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Information needed about contributions by non - americans

At times I am overwhelmed by the importance of this campaign to everyone's future. Not just for the US but for the world because once the cry of freedom is heard, it will resound. It must be heard.

I am confused about what kind of contributions are allowed by those of us who are not citizens or residents of the United States. I know we can't contribute directly to the campaign but is there any bar to any of the other drives going on (the blimp, newsapaper ads, etc) ?

I do e-mail and I talk to people and I write to our political parties and government representatives and media outlets about Ron Paul and the issues here but this is all indirect. While Canada needs a freedom movement NOW. I have come to see that the best way for it to happen is to directly promote Ron Paul.

Thanks!

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donations to campaign

maryj
Other than it is against the law, and that the campaign can be "fined much larger amounts" than the donations that come in, and that those responsible for rejecting illegal donations might
get to live in jail. Heck some of them might not even want to pay
a fine or go to jail.
What is holding back the wealthy in other countrys trying to donate to and influence our next president. It is the law.

Liberty is our campaigns gift to the world it is our manifest destiny.
Freedom is a movement who's time has come. Our campaign will lead world wide freedom.

Google Chipin or Chip in plus a State plus ron paul

I noticed If you google for example: Michigan+Chip in+Ron Paul, it finds meetups, groups, individuals etc. with a chip in set up for donations.

Have them support the Blimp or...

Call 4 Paul or they can also take out adds in papers...

See the blimp's own page

They can't. I don't know how many more times this needs to be said. We may not want it to be so, but it remains so, as long as the check-boxes on that donation page remain the same. A good way to ensure familiarity with such check-boxes is to give to the blimp yourself. You can't rely on foreigners, after all...
JMR

Foreign contributions

From the FEC:

The Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA) prohibits any foreign national from contributing, donating or spending funds in connection with any federal, state, or local election in the United States, either directly or indirectly. It is also unlawful to help foreign nationals violate that ban or to solicit, receive or accept contributions or donations from them. Persons who knowingly and willfully engage in these activities may be subject to fines and/or imprisonment.

Link: http://tiny.cc/v1f4U

Well?

Are you saying that no web site that runs articles and/or blog posts in support of a candidate can take donations from foreign nationals? In that case I guess there are some people in trouble.

Your linked source also says:

Generally, an individual may volunteer personal services to a federal candidate or federal political committee without making a contribution. The Act provides this volunteer "exemption" as long as the individual performing the service is not compensated by anyone.

This should imply that running blogs, organizing or participating in Meetups, writing articles, etc. in support of Dr. Paul is unproblematic -- at least as long as neither the campaign nor a PAC pays one for it.



J.K. Baltzersen
Mises Community profile

Pretty much

that's the case. Those with a green card can contribute. Others can contribute time and energy, as many of our foreign friends are already doing.

There is really no problem

There is really no problem as long as you don't donate directly to the campaign. LewRockwell.com is a tremendous place to donate as the site has been a great site for Dr. Paul for many, many years and has even lost their tax exempt status because of their refusal to stop supporting Ron Paul and are now hurting for money. They are one of the great site of freedom in the country.
www.paulforronpaul.com

THIS COMMENT CONTAINS FALSE INFORMATION

"There is really no problem as long as you don't donate directly to the campaign."

According to FEC regulations your sentence should read "...as long as you don't donate directly or indirectly to the campaign".

The source of this is the comment made by jcampbell right after yours in this thread.

fight4liberty

Send me a gift

of $1M in Canadien money and I will divvy it up in $2300 (US Dollars) increments to those RP fans who have not yet donated.lol

The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. James Madison

The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. James Madison

Patriotman you should read this as you are making unlawful offer

According to a comment made by pcampbell what you are promoting in your comment is against FEC regulations and is "subject to fines and/or imprisonment".

Read this comment:

Foreign contributions
On December 30th, 2007 pcampbell says:
From the FEC:

The Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA) prohibits any foreign national from contributing, donating or spending funds in connection with any federal, state, or local election in the United States, either directly or indirectly. It is also unlawful to help foreign nationals violate that ban or to solicit, receive or accept contributions or donations from them. Persons who knowingly and willfully engage in these activities may be subject to fines and/or imprisonment.

Link: http://tiny.cc/v1f4U

You might want to retract your unlawful offer (solicitation) made in your comment.

fight4liberty

Hehe

I have already attempted that, but not full blown. I was offering up a few things up on eBay where I would use the profit to fund the campaign, in hopes of getting some foreign bidders who supported Ron Paul. Unfortunately, I didn't have any takers(they were Wii games). Considering the impact of the US on the world, I believe they have a right to financially voice their opinion. I am also a bit of an anarchist so I don't really care what the FEC says.

Chip In dot Com?

There are a bunch of independent operations using "chip-in" collection as the way they are funding their endeavors. I just donated to one and it did not ask for my name/SS#/occupation/workplace/citizenship. Since these are all private exchanges of money for private purchases of services, I think you can donate to them.

And...THANK YOU!

We love that our Dr. Paul is inspiring the world to get behind his message and we love to have fellow revolutionaries, no matter what nation they are from!

Until the Election is Won!
Chaplain Steve
Ron Paul - Lion of the Constitution

Until the Election is Won!
Chaplain Steve
Ron Paul - Lion of the Constitution

Donating to LRC lewrockwell.com for foreign nationals

Seems to me to be a wonderful idea, and I can't conceive of this as having any legal issues.

I'm pretty sure that non-Americans can buy merchandise

...from RP's website. Aside from that, they can contribute to the different chipIn projects independent of the official campaign.

Collectivism is slavery.

Collectivism is slavery.

You Can't

I'm sure people are encouraged that the campaign is inspiring to those outside of the United States, but foreigners cannot contribute to the candidates or any PAC or other political committee. As for the blimp, I would recommend abiding by their policies. They are flirting with the edges of campaign finance law and it's best that people don't add to the potential challenge they are going to face.

The best thing I'd suggest is talking to any Americans that you know and telling them why you think they should consider Ron Paul.

Donate to LRC

LewRockwell.com (LRC) is a political site edited by a friend and former aide of Ron Paul, Lew Rockwell.

LRC gave up its tax-exempt status as of July to be able to campaign freely for Ron Paul. There is even a separate Ron Paul File at LRC.

LRC is primarily for an American audience, but it does also have articles on non-American topics. It promotes liberty across the globe, and it is not a pure Ron Paul site.

Anyone may donate to LRC.

Please find publisher Burt Blumert's appeal here.



J.K. Baltzersen
Mises Community profile

Start a grass roots organization in your country.

and support businesses that support the Ron Paul principles of freedom.

There are hundreds of websites that are private and work towards a mutual goal. Anyone can purchase items on the Internet. Anyone can purchase their newsletter. Subscribe, every eyeball counts. Distribute LRC's name and contribute, he is independent and not Ron Paul related when it comes to a Political action committee.

You can then donate them to a worthwhile cause.

Look at chip ins. You do not have to be an Amercian to own an American Express, Visa or Master Card.

Do it in small increments, the Internet has no borders.

Visit e-bay, support and purchase Ron Paul items.

Be creative.

LRC is a world treasure

LewRockwell.com is an amazing treasure trove of knowledge. If you want to help this movement, and you can't contribute to Dr. Paul, please consider sending to LewRockwell.com. There's also Mises.org

Also, while you are there, please check into writings by Dr. Walter Block and Gary North.

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"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." - Samuel Adams

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"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." - Samuel Adams

Send personal gifts to Ron Paul and Tom Lyman

This is still a free country despite McCain and Thompson's best efforts to squelch free speech. You are free to distribute your wealth to whomever you want to, no matter where in the world you live. Send them personal gifts. they will know what to do with to do with it.

Plano TX

Great idea - put Ron Paul in jail.

Ron Paul will know what to do with your gift. He will send it back to you.

Non US residents definitely

Non US residents definitely cannot give money to the campaign. They definitely can give to the blimp, or any other organization which is not connected to the campaign. The blimp people (AFAIK) have never even spoken to the campaign. Just a group of people exersizing free speech.

And you are definitely wrong.

The foreign national issue with regards to the blimp was discussed extensively by the blimpfolk. I posted the extract from ronpaulforums.com where Katharine Memole talks about this. Also, there was a page (since removed, where the blimp company lawyers talked about this.

I'm too lazy to go back and find the links - I've done this about five times now in response to the same issue that keeps being posted - you can go to ronpaulforums.com and search the blimp threads yourself.

That's the purpose of that checkbox on ronpaulblimp.com that says

"I am a U.S. individual"

http://www.ronpaulblimp.com

Try to donate, but leave that box unchecked and see what happens.
(It does not let you go through).

I don't think that foreign nationals can help (or should).

Consider maybe a country like Saudi or Venezuela laying down a cool billion to help a candidate.

In any case, I did some searching:

http://www.fec.gov/pdf/nongui.pdf

This is a 2005 FEC publication on "Non-connected committees", which, as far as I know, means a PAC.

So see Chapter 4, Section 3:16 (page 16 on the PDF document).

Foreign Nationals:

Foreign nationas are prohibited from making contributions, donations, or expenditures in connection with any election - federal, state, or local. Also, foreign nationals may not donate to any part committee building fund or fund electioneering communications 110.20.

The Act prohibits knowingly soliciting, accepting, or receiving contributions or donations from foreign nationals....

and then it goes on in the next page (page 17) to talk about the definition of a foreign national.

The blimp folk have said that ad purchases from a foreign national are also a no-no.

thanks...that pretty much sums it up

back to writing emails

cw

oops sorry triple post

cw

cw

thanks...that pretty much sums it up

back to writing emails

cw

Anyone can give money to resident or citizens with which they

can contribute to Ron Paul. If you live here you do not have to be a citizen to donate to the campaign. The limit to the official campaign is $2300 per person
but unlimited to grass roots campaigners such as the blimp, call for Paul etc...

just to clarify...

For those of us who do not live in the states, is giving money directly to the Blimp organizers (for example) the same as giving it to citizens, residents etc.?

cw