including the Department of Energy, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Central Intelligence Agency."

Seems like they would be more in RP's camp, rather than Hc's.

What gives?

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They're just protecting their

They're just protecting their own interests.

They're not bad people but they DO have their own agenda. You basically have Soros & Buffet on one extreme and Koch Bros on the other extreme. The battle of the billionaires just trying to survive from each other! lol.

Koch Bros are not pure. They are not libertarians nor constitutionalists. Once upon a time perhaps they were. But now they're just all about themselves.

One of the Koch bros was anti-communist and a founding father of the John Birch Society. So they're not all that bad. I believe they supported and pushed Milton Friedman's economic philosophy over Hayek. So Rothbard was marginalized during that time period. The Koch bros backed Bill Clinton back in the day. I forget if they backed him for governor or his later presidential campaign?

Anyways, I like Rand Paul's strategy. Get people to back you where you have things in common and grow your coalition issue by issue.

Too bad the apples have fallen too far from the tree

Their father Fred had it right when he called out the communists after learning about their agenda from Bolshevic russian jewish communist Livshitz ...http://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/history/item/4825-fred-koch-oil-man-against-communism

"He told me how the Communists were going to infiltrate the U.S.A. in the schools, universities, churches, labor unions, government, armed forces, and to use his words, “We will make you rotten to the core.” I believe that due to his American experience he was one of the original architects of the Communist plan of subversion of the U.S.A."

RP R3VOLution

the koch brothers have become

the koch brothers have become the biggest straw man in politics. they support crap candidates, but those opposing them with two-hands-on-cheeks know little to nothing about the system we live under.

Interesting Aljazeera hit

Interesting Aljazeera hit peice on the Koch brothers, calling them radical right "libertarians". Video included, 24 mins.


I would say they might support RP for 2012.


Hemp would kill their business

If Ron Paul became President and end the War on Drugs, it would leave each state to make their own decisions. The first thing to be legal in many of the states would be hemp. North Dakota has already issued at least five permits to ND farmers to grow Hemp - over a year ago.

Since hemp can easily grow virtually anywhere in the world and there are tens of thousands of uses for it, many of the corporate cronies each stand to lose billions annually if hemp was legal in the US. From replacing fiberglass in cars to alternative fuel to coffee and of course paper, the paper, chemical, natural gas, steel and big pharma companies would have to compete with thousands of hemp farmers across the nation.

If hemp were so dangerous, why are we allowed to import it?

I don't think so

I see the Koch Brothees as American industrialists and they would have no problem industrializing hemp. They, of all have what it takes to make it happen.

I think David would be an excellent VP for Ron Paul, even if he is married to the "W"'s baby sister.

But Koch is for ending the War on Drugs.


You've been ZAMPED!!!!!!!

What if

the Kochs never gave up on their dream of a successful third party campaign for president? What if they are strategically helping Cain to get the nomination knowing he's the most vulnerable of the Republicans? What if the Kochs have only pretended to "hate Ron Paul?" What if Charles or David offers to be Ron's running mate if he switches to the Libertarian Party? Then they could spend a billion directly on the campaign.

Just dreamin'...

New Hampshire and Ecuador.

What if ...

"What if this whole crusade's a charade
And behind it all there's a price to be paid

... not for all the tea [parties] in China.

Some things are, and ought to be, non-negotiable.


The Hands That Feed


You're keeping in step in the line
Got your chin held high and you feel just fine
'Cause you do what you're told
But inside your heart it is black and it's hollow and it's cold

Just how deep do you believe?
Will you bite the hand that feeds?
Will you chew until it bleeds?
Can you get up off your knees?
Are you brave enough to see?
Do you wanna change it?

What if this whole crusade's a charade
And behind it all there's a price to be paid
For the blood which we dine
Justified in the name of the Holy and the Divine

Just how deep do you believe?
Will you bite the hand that feeds?
Will you chew until it bleeds?
Can you get up off your knees?
Are you brave enough to see?
Do you wanna change it?

So naïve
I keep holding on to what I wanna believe
I can see
But I keep holding on and on and on and on

Will you bite the hand that feeds you?
Will you stay down on your knees?


They might be libertarians,

They might be libertarians, but they fund Republicans. I liken them as the George Soros of the right. lots of money, power and influence.

Here is Lew Rockwell and Tom Woods discussing the Koch brothers.


liberty lover in Nor Cal!

They are supporting Cain

They are supporting Cain because he is stoopid, unprincipled, and easily controlled.

Here's a map

Check out this link for a map that shows what they're into:

I notice that they backed McCain a good bit. Not exactly consistent libertarians.

Nice to see you here!

I've always found those NNDB maps on your blog extremely informing!

I Had no idea you were also on Dailypaul!

Check out the Laissez-Faire Journal at LFJournal.com

"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

Small Web World

Been having fun sharing what I learn over here too!


for the map.

Rockefeller University...hmmm...

Things are not always as they seem.

Looks like we might need to do more to expose these "Koch brothers" and their affiliations.

Glennda Beckster defends the Brutha's

That should tell you something.

She always gets sucked into the next new thing that comes along.

Usually you'll find out that Glennda has not vetted the latest object of her affections.

Remember David Horror-witz? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIDDc8UodYQ


Oops, almost missed this!

Bump to the top!
The Democratic Party presidential primaries, in 1980, nominated Edward Clark for President and David H. Koch for Vice President. More recently the brothers have been associated with the Republican and the Libertarian Parties, and they have even been proven to back the new Neo-Tea Party, as well. I guess it is safe to assume that whenever any political party supports Crony Capitalism, Corporatism or Fascism - that is when we will find the Kochs' loyalties.

More here:
Almost everything you ever wanted to know about the Koch brothers, but were afraid to ask - but aren't you glad you did! And watch my votes drop like a rock for giving you an honest answer. It seems that we have some Koch fans here. So why are they here, knowing how much the Kochs hate everything Ron Paul stands for? That's a question for another day.
At the risk of repeating myself, I''ll just add that the Koch brothers hate Ron Paul. I mean they really hate Ron Paul.
They have fought against, picked and supported opposition candidates against him for decades. They hate him way more than they hate Obama and the progressive wing of the Democrats.
They hate Ron Paul's fidelity to the Constitution and the rule of law; they hate his principled anti-war consistancy; they hate his attacks on the Fed and crony corporatism (which is their bread and butter).
Every bit of positive media attention Ron Paul gets, sticks in their craw, causing serious irritation and furious anger.
Every successful "money bomb" where Ron Paul raises millions shows that they are irrelevent and powerless to stop the millions of people who support him.

"Stand up for what you believe in. Even if you stand alone."
~ Sophie Magdalena Scholl
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."
~ Ron Paul
"You must be the change you want to see in the world."
~ Mahatma Gandhi

Kochs are not true libertarians

They claim to be libertarians but their activities are not consistent with their proclaimed ideology.
Read this article for more information

How is lobbying for deregulation

not libertarian?

Sorry, I'm new here

I should have been more specific. As they publicly bash ethanol as a costly government boondoggle, (costing taxpayers $6 billion annually) they own four (4) ethanol plants in Iowa.

They have lobbyist working to keep ethanol production "heavily subsidized, mandated, and protected." Their lobbyist are also working "to expand the tax credit for renewable electricity production made from biomass" which Georgia-Pacific generates.


Charles Koch happened to be on the list of Bohemian Grove attendees from 2008. The Koch Brothers are also frequent Bilderberg attendees.




"Its easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."
Mark Twain

What I've figured out so far...

"Not only are they (Koch brothers) responsible for Dixie cups and Brawny paper towels, but the dinosaur wing at the American Museum of Natural History is named after one of them." Other than that they are billionaires in the chemical and something else industry.

Cain is affiliated with a group called American's for Prosperity which is majorly backed by the Koch brothers. I believe he worked for the grop and that it is also where he met Mark Block.

There are now allegations that a group gave around $40,000 to the Cain campaign to get it started. That group being Prosperity USA who is a tax-exempt group that possibly illegally donated to the campaign and it top it off it Prosperity USA was founded by Mark Block.

So there is a potential connection between Prosperity USA and American's for Prosperity which is highly funded by the Koch brothers. By the simplest of answers is...

They have a lot of money and are giving it to Cain. And who knows what they are asking of Cain in return.

No guarantees this is 100% accurate but there are a lot of articles popping up about all of this now.

I really hope people finally start coming to terms that Cain is a horrible candidate for the Presidency of our nation and we would be sorely screwed if he wins any sort of election.

I've heard the term "Koch

I've heard the term "Koch brothers" thrown around as a sign of bad associations but don't really know anything about them... I hope this thread teaches me!

"You must be frank with the world; frankness is the child of honesty and courage...Never do anything wrong to make a friend or keep one...Above all do not appear to others what you are not" - Robert E. Lee, CSA

for one thing...

...funders of the "tea-o-con" Americans For Prosperity.

Funders of the anti-war

Cato Institute.

they are so wealthy...

...that they probably own businesses which make stacks of cash from bullets & bombs.

Or maybe are eligible for bailout $$

I actually met the son of

I actually met the son of David Koch at a party I went to a year ago in Palm Beach FL... I didn't know that his father was the primary backer of the Tea Party... Had I known I would've asked him questions.

you mean...

...the FAKE tea party ;-)