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Ron Paul Schools Mitt Romney on the Budget: CNN Debate

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Great moment

Was watching this with my dad (a Romney supporter). He wasn't too happy after this debate.

We can only be kept in the cages we do not see. - Stefan Molyneux

You are a function of what the whole universe is doing in the same way that a wave is a function of what the whole ocean is doing. - Alan Watts

why not

.

Because

Dr. Paul did so well. And because Romney was just acting as a shill for AIPAC, just as I told my dad he would.

We can only be kept in the cages we do not see. - Stefan Molyneux

You are a function of what the whole universe is doing in the same way that a wave is a function of what the whole ocean is doing. - Alan Watts

but don't most romney supporters already know that

he's as establishment as it gets.. the idea they're expecting something fresh from him is just strange. i think paul gave a very dire picture of the us' future.. i was thinking people might leave the debate not happy because of a sense of despair paul successfully delivered, not because his candidate didn't perform well. despair might be what's effective in telling people to quit, more than any other logical reasons.

idk why my dad likes romney.

he (my dad) says he likes small government etc but somehow thinks Romney is the best person to beat Obama. That and he hates that Dr. Paul wants to decriminalize drugs. I've been over every argument with him concerning the war on drugs to no avail. My dad is illogical and inconsistent in his beliefs, as are most conservatives.

As to Dr. Paul's message leaving a sense of despair, I prefer truth to platitudes.

We can only be kept in the cages we do not see. - Stefan Molyneux

You are a function of what the whole universe is doing in the same way that a wave is a function of what the whole ocean is doing. - Alan Watts

Ron Paul Wants The Drug Issue To Be Up To The States

Not sure if this will help convince your dad but Ron Paul basically said that he doesn't want the Federal government overriding the decisions of the states. So, for example, if California wants to legalize medical marijuana then Dr. Paul wouldn't override their decision (which would be unconstitutional anyway).

He is against the federal war on drugs however. He argues that there are tons of people in jail for non-violent drug offenses but when they get out of jail, they become violent.

For the rest of this post, this is just my own perspective. I think it overlaps with Ron Paul but I'm not 100% certain. Making drugs illegal creates a very profitable business for drug cartels. The people who would be MOST upset if drugs were legalized would be the heads of drug cartels because they would basically lose their entire business. Marijuana is also less dangerous than alcohol and prescription drugs (a sentence that I think Ron Paul even said in the most recent debate). Plus people are able to get marijuana (and other drugs) despite them being illegal (again, something Dr. Paul said).

I agree with you 110%!

My dad doesn't care about that our logical stance on drugs. He hates hippies. He grew up in Chicago, and as a teen, got on a bus to go to Grant Park during the '68 DNC convention so he could help crack hippie skulls. I'm not a fan of his methods, but I'm no hippie lover either. Trust me, I've used EVERY angle there is to sway his opinion about the federal war on drugs. He doesn't want to change. This, I'm afraid, is the mentality of the majority of the GOP, and the nation as a whole.

We can only be kept in the cages we do not see. - Stefan Molyneux

You are a function of what the whole universe is doing in the same way that a wave is a function of what the whole ocean is doing. - Alan Watts

Ask him if he'd get on a bus to the hospice center

to crack some terminal cancer patients' skulls.

Your dad sounds like my dad.

Your dad sounds like my dad. I never understood why he has all the small government rhetoric but only likes smaller government when it's something he doesn't support. Neocons are very inconsistant and illogical to me. He claims to not trust the government to run our lives and yet the military, CIA and police can do no wrong. I've never understood why government is so incompetent that they cannot be trusted with healthcare or schooling and yet suddenly infallible when it comes to hurting and killing people? As long as government is wielding pepper spray, an apache helicopter or an assassination drone they are automatically heroes who must not be questioned.

Both of your dad's

sound identical to much of my family. It's not impossible, but it can be very difficult to reach them on an intellectual level because they suffer from a disjunction in their thought processes.

If they are like mine, they still view the government as a benevolent source or entity. They fail to recognize the true nature of the state and all that this implies. For example, they probably believe government produces law and order when this is actually demonstrably false.

Typically these things manifest themselves in their thought processes by violating the law of non-contradiction: A = A. In their minds, A can = non-A. They do not "see" the absurdity.

Hang in there no matter what; you both seem relatively bright and you may make the difference yet. I know how it is...

"For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged, by better information or fuller consideration, to change opinions, even on important subjects, which I once thought right but found to be otherwise." - Benjamin Franklin

i guess every time i open my mouth about ron paul

i give a pompous speech about his principle and steadfastness against corruption, rather than going on and on about the details of his policy. the way i was raised, it involved a lot of talking and negotiating, so i guess i have some natural instincts and therefore techniques when it comes to talking in front of a live person (i'm much more unhinged on the net) when necessary. i guess i focus on his principles when instinct tells me the person cares and is attached more to a display of courage and/or has a short attention span or has a lack of interest for too many details.

a general rule of thumb is a younger person is more interested in details and technicalities, so it's better to sound off with a major paul advantage and focus on one issue that the person is bound to care about, such as job seeking, or lowering university cost, rather than focusing on generalities. an older person generally has lived his age past a lot of confusion and dualities on issues. they're often confused and don't have much principle, since they have had to go so far without much aid from unilateral principles, and people all around them who lack spine seem to get around fine, which is what environment essentially the boomer and x generations grew up under. let's face it, they had it a lot easier given their economic environment. you didn't have to do much thinking when almost every profession you went into is in a virtual boom and stock market soared for 2 decades straight with one bubble after another. there was not much to do wrong. to them, speaking of paul's rarity in courage and just hit on it at every corner is better than dwelling on issues, any issue at all.

lol thanks

for your validation. I suppose I consider myself relatively bright...

Levity aside, I, too, appreciate your willingness to put yourself at odds with your family in the hopes of pulling the wool from their eyes. Thanks.

We can only be kept in the cages we do not see. - Stefan Molyneux

You are a function of what the whole universe is doing in the same way that a wave is a function of what the whole ocean is doing. - Alan Watts

Please let me have all of your dads emails...ha ha

My dad loves Ron Paul, BUT get this last election, no kidding he voted for ....Obama....omg!

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The #1 issue for neocons right now is

who has the best shot at beating Obama. I was working the polls on Election Day and I heard that message over and over. They would support a coffee table if that offered the best shot at winning the White House.

We need to get the word out to the neocons that RP will attract so many Independents (and even some Democrats) next November that he is our best shot at unseating Obama.

Totally agree! I honeslty

Totally agree! I honeslty think that if the republican party nominated Karl Marx then most republicans would vote for him because even if we have to be communists the most important thing is to beat team blue!

For the U's

For the conservative unaffiliateds I meet, this is the talk I use. When they agree, I then twist their arm to register R to influence the R party. Right now, get registered R and participate for Ron Paul.

Romney got owned

and he knew it....

Reminds me of the line from the "Plastic Men" ad:

"Why would you want the student when you can have the teacher?"

Go to the back of the class Mitt....

"For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged, by better information or fuller consideration, to change opinions, even on important subjects, which I once thought right but found to be otherwise." - Benjamin Franklin

Ron is a teacher, but I don't buy Mitt as a student

I'd phrase it "Why choose the sizzle when you can have the steak?".

You're right. It never does

You're right. It never does get old.

I think that litttle exchange was the most powerful thing...

...for RP in the whole debate.

It shows that he is the only one that would actually cut the budget... not just cutting the proposed increases... but actually cutting the budget.

And the emotion when he said, "We'd better wake up."

Priceless.

I guarantee this got some fiscal conservatives to turn our way.

Our momentum is growing

We're doing the right things and our numbers are growing. Let's keep the revolution going!

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Ron's right...again.

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