The Long Road to a Brokered Convention

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I have encountered a repeated theme: that the time to donate is now, that time is almost out, that Iowa and New Hampshire are the last final push.

There's some truth to that, of course. If Ron Paul doesn't place second (or higher) in both Iowa and New Hampshire, he's toast. But even if Ron Paul won both Iowa and New Hampshire, it would be only the beginning of a very long and very hard campaign that, at best, would lead to a brokered convention.

The GOP changed its rules from a winner-take-all delegate system to more of a proportional one (primaries held after March are still winner-take-all). Let's break down the numbers:

  • Total Delegates at stake: 2,288
  • Total Delegates at stake before April 1 (proportional): 1227
  • Total Delegates at stake after April 1 (winner-take-all): 1061

If history repeats itself and the 'front-runner' receives 40% of the vote before April 1st, then the front-runner will only receive 490 delegates.

  • Total Delegates needed to clinch nomination: 1,144
  • Total Delegates needed by front-runner after April 1: 654

Looking at the rest of the schedule by month, we see this:

  • Delegates at stake in April: 329
  • Delegates at stake in May: 277
  • Delegates at stake in June: 405

This means there is no way for the front-runner to clinch the nomination before June. There simply aren't enough delegates. He can certainly run away with the election, but he can't clinch it.

What this means is that April is the make or break month, not January, not February, not March. The nomination process that caused McCain to get seventy percent of the delegates with only forty percent of the popular vote in 2008 no longer exist.

This is encouraging news! But it should also be sobering news. It means that if the GOP continues to be divided over Romney (and do we see this changing?), that the race will be in question late into May and into June.

The nomination, as it turns National, will ultimately hinge on money. This means Mitt Romney and someone else. This means that raising money for Ron Paul takes on paramount importance (after winning or placing in Iowa and New Hampshire).

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What Proportionality? GOP

What Proportionality? GOP Primaries Still Essentially Winner-Take-All

As we head into a new year — and as Republican primary voters finally start heading to the polls — the questions of delegate math could start to matter if no single candidate is able to easily run away with the big prize in the early going.

And despite previous talk of proportional representation in the March contests — an effort to prolong the nomination race, and prevent one candidate from sewing it up based on pluralities — it might not mean much at all. An analysis by Josh Putnam of the actual, final delegate selection plans for each state shows that the states have adhered just closely enough to the rules, and taken advantage of some loopholes, so as to make the changes virtually meaningless.

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/12/what-proportionali...

How will RP and supporters/voters

get around this"?

www.lewrockwell.com/rep2/how-to-steal-gop-nomination.html

I'm asking in all seriousness. It seems highly problematic and I wonder what the campaign's official stance is on this?

"For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged, by better information or fuller consideration, to change opinions, even on important subjects, which I once thought right but found to be otherwise." - Benjamin Franklin

Wouldn't it be funny if...

if we held a money bomb on April 15th? I know I am getting ahead of myself but the theme is just too perfect. Plus, we make it known that the money is coming directly from our tax returns and right into his campaign. The timing could not be more perfect and the irony is too sweet to pass up. Plus, if we plant the idea now, people can plan accordingly with their finances. With his popularity growing, I have no doubt that it would shatter the record with ease.

I know its off topic, but I thought with the timeframe outlined by the OP, my mind started racing with ideas.

Nevermind that now...off to order some more brochures.

It has been said before but bears repeating

Dr. Paul needs as many DELEGATES as possible on his side. Please learn about how and sign up to be a delegate in your state.

Ron Paul to a brokered convention

Here's the deal folks - I didn't run to be the VP, get a cabinet job or make a deal at the convention. I ran to win and to restore America. You cannot win without the votes of my supporters and the only result I will accept or endorse here is the nomination. Anything short of that and I am going third party and either I will win or you will get Obama for four more years.

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Winner take all...

... in Florida and South Carolina... January 31 and January 21 respectively.

Seems the GOP can't follow its own rules.

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morning

bump

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Cedar Park, Texas

5 Aug 2007

why Iowa is the most

Here's the catch...Romney is

Here's the catch...Romney is going to lose big in Iowa, and if he loses in New Hampshire his campaign is over.

Who do you think independents in New Hampshire are going to vote for?

Sorry, but if Mitt can't win up north, he's never going to win a single southern state. Romney did not win a single southern state primary/caucus election in 2008.

Romney will bow out of the race if he does not win in New Hampshire.

Wishful thinking...

Romney's got lots of money. I can imagine him spending several million of his stack-o-cash in S. Carolina and Florida.

Florida is especially schizo and could go for anyone.

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Republican Sheeple will kick in on Super Tuesday

They look and vote for whom ever "won" the first 3 ...Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina (and perhaps Florida). Thus whom ever the winner is from those 3 or 4, so will the Republican Sheeple follow..... for they always say "I do not want to waste my vote".

South Carolina is the battlefield now.

Treg

After reading ALL of this...

...I hope we know WHY Ron Paul has not "completely ruled out" a 3rd Party/Independent run!!!

Can he take all his moneybomb money with him if the writing on the wall says the GOP party bosses will NOT let the delegates vote for him???

I think I know where this is headed; we have been debating this for 3 years; how many believe restoration of the Republican Party under the principles of Ron Paul's domestic and foreign policy is possible? I do not...Mark Kirk, the guy who schooled Bernake about debt-free money under Andrew Jackson just endorsed Romney yesterday!!!

The GOP at large does not want to cut ONE TRILLION dollars from the Federal Budget, nor STOP the undeclared wars...

Yes, we will see what happens in each state; but depending how far it goes, I hope the GOP unmasks themselves to the public at large as the equal-half of a two-party communist ologarchy that they are as they display their unreasonable dismissal of Dr. Paul's fiscal conservatism and Christian ideals as relates to just war theory, liberty, and peace on Earth!

I am ready for anything!

A few answers

If Ron Paul exits the race he can put the funds into anything he wants. Last election he decided to put that money towards launching Campaign For Liberty.

As far as third parties in the event he runs there are laws in a couple of states where he wouldn't be able to gain votes in the Republican Primary and be on the ballot in that state as a third party candidate in November. Off the top of my head two of the states are Pennsylvania and Texas, but I'm not sure all of them. That doesn't mean he can't run as a Republican and then go third party, it means if a particular state has their primary and he is still running as a Republican that he can't be on the ballot in November as a third party candidate.

The other thing I would mention which on the surface is a positive: Ron Paul is running around 12% nationally right now and technically for a third party candidate to get in the general election debates they have to have 15%. So if Ron Paul is running nationally at around 12% right now as a Republican it's not a stretch to say he could reach 15% among the whole country particularly in the beginning stages. The problem is companies that do the polling would have to include Ron Paul in their polls to give him a chance which isn't a given.

let's hope the GOP "faithful"...

...decide he is their Barry Goldwater/Ronald Reagan then(and don't play this status quo game and go with Romney!!!)

I wanted to add a comment

I think the focus needs to be on Iowa and New Hampshire right now and I would highly recommend people donate what they can to the New Hampshire Super Brochures. This entire cycle we have seen 3 or 4 Presidential Candidates rise in the polls and come back down for no apparent reason. It's not because of a rockstar debate performance or some powerful ad that shakes the nation - it's largely people being swayed by the media. A very good number of people simply vote for who the media tells them to generally correlating with who they perceive has the best chance to win.

All indications are that Ron Paul is going to win Iowa and we see the media trying to tear his success down. When Iowa comes and goes and Ron Paul wins it isn't going to be a surprise that the media will try to discourage his momentum and brainwash people about his chances. A week will pass and New Hampshire comes along, and if Ron Paul doesn't do well (first or extremely close second) the media will justify their remarks that Ron Paul was a fluke and I think our chances of winning overall become very low because now the media is going to focus on the winner of New Hampshire and 'the people' who only vote for 'winners' will go with who they're told.

However, if Ron Paul wins Iowa and then wins New Hampshire which no one in the media is expecting there would be two weeks before the next state votes where the media would either be forced to talk about him or try to ignore him and start to really expose their agenda to the people who generally rely on them to pick a candidate. I think if Ron Paul wins in Iowa and New Hampshire it will send a powerful message to people who are not 100% about who to pick to look into what Ron Paul is about and the momentum of people who choose the 'frontrunner' will mostly follow him by default and the momentum will be powerful.

The bottomline to me is: If Ron Paul gets first in both states, we have a really good chance since there will be a few weeks for those wins to absorb before the next votes take place which will give him strong momentum. But if he wins Iowa and doesn't win New Hampshire or come extremely close then all the momentum of people who coast with the projected winner will go away from Ron Paul. The latter may not be a problem if we had someone like Ross Perot backing us financially where we could handout Super Brochures to everyone and reach every state in the country, but with negative momentum against us and no real solid campaigning in the other states after New Hampshire we are basically hopeless fighting against the mainstream media machine.

I wish it weren't the case, but the mainstream media does still have a lot of push and we saw it last election. That's why I would strongly encourage everyone to focus all of their donations towards the New Hampshire Super Brochure. I'm willing to hear alternative views, but momentum is the name of the game from what I've observed and the reality is: Ron Paul isn't going to get any favors from the mainstream media because he is going up against a system worth billions of dollars in lobbyists and special interests.

If Ron Paul is President he is going to tear a lot of the corrupt structure in Washington down so they are going to fight like crazy to make sure he gets no media or political establishment favors. If you don't want to pay towards the Super Brochure then do something that benefits New Hampshire specifically. Maybe you can make phone calls or go door to door, but I think that has to be the focus. Becoming a delegate and all that is great, but I really believe we need to keep pushing until we are winning in New Hampshire.

Amen

I agree completely!

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How does one

become a delegate in New York State ?

Ron Swanson

delegates

Great question! First step is to sign up here. If you are not contacted in a couple days, start calling the nearest RP state office. Be persistent.
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/sign-up-as-volunteer/

Thanks for getting involved to learn about the only thing that matters: DELEGATES

google it for your state (everyone)

Here in Texas, you vote in the primary election and they give you a little slip of paper to prove you voted. Then, immediately after the polls close, the precinct convention gets underway. They vote on resolutions that the attendees suggest and elect delegates to the senatorial district convention to be held a few weeks later. At that one, among other things, they elect state delegates. And, of course, at the state convention, they elect the national delegates.

Of course, the process is likely different in NY.

Having lived in NYC all my

Having lived in NYC all my life, I would have to guess some sort of contract signed in blood or slaughtering a lamb to an effigy of the W or some such.

LOLOLOL!

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“None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free.” – Goethe

Lessons learned from 07-08

Ron Paul supporters need to become delegates now. It is vitally important we remember the lessons learned from the past. The GOP hates most of us, that is very important to remember. When supporters go to the local GOP meetings to become delegates remember to be polite, don't wear any Ron Paul t-shirts, sweaters, hats, pins, nothing. If someone asks you can always say you are not 100% decided on who you want but you are taking a close look at all of them. Depending on how hostile the organizers are towards Paul, you might even declare you are looking at Romney, Perry, or whomever. We need delegates and the GOP will be fighting tooth and nail now not to allow Ron Paul supporters into the delegate process. Please use your head when going to meetings, be tactful, optimistic, and become one of them. It will be a smoother ride than it was last time, we just need to out-fox these entrenched criminals, beat them at their own game. Cheers!!

Tell them you'll support

"whoever has the best chance to beat Obama".

Focus indeed!

With such a confusing nomination process, we'll look to follow the lead advice of people in the know of the process. With such a long road, and with the GOP probably planning to change things along the way to trip up Ron Paul, we'll have to stay focused on one fight at a time. Already, with some confidence in Iowa, we need to hit hard in N.H., and gear up for Fl and SC. I'm thinking Ron Paul will build steam and network over the course of the process, causing much problem for Mitt and GOP. Just like a football game, one first down at a time will win the game. Having said all that, you really have to admire Ron Paul for undertaking such a monumental task!

alan laney

It can be very confusing for sure

We have the technology. We can read a license plate from space. Why dont they just designate a day for each of the candidates to wander outside, all meet in the nearest field and then send a satelite over and get a show of hands from each candidates supporters lol

Feb. 15 is the deadline in Massachusetts to register....

...as a Republican if you want to help get Ron Paul supporters to the caucuses on June 7, 2012. Delegates from Mass. will be selected by caucus voters in each congressional district.

Each state has different rules.

We need the delegates to win

We need the delegates to win at convention. The truth is that getting RP the nomination via the general election process is an uphill battle due to all of the forces working to stop us. Our only hope is to flood the delegate process and take the convention.

Bump

Eye opener.

PRESIDENT RON PAUL

I am not sure of the outcome

I am not sure of the outcome at the Convention because things have a way of changing over time. I am prepared to donate to the campaign for the long haul -- something every month. The Ron Paul movement is gaining national power every day -- stay the course.

Texas primary date has been changed.

Does this take into account that Texas will now hold their primary April 3rd? As per a Federal judge ruling a few days ago...

So it had been previously scheduled for March, proportional, but will now be winner-take-all in April.
This changes some of the math, especially since Paul is from Texas.