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Ron Paul and Occupy Wall Street together could change the world. New article!

Great article exploring the possibility of Ron Paul supporters joining forces with the Occupy Movement. I see some members here have increased their attacks on Occupy and the Americans involved. This is a shame. I do find it suspicious that these attacks mirror the language we are hearing from the neocon shills in the corporate media.

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/economy-a-budget/19208...

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Hey Speck errrr I mean

Hey Speck errrr I mean armyfree.. show me your receipt donating to the money bomb today. That will go a long ways to showing your true colors.

That's a No True Scotsman

That's a No True Scotsman logical fallacy...

Thanks js290, I'm glad this

thread is moving in a constructive direction.

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

Are we really so weak after all we have been through to

discourage changing the course of this OWS things, I mean it is really easy to hit this post with a vote down, but who on dailypaul has the guts to actually go to these things and make good things happen. We are not weak uneducated morons, we should be at these ralleys making things happen. I really thought we had some guts and some courage, Peter Schiff went down, or is it trolls marking this post down? Either us or them are going to sway this thing the right way, if we don't, these OWS things will become the marshall law designed to crush the r3VOLution. This is not the left going after the fake teaparty, it is the designed left going after the real teaparty, us!!!!

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

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Here is an interesting article that

details the kinds of specifics many DPrs have been asking for about Ron Paul supporters at OWS. The beginning will have you enraged, but try to make it to the end. the Ron Paul supporters provide a lesson in positive interaction with detractors, putting liberty ideas into direct, practical action, and learning better ways to dialogue and present ideas. Along the way they are presenting an example of the high road to low riders:
http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/news-and-opinion/133482558...

Thanks

“I really wish the Ron Paul group would start their own gig and just stay away from OWS,”

And then this comment:
“Thanks for this article, but to be clear - I think Ron Paul is more than not an anti-racist ally. I believe he has racist/white-supremacist views. He also wants to abolish minimum wage and doesn't support public education, major items the Occupy movement would disagree with.”

Pretty much says it all, doesn't it?

The article pretty much confirms what a lot of DPers have been saying. To the Occupiers who are willing to listen to Dr. Paul's views, that's great and I hope myself and others can help, but the majority seem to have very little in common with libertarians of any stripe.

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Is Armyfree the reincarnation of Paul Speck?

The Paul Speck quotes below are from a Zeitgeist:Moving Forward topic in the Daily Paul from February of this year.

There are dozens of these in this and other Zeitgeist-related posts. For weeks, Paul Speck compulsively insisted that RP supporters should unquestionably jump into the Zeitgeist movement. Those who tried to debate the issue or questioned his motives were dismissed as narrow-minded Christians, Holy rollers, or the Holy gang.

Armyfree, can you see a pattern here?

(Submitted by Paul Speck on Thu, 02/17/2011 - 12:06)
WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE YOU PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT?
Why does it seem to be the same small gang that makes these accusations? Have they done this to other members?

(Submitted by Paul Speck on Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:50)
NO, ITS SIMPLE
you got a "logic" spanking. Now go away.

(Submitted by Paul Speck on Thu, 02/17/2011 - 01:28)
SORRY FELLAS
just stay out of the thread if you're not interested. You WILL NOT censor this website. Get lost.

(Submitted by Paul Speck on Thu, 02/17/2011 - 12:04.)
WOW FIVE PEOPLE
dislike the topic of Zeitgeist on the DP. So the thread should be closed? Sorry, boys, there were many positive comments at the beginning of this thread. They were quickly buried by the same individuals you see now. Of course Sierra is leading the Holy pack. Stay out of the thread if you can't handle it.

(Submitted by Paul Speck on Tue, 02/15/2011 - 13:37)
SAD. THAT'S WHAT YOU GOT OUT OF HOURS
of interviews, etc. Sorry buddy. Zeitgeist embraces natural systems and all that implies. Your premise is still wrong and your train has now completely left the tracks. Have fun.

alright, I'll bite, what's the joke? Who is Paul Speck?

I'll assume he was a "commie".

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

Good question, Armyfree

A lot of the best and brightest DP members were asking the same question at the time. Whoever he was, he is certainly one of the most obnoxious, relentless, divisive and frustrating posters ever. He abruptly fell off the screen here. I assume he was finally banned by Mr. Nystrom.

I remember different theories. Some think he is a raging sociopath who is off his medication. Others suspected that he is a PSYOP propagandist, maybe in training to better spread derision at the DP when the campaign heats up. He kept bumping his own threads so much, he may suffer from Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD).

My theory is that he is the super-villain from DC Comics Superman books, the fifth-dimensional imp Mr. Mxyzptlk determined to undermine our hero, Dr. Paul.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Mxyzptlk

Mr Mxyzptlk can be stopped only by tricking him into saying or spelling his own name backwards.

Can you say "EER-FY-MRA", Armyfree?

lol.. nice

lol.. nice

Excellent article

It is very simple. Either we reach out and start appealing to a broader base or Ron Paul wont win. I guess all the people who are against this will rather be right than win. It's a shame.

The fact is that the majority of people still love the idea of big government. Public education/indoctrination is not easily reversed. We have to be patient and until then we should argue to progressives that Ron Paul is the only candidate who will end the wars, end the patriot act and fight crony capitalism. None of the other candidates will give them that. So where else can they turn for now?

Then when we have achieved that we can have a civilized discussion about the size and the role of government.

You're exactly right. The

You're exactly right. The militant Paulestinians should chill. Take a page out of Dr. Paul's playbook and learn to build coalitions. Ron Paul is the anti-Establishment candidate. It's the job of the RP supporters to convince the OWS people of this. It should not the job of RP supporters to tell OWS people they are "wrong." I agree with you, though Lars, that most RP supporters rather be "right" than win.

I agree and Ron Paul is the master of reaching out.

How can some of his supporters miss this important part of his character? This is WHY his message has spread so quickly. If Ron Paul had been like some of the members here and attacked people for their beliefs before he even knew the details, Ron Paul's career would have been over decades ago. Some members here have a lot to learn about what real Liberty is.

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

Multiple people have asked you to express your beliefs.

All you've done is change the subject and attempt to deflect, attack and spin the argument.

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

I find it funny the tiny gang

votes me down for praising Ron Paul.

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

tiny gang?

tiny gang?

Something you're missing

I'm kinda starting to believe that you may be handicapped mentally in some way.

They are voting you down because of comments like that. You're doing your best to tie them to hating Ron Paul. They don't like you. I don't like you and I don't believe you are a Ron Paul supporter in the slightest because EVERYTHING that comes from you is OWS this and OWS that.

Either you're intentionally trying to disrupt or you're just too stupid to understand what people are saying.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=qo8CmO...
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

I don't know who you are

but you don't need to make your points by being insulting. There's no need for you to call anyone here "stupid."

Sorry rp

but I see army as a person trying to help us to see the light in this OWS, and I see a person very dedicated to getting us to ralley behind making a difference on OWS. It is an audience that may listen to what we have to say, have you tried doing that one on one with someone, it usually does not work even one on one. I appreciate the angles we all try to make a difference in, army found his and it seems to be OWS, there is nothing wrong with that. WAHOR, we all have our roles(thanks Rhino), and I am fully behind any idea brought about with good intentions, and army I believe has good intentions. Keep kicking ass army, OWS can be a miserable failure if we all on here let it become one.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

I don't buy it.

"I see a person very dedicated to getting us to ralley behind making a difference on OWS."

This is the point that several people seem to be missing. It's not *what* one supports, but *how* one goes about it. Sorry, but Armyfree has brought on most of the shit he gets himself with the way he has acted toward those who disagree with him, even slightly.

Several posters who disagree with Armyfree have tried conversing with him-- some civil, some not so civil, and it's always met with the same result.

According to Armyfree, rp4pres making signs isn't good enough and not being in lockstep with OWS means he "works for Romney". Care to justify that argument, among the many other asinine arguments and accusations he has made?

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Thanks Tog. Occupy is ground-zero. It really is diverse

and the majority of the Americans understand they have been screwed by the political and banking class. Republican and Democrat. They need us and we need them. The NeoCon GOP leadership is going to kick Ron Paul to the curb. This process has already started. We need to cultivate a relationship with the Americans at Occupy now. The collapse is coming. Reaching out to them now is more honorable then after Ron Paul loses the nomination. They are putting themselves in danger and there ARE other groups trying to use this chaotic situation to their advantage. We have all worked too hard to let this opportunity slip away.

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

I've already mentioned on several occasions

What I think of OWS.. I don't see it as a complete waste. There is a possibility that we could change some minds and draw them here but that guy will never change anyone's mind telling people to get off of their lazy asses and all of the other negative comments he's made.

I stated some while back that I thought it was a good idea for people to investigate it for themselves.. Give it a shot and try it a few times. If people are receptive, great, stay awhile and influence.

If not, either move to another area or leave altogether.

Not all of us though agree that OWS is a good thing and I can understand why they feel that way because I also have some reservations about it.

The media isn't telling these kids I've heard to say the things they do. Most, I've heard was straight out gimme gimme and were pretty adamant about people owing them something.

That's why I understand how some are resisting.

What you've said is true, we don't all have to do the same thing, he needs to hear that as well but even then people are here to voice their ideas either for or against something.

We all know that people come here to cause turmoil so I can understand why some might also think along those lines as well with him. When someone doesn't do anything but beat a single drum about a topic, something is usually up.

Maybe I'm wrong on that but I haven't seen him interact with much of anything else.

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

hundreds of people visit this website.

ten people voting me down means NOTHING. I've had more then ten people support my threads. They are also attacked by the furious five DP members. There are Ron Paul supporters at Occupy. They are really good people and they support the message of Liberty. Demonizing them and the other Americans at the Occupy protest is despicable. If you don't like Occupy LEAVE the threads.

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

Yeah, I was once of them at one time

but alas, you attacked me too. lol

That's okay, I still support people going there despite some asshole that wouldn't even meet a fellow DP'er down at OWS.

OWS Ron Paul People are there I'm sure and I'm okay with more going with the idea of teaching but the socialists side of OWS IS there as well so you can't pretend it's not and we are probably way out numbered. It doesn't matter if they all occupy the FED or the White House... if the resounding message is give me some freebies and make him pay for it.. I'm going to be wary.

I'd rather spend my time handing out flyers at a mall or waving signs at traffic lights.

I'm sure I won't be drowned out by all the BAIL ME OUT signs that you drew with your crayons.

BTW... With your personality, I'm sure those ten will soon grow. For someone who pretends to want to change minds that's a shitty attitude.

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you fear being around Americans that

think differently than you. You find this scary. That is insecurity. I am confident in the Liberty message. I welcome the opportunity to meet with a diverse group of Americans and discuss solutions to the massive corruption infecting our system. The hardest part is digging out of the propaganda spread around by the corporate media and the neocons. It's important to grasp that most of the information you have recieved from these sources may be lies. That's why meeting other Americans face to face is so important. There is no other way. Placing each other in a little box will prevent unity. Without unity, we stay divided and they will use us like chess pieces against each other. We stop the game when we stop being pawns.

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

the socialist side of ows is

the socialist side of ows is financed by George Soros.

Ron Paul is friends with Kucinich.

Should we vote for Cain?

Ron Paul on Occupy Wall Street:
“But I think that the majority of them think government is the problem and taxes are too high and they know that the Federal Reserve plays a role in this, which, of course, is something I agree with.”

stevemt can u ban this idiot

at what point does idiocy and lack of english degree to respond constitute of trolling? this guy has the worst job of all ows sympathizers on the ron paul forums i have visited. other ows sympathizers on other ron paul forums actually can carry a productive discussion. he can't. he's actually doing ows a disservice. just stop commenting here guys. let him bump his own thread.

Nah, don't ban him. Here's why.

His presence is a constant reminder of how desperate the opponents of liberty are.

If the best he can do is tear down supporters for doing *actual* grassroots work rather than camp out at some silly big gov lovefest all day trying to convince people who have the lowest probability of accepting the message of liberty, then he has already lost the fight IMO.

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