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Can Catholics, protestants and atheists stand together for Ron Paul?

In another post, I asked my fellow Catholic brothers and sisters in Christ to ask for the intercession of a certain Saint to help keep Ron Paul safe and continued success. It wasn't long before the thread became a flame board of insults and a war zone. I encourage forgiveness of all involved and unity among people of all different beliefs, that share this critical common goal. As for me, I ask the forgiveness of my protestant and atheist brothers and sisters offended by my call to Catholics to ask for the intercession of a Saint for the common goal of Ron Paul 2012. I meant to start no war among those who share the important belief that only Ron Paul can save this desperate nation.

I sort-of regret going public in a plea to other Catholics, but I thought that the entire concept of Ron Paul meant absolute liberty and freedom to worship as we choose, or not at all. I was a little surprised to find a measure of intolerance, when in my view, Catholics, protestants and atheists alike, should find a way to look past our differences, even embrace the differences and stand shoulder to shoulder for liberty in support of Ron Paul.

The Ron Paul R3volution IS freedom and liberty, which includes the freedom to worship under different faiths, or none at all. I will never come to this forum with any intent to prosthelytize or convert others to my faith. I pray every day that people of all faiths, and those with none at all, can stand in complete harmony for the common goal of restoring this great, but desperate and divided nation. In my view, Catholics, protestants, fundamentals and atheists alike all need each other, because we all need Ron Paul as President, like we've never needed him before.

Who's with me?




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until then.

cheers

Dan

We can only be kept in the cages we do not see. - Stefan Molyneux

You are a function of what the whole universe is doing in the same way that a wave is a function of what the whole ocean is doing. - Alan Watts

I understand

I have trouble, as well, not calling out pagan nonsense.

It's tough. We will survive.

LOL Right on brother.

Onward Ron Paul Soldiers!!

We can only be kept in the cages we do not see. - Stefan Molyneux

You are a function of what the whole universe is doing in the same way that a wave is a function of what the whole ocean is doing. - Alan Watts

We are already standing together.

Can't be worrying about a few nitwits.

I am with you . . .

I wasn't involved in that "thread"; I didn't see it. I'm not Catholic, but I am a Christian (involved in another denomination) with close family and friends who are Catholic.
I admire them, and I 'understand' saints--:)

I would have come on and said, "yes, *I* will join you!"--

I am sad that I got embroiled in an 'argument' on another thread about Carol Paul and her daughters/granddaughters "for Christians"--

I spoke up and said I was concerned about its being limited to Christians; it seemed exclusive to me, but I felt I could do that, being Christian.

I offended the OPer, and I apologized, but I never had my apology accepted.

I admire decent atheists. I admire people of 'faith'--

I happen to have known good Bhuddists, good Jews and good Muslims--and I think I even knew a Hindu or two (long ago; I don't recall that they were very 'open' about their faith)--

and I truly believe in unity.

Thank you.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Absolutely!

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If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

The following two statements stand together and are both true.

God does not exist.
God Is!
grant

Here's a new Blog I created called "Ron Paul the Lunatic"...

I am a Catholic American Patriot who defends Ron Paul from a mostly philosophical perspective. Here's the link:

http://ronpaulthelunatic.wordpress.com/2011/12/19/secularism...

"To live without a steady struggle for the Truth, that is not living but merely existing" -Piere Giorgio Frassatti

Just for clarification.

When you say you are a Catholic, you mean you are a Roman Catholic?
grant

yes sir,

Roman all the way !

"To live without a steady struggle for the Truth, that is not living but merely existing" -Piere Giorgio Frassatti

Thanks.

Just wanted to be sure. I too am Catholic, just not Roman.
grant

I'm an evangelical

And I didn't find your post offensive at all. Your faith is between you and God. I'll be happy to tell you about mine if you ask me, but in this arena let's focus on what we agree on - scaling back totalitarianism and election a constitutional candidate like Ron Paul!

Never

You're never going to unite people by focusing on their differences.

Christian? Great.
Jew? Great.
Muslim? Great.
Hindu? Great.
Athiest? Great.
Black? Great.
White? Great.
Whatever? Great.

Check your bags at the door and focus on the single thing at hand: Getting Dr. Paul elected.

Real talk: You're never going to convince someone with diametrically opposing religious beliefs that you're right and they're wrong. Get over it. Get over yourself. And get on with getting Dr. Paul elected president!

Chuck Balwin

wrote a column awhile back expressing similar sentiment. He said it was remarkable that atheists are coming out for truth while many Christians sit complacent about the froward actions of their government.

I saw your post last night, but didn't get to comment. I strongly believe we need to pray that RP gets Andrew Jackson's guardian angels, iykwim.

As a fundamental, I only pray to Jesus (he's able to handle the massive prayer flow), but who doesn't know by now that Catholics believe in interceding saints. Why make a big point of it, sheesh!

We need to stick together here on earth from the massive tyranny threat we face. It's a big part of the witness, imo.

God has made you 'Free' to 'Be' --- It's called 'LIBERTY' !!

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent."

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Hopkinson, March 13, 1789

And can we add

Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, Mormons, New Agers, and people of all types and degrees of faith?

When I saw the title of your other post, my first thought was "Oh, Oh, is he going to get it from the fundamentalists!" I completely forgot about the atheists and agnostics. I am not picking on fundamentalists, atheist, agnostics or adherents of any other belief systems here. I am speaking specifically of those who, regardless of stated belief system, are obnoxiously intolerant of anyone elses beliefs. I have encountered tolerant people of all stated beliefs, as well as intolerant people of all stated beliefs. Please, let's keep it civil, and live and let live.

One indication of how sincere and comfortable a person is with their own religious beliefs is that that person is not obnoxious about them. There is room for proselytizing and conversion without screaming "you are so ungodly" or "you are so irrational." Liberty is beneficial to all honest people, and does not discriminate based on race, ethnicity, or creed. We on the DP are united in our good will toward others.

wise words . . .

my experience is similar to yours.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Thanks for both pitches, especially this one.

I would have been fine with an appeal for Muslim prayer, Jewish prayer, Buddhist prayer, shamanist prayer, or you name it. I don't see why any mature person would overlook the wishes for Dr. Paul's safety and seize the opportunity to dump on a different set of religious doctrines from their own. Are we not for religious freedom in America? Don't we value that quality? If so then we should be respectful of others.

New Hampshire and Ecuador.

Of course we can. Hopefully

Of course we can. Hopefully Ron Paul supporters will never ever become just another group that demands uniformity in thought and seeks to impose a particular culture on everyone. One of hte things that I love about the whole libertarian/Ron Paul revolution is that it brings together old saintly grandmothers with young dope smokers, businessmen who are tired of being regulated to death, white people, black people, hispanic and Asian, all cultures and religions or lack thereof.

If Catholic Ron Paul supporters call for prayer, or Buddhist Ron Paul supporters call for meditation or atheist Ron Paul supporters call for, well, whatever it is they like to do, then good for them all.