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OWS.Cointelpro? Endgame De-stabilization? You decide.

Excellent 30 minute examination of the history and personalities of these operations.

http://youtu.be/i3oJ3cCgeLo

We are being played by these people again. It amazes me that after all of these years being aware of this activity and these people pushing buttons around the world, after all of our experience being on the receiving end of these operations as Ron Paul supporters, and given that we have been targeted by this crap with vigor over the last few years to the point that we are generically included in MIAC reports as potential domestic terrorists, we are once again being targeted for internal destabilization and mission re-direction by spammers from the OWS op.

That we must, on a daily bases revel in the incessant Cointelpro spam of one of this operation's apparatchiks here on the Daily Paul without reprieve from the Mods is a sad state of affairs.

To use our liberty ideology against us, specifically our "big tent" inclusive attitude, our inherent knee-jerk defense of individual opinion and freedom of speech, is probably the cruelest thing about the operation they are running on us. They must stand around the water cooler and chuckle about it all.

Of course, I don't make the rules around here, and while censorship is hardly something I search for in life, fairness and honesty are things that are very important to me and having given these people their soapbox ad nauseam, I am hoping for a time when we can get back to the business at hand...without the distractions...or the nails that are being tossed under our tires.

I, and many other veterans here, have requested, time and again the proof of what this Armyfree spammer keeps telling us...that OWS is not a leftist/socialist movement but instead, a diverse group of people who want what we want and that the whole "socialist" thing is "Neo-Con Propaganda. NEVER does he provide proof for his position...instead he ignores the calls for proof as he repeats the same lies and inanities before reverting to calling long-time DP members and well known Paul activists...Neo-Cons and cowards.

Acting on his prodding, I have done my own investigation into this and I am wholly convinced that the espoused "goals" of OWS are as far away from ours as one can get...and still have any semblance of commonality...our shared understanding of SOME causal effects. Instead of finding "proof" that Armyfree was too lazy to provide, I found "proof" that what we are being told is Neo-Con Propaganda is, in truth...truth...so say my eyes and quite discerning brain.

What truly disturbs me...and what should disturb anyone trying to get Ron Paul through to the Republican nomination is the prolific littering of the thread list here to make it look like the Dailypaul could double as the DailyOWS to the casual...or specifically directed inquisitive Republican visitor.

I don't know about everyone else here, but I am concentrating on the Republican Primary. In so doing, it has been my habit to direct inquisitive, yet still traumatized Republicans to this site as a place to learn about Ron Paul, his ideology and platform and why we support Ron.

Sometimes trying to turn these people is a balancing act, one performed at the tips of two crossed fingers. While waking others (especially older people) can be difficult enough, it becomes doubly difficult to do this when the thread list has OWS spammer puke dripping all over it. Of course if one reads the threads, they'd see true Ron Paul supporters battling with the lying incredibly obtuse spammer(s)...but many won't read the threads...they'll just read into them and simply click their way out of here.

During the interim years, between this election and last, we have discussed a myriad of topics, sometimes to the chagrin of some of the members...911 Truth comes to mind. And I never had a problem with this...not because I am a non-believer in the government story...but because the timing of these discussions was somewhat outside of the election cycle and I didn't really see them as anathema to our stated goals or really doing anything to harm Ron or his chances...especially as we were then a fringe minority with little hope of success and the teeming masses were not yet in blame/fix mode. So, such inane, or maybe titillating, discussion was presented to a more "limited" already committed audience here at the Daily Paul.

Now it's 2011 and things are Vastly different. We are no longer "Bat-shit-crazy" folk without a prayer. We are now a force to be reckoned with and more and more are letting down their guards each and every day. When they do deign to give Ron Paul a look see, they often end up here...and maybe nervously so as they are delving into some thing akin to the black arts by smacking their long held belief system with a sledgehammer marked with the eye of a Newt...something we are all won't to do and something that we all had to do at some point to be regulars here now.

What happens to the Registered Republican lady who comes here and finds "those socialist protesters" capitalizing the thread list and posting all over the place with their inane suppositions and postulations that are completely false if not intellectually dishonest in how they portray Dr. Paul as supportive of all of this.

It's hard enough getting people to think without giving timid drowsy Republicans an excuse to "go no further". It is my hope that this will end, and the efficacious tool that the DailyPaul has always been will return to its former self. Tolerance used to have its limits around here...which wasn't so bad after all...



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Occupy The GOP

It's way better to Occupy the GOP than OWS.

Ron Paul is NOT OWS. Ron Paul Republicans are THE BOMB, OWS is a trap.

nonsense.

Occupy just held a GLOBAL phone conference attacking the Federal Reserve. This event was open to everyone and included questions. Is this Cointelpro? Is exposing the FED to the world part of "their" agenda now? Marching against Obama? Marching against the bailouts? Marching against Washington DC? Marching against the police state? The corporate media continues to slander Occupy just as much as it is slandering and ignoring Ron Paul. You do realize "they" could simply look at the Liberty movement and make the same claim. Are we Cointelpro? You decide.

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

What are you FOR?

NOTHING

WTF?

Occupy the GOP

The NeoCon GOP is ignoring Ron Paul.

How much longer are you going to play their game? How much longer will you waste your energy trying to get the insane NeoCon GOP leadership to like you? If you succeed in turning enough Americans within the GOP, the leadership will simply shift their support to the NeoCon Democrats. The game is crooked. You will NOT win. Ron Paul's message must continue. Occupy is diverse and growing. We need to work outside the rigged political system. WE need to unite and take these F@ckers down in mass. Ron Paul and his meassage has inspired Occupy from the very beginning.

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

Because I Occupy The GOP,

I'm not enabling my RCC to ignor Ron Paul. I attend all meetings, sign up for all events, and tell them like I see it, with Ron Paul on top.

I know they hope I will quit showing up, so they can continue playing crooked games.

I am ESTABLISHING myself, I'm growing roots, I'm up for positions on boards that WILL SHAPE THE FUTURE, and I'm not going to let that go to party on OWS, where no one wants leadership (so they wait for the slaughter, and for NOTHING!)

It takes courage to Occupy the GOP, it takes NOTHING to join OWS. Nothing ain't worth nothing but it's free.

Freedom ain't Free. Get it?

Want to change things Armyfree? Occupy the GOP with me.

Takes some guts, I know, but it's sooo worth it.

Site Offline?

I spent 20 minutes writing something for this post, only to have it deleted when I pressed save. I keep getting "site offline" messages. It's been going on for days now. Is it just my computer, or is this happening to other people too?

Happens to me

though oddly enough, not in the past few days.

Up until about a week ago the site would either refuse to load of go offline for a bit.

A signature used to be here!

okay thanks.

it's weird how it's only been with this site... everything else works fine.

The end game is always the same...productive blind working class

They intend to keep us divided and believing in the illusion of the republic-democracy.

Yes, there are elected officials, but their is a greater (plutarchial) level of authority over our republic-democracy.

To keep us at maximum productivity, they know they have to keep us believing the illusion and have to keep us divided.

The most organized and illuminated eventually controls all others.

ecorob's picture

when they came for the tea partiers, i didn't care...

it was a co-opted group

when they came for the occupy movement, i didn't care, they weren't my kind of people

when they came for me there was no one left to care

WAKE UP, people!

KNOW where your strength lies!!!

has anyone heard this story before?

ps...you can vote down the truth but you can't hide it for very long (unless you are the us government)

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

There are good things at OWS

http://permaculture.tv/occupy-permaculture/

as long as we keep coming together with individual solution and defining the collective problem...

the minute we switch to demanding a collective solution is the minute it is co-opted

A true flower can not blossom without sunlight and a true man can not live without love.

Hi permaculture check out what Bill Mollison has to

say about Occupy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2KabGgFgxg

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

ecorob's picture

ba-BOOM!

very well said, PR

and it takes about one microsecond for the corruption to begin

stay focused, occupy!

don't allow yourself to be defined, define yourselves!

you can do it, we can help!

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

ecorob's picture

i won't sacrifice freedom for security...

to condemn occupy wall street is to condemn the tea party

you remember? the tea party Dr. Paul FOUNDED!

to say that these entities have been co-opted, well, that is probably true, in part

to discount them totally is to divide the american people

do we need to be smart and know WHAT we are doing?

HELL yes!

give the Americans that ARE awake and COGNIZANT credit for knowing right from wrong and give us the chance to awaken the sleeping masses

your post groups the whole ows movement as a failure to our democratice republic...i reject that notion!

again, you must be AWAKE and COGNIZANT...you MUST understand deceit...you must take responsibility for this

Americans will do this and your dumbing them down to the issues only you espouse is devisive

kind of an old trick...i wish you would see it

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Ron Paul didn't **FOUND** the Tea Parties

The original gatherings coalesced around his message as a show of support for his run at the presidency, and in a few short months it was co-opted.

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RON PAUL 2012

And the spammers keep on keeping on...

...yes sleepdog we house them in our midst...you'd think a Ron Paul supporter would know from whence the tea party sprang and how wary Ron is of the OWS crowd...and you'd be right!

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

You'd think!!!

amazing, isn't it?

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RON PAUL 2012

I posted this from another thread

The way I see their plan, if there is one:

1. Pull enough Ron Paul supporters into the protests
2. The media trumpets a Ron Paul link to OWS
3. Allow a few provocateurs to let OWS get really violent, like Greece or Britain
4. Blame it all on Ron Paul supporters or the Tea Party: "OWS was peaceful until THEY showed up!!!"

The OWS central hive desperately wants a confrontation to escalate this thing, or else they will have to watch it dissolve for the winter. They just need the right fall guy, or group, to take the blame. As we can see calling up the "tea party" dogs isn't as easy as they would like it to be.

They would never allow popular sentiment to run afoul of their dear progressives, who everyone knows are all about peace anyway, as evidenced by the multitude of the antiwar demonstrations since Obama took office.

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RON PAUL 2012

ecorob's picture

how do you know they are not newt gingrinch supporters?

couldn't they be bachmann supporters?

if the lame street media specifically targets Ron Paul supporters wouldn't that be exposed? by Dr. Paul himself?

give us some freaking credit!

occupy might just save your arse, you are just too blind to see it...

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Are spammers like armyfree out recruiting for OWS

on the Bachmann or Gingrich supporter sites???

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RON PAUL 2012

I reserve the right to save my own @ss, thank you

And if I ever do need one, I hope to God it isn't a consensus driven @ss saving

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RON PAUL 2012

That is exactly how I see it...

the cold is coming and they'll have to amp it up soon before they lose the stoners back into their warm basements. The best thing they could do is wrap this cloak of offal around Ron Paul...just as they turn it violent/criminal.

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

ecorob's picture

nice and devisive post, keep it up

these stoners you talk about are roughly 75 million people in the USA (that have smoked pot and lived to tell about it)...so, keep up the music, maestro

oh, let's don't get violent (in a little girl's voice) it will hurt Dr. Paul...

give me a freaking break!

where the hell do you think this country is heading, you mOron!

you best be supporting these ows'ers...they might end up being the only thing left between you and the gestapo!

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Seems like the "gestapo" has set their sites on OWS

And all OWS has done is give the NYC "gestapo" a training exercise in crowd control and more research opportunity on the limits of police brutality.

Like they need it...

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RON PAUL 2012

keep it up...you are making my points perfectly...

...childish huh?

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

One thing

I always attempt to do is "Be Fair". ArmyFree, I do think other posters who have disagreed with you do have a point in that it seems you only post OWS threads and only post comments on OWS threads. If you are truly a Ron Paul supporter, why aren't you participating in other types of threads, may I ask?
As far as the OWS agenda, as stated on numerous previous occasions, I don't know if it was started for "pure purposes" and others with agendas are attempting to co-opt it, or if it was started with "unpure purposes" and others with pure motives have joined in. I have seen some complaints/demands that cause me concern, and I have seen some inspirational video footage, as well (like Chris Sawinidis - "End the Fed" kid who appeared on Freedom Watch).
FWIW, a very small (12-20) Occupy group had a demonstration at Town Square recently in the next town downriver from me. It WAS co-ordinated by a well-known (highly controversial) local lefty professor and several students. There were photos the next day in the newspaper. I WAS pleased to see one gentleman with a huge "The Federal Reserve is just about as Federal as Federal Express" sign. One sign read, "It's time to tax the 1%". The prof's sign read, "Obscene Wealth # Moral Authority - Corporatered (sic) Government #
Democracy - I am the 99% - Occupy Wall Street - Occupy Bloomsburg (town where the demonstration was held) - Occupy the World". One sign was too blurry to read, but did reference a facebook site... So, from this event, was I able to determine just what is what concerning the Occupy movement? No! So, I will just continue to observe and continue to advise caution for those participating in the movement.
What I am most interested in at this point in time is getting Ron Paul elected POTUS 2012.

O.P.O.G.G. - Fighting the attempted devolution of the rEVOLution
Ron Paul 2012...and beyond
BAN ELECTRONIC VOTING!!

ecorob's picture

thank you, sir...

i AM ows

i am occupy wall street!

what's wrong with that?

and, ps, i'm still learning...

i am NOT socialist

i AM PRO Ron Paul

Ron Paul
2012

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

You have the advantage of having seen . . .

one of these gatherings, however biased it may or may not have been. There has been nothing in my rural area, not even in the county seat. Nothing. So I haven't been able to see this for myself. The tea party was very big here. They came to town, made a lot of noise and disrupted (though peaceably) downtown commerce--LOL!

But the "OWS" thing simply hasn't come into this region.

I don't watch MSM, so I have no way of knowing. I have read the things people have posted about it on here, because I do not have a way of seeing for myself.

Thank you for telling *me* about a local group, for what it is worth, as you say--:)

I do like to get at the 'meat' of things, when I can.

I didn't intend to bump this thread, either, but I really appreciate it when people report things that *they* have observed. :)

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

I went down to Baltimore and saw exactly what...

I was told by Armyfree's "Neo-Con Propaganda" I would see...a bunch of youngsters, with the odd leather patched professorial sport coat here and there, having a party and screaming about taxing the rich and the need for more government to put and end to....ummm...the problems of more centralized government.

It's pretty easy to research...no need to waste your time, lots of pictures and video available. Google it.

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

ecorob's picture

a very nice and simplified explanation...

just what the dumbed down public like!

nothing to see here, move along

i'm disappointed that you only "mingled" with the masses but declined to get your hands dirty

why didn't you stay awhile? why didn't you protest a little for yourself?

why don't you go back and do that?

instead of, "nothing to see here, move along"?

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.