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Is the Patriot Act Unpatriotic?

Republican presidential hopefuls Newt Gingrich and Ron Paul had an interesting exchange at the National Security Debate hosted by CNN on November 22nd. Not surprisingly, Gingrich supported the Patriot Act, going so far as to say that it should be "strengthened." Paul argued that "the Patriot Act is unpatriotic," because the legislation undermines American liberties. He thinks it should be abolished. Both men did well making their points and each got enthusiastic applause from their supporters. But who was right?

At first glance, it might have seemed as if Paul had stumbled into a "gotcha" by bringing up Timothy McVeigh. In supporting his assertion that one must never give up liberty for security, Paul argued that Timothy McVeigh, the terrorist who blew up a federal building in Oklahoma City in 1995, was prosecuted, convicted, and executed under the existing laws, without the "tools" that the Patriot Act provides to law enforcers. Gingrich replied:

"Timothy McVeigh succeeded. That's the whole point. Timothy McVeigh killed a lot of Americans. I don't want a law that says after we lose a major American city, we're sure going to come and find you. I want a law that says, you try to take out an American city, we're going to stop you."

Paul responded:

"This is like saying we want a policeman in every house, a camera in every house, because we want to prevent child beating and wife beating. You can prevent crimes by becoming a police state. So, if you advocate the police state, yes, you can have safety and security and you might prevent a crime, but the crime then will be against the American people and against our freedoms and we will throw out so much of what our revolution was fought for. So don't do it so carelessly."

It is likely that uncommitted observers - those not passionately for Paul or Gingrich - thought that both men made good points and that the right answer is "somewhere in the middle." To be moderate is always viewed as being more reasonable. But is that really true? I believe that the question debated here between Paul and Gingrich is a fundamental question and compromise is impossible. To use a well-worn but appropriate cliche, Gingrich wants America to cross the Rubicon. Once we do, there is no going back.

The crux of the matter is preemptive government. Not just preemptive war, but the ability of the government to act preemptively in any situation. Paul takes the libertarian position that is based upon the non-aggression principle. Government force may never be employed against anyone until that person has invaded the person or property of another. Gingrich takes the more Hobbesian-conservative position: if the government is not all-powerful, we will all be killed.

If "patriotic" means the love of one's country's ideals, the highest being liberty for Americans, then you have to agree with Paul. That's because not only is non-aggression the libertarian position, it's the founding principle underlying the Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights. The meaning of the word "liberty" is to be free from coercion, which is free from other people initiating force against you. Once the government or anyone else is legally empowered to do so, rather than limited to responding with force in defense against an aggression that you've already committed, then liberty as Thomas Jefferson understood it is gone.

Non-aggression is the concept expressed in the statement that "no person shall be...deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law." In other words, the government can't use force against you until it is not only asserted but proven that you have committed an aggression against the person or property of someone else.

If you're reading this to mean that the government is powerless against individuals until after they've committed a crime, then you're correct. That is the price of liberty and there really is no way to compromise it. Force must always be initiated by someone. To be free means that it is never initiated against the innocent, at least not with the endorsement of the law. A person is innocent until they actually commit a crime. You cannot prosecute someone for what might be in their mind in a free country. As Paul argued, once you throw out the principle of liberty, you have invited the police state, complete with ubiquitous surveillance, unwarranted searches, curfews, and the rest. It is astounding how much of it is already in place in a nation that calls itself "the land of the free."

The obvious concern with this line of reasoning is that it would seem that to be free, one must set oneself up as a sitting duck for criminals and terrorists, powerless to resist them until it is too late. Ed Meese cited the "42 terrorists attacks, amied at the United States...thwarted since 9/11," and went on to say, "Tools like the Patriot Act have been instrumental in finding and stopping terrorists."

I don't know how Meese arrived at that number, but it doesn't jibe with reality. I suspect that it includes all of the entrapment schemes that have been perpetrated by federal law enforcement officers, whereby an undercover agent poses as a terrorist and approaches a mentally unstable person for the purpose of convincing him to participate in a phoney terrorist plot. Once the hapless "terrorist" agrees, the undercover agent arrests him and charges him with a crime.

All of the attempted terrorist attacks that the American public know about since 9/11 have defeated the Patriot Act and other security "tools" insituted since that crime was committed. The shoe bomber and the underwear bomber were both overpowered by private citizens acting in their own defense, after the would be terrorists had defeated the security measures within the Patriot Act and the TSA. Even on 9/11, with the federal government already in charge of security, albeit without the "tools" of the Patriot Act, the only crime that was prevented was the one that would have been perpetrated using Flight 93. Again, it was private citizens acting in their own defense and defense of their neighbors that thwarted the attack. While they were unsuccessful in defending their own lives, they prevented the loss of many, many more.

This illustrates another fundamental element of liberty - the right of each person to be allowed to provide for their own defense. The right and duty of each individual to defend themselves to the best of their ability replaces absolute power in the hands of the government. Consistent with this idea, Paul has been a staunch advocate of the 2nd amendment, while Gingrich, although he supports the right to bear arms in rhetoric, also voted for the Lautenburg Gun Ban and the Criminal Safezones Act, sponsored by Nancy Pelosi.

Gingrich tries to qualify his position on the Patriot Act by drawing a conceptual line between criminal law enforcement and national security. He says that "criminal law - the government should be on defense and you should be innocent until proven guilty. National security - the government should have many more tools in order to save our lives."

In other words, if the government decides that "national security" is threatened, you are no longer innocent until proven guilty. He also says that Americans must "build an honest understanding that all of us will be in danger for the rest of our lives."

Do the math.

This exchange between Paul and Gingrich represents a fundamental choice that the American people have to make. They can take personal responsibility for their security and take power back from the federal government or they can hand unchecked power to the federal government along with their liberty. There is no "centrist" or "moderate" position, because once the principle is conceded, liberty is gone.

As Benjamin Franklin warned, the choice between liberty and security is a false one. No, there were not nuclear weapons in 1755, but to think that the existence of nuclear weapons changes the principle is counterintuitive. Franklin spoke those words in 1755 because the same choice existed then as now. Those who sacrifice liberty in the hopes of greater security deserve neither and will get neither. The most immediate threat to one's security is always the closest one - the government itself.

In deciding who was right in this debate, Americans are really deciding whether liberty is something they cherish or whether Franklin, Jefferson, Adams and the rest were wrong. If they were wrong or if we've decided that there is something fundamentally different today that trumps those timeless principles, let's at least dispense with the notion that we live in the "land of the free." At the next sporting event, let the singer end with "o'er the land of the secure, and the home of the safe." It may not be pleasing to the ear, but neither is Gingrich's plan for a "secure" America.

Tom Mullen is the author of A Return to Common Sense: Reawakening Liberty in the Inhabitants of America.

© Thomas Mullen 2011




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thanks Tom

I never looked at the underwear and shoe bombers from that angle.
PLEASE Everyone!!
Be aware, the current masterstroke of genius propaganda is the news media continually saying that the president and the government's job is to "protect" us, and everyone agrees.

ITS NOT!!
The government's job is not to protect me. It is to preserve my freedom and liberty. However, the instant you agree that the govs job is to protect you and that this "protecting" is our "naitonal security", then you just gave them carte blanche to do ANYTHING in order to protect us.

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War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.
Thomas Jefferson

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Is the Pope's swiss cheese Holy?

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

Are you saying we're screwed?

"In deciding who was right in this debate, Americans are really deciding whether liberty is something they cherish or whether Franklin, Jefferson, Adams and the rest were wrong"

As should be evident by now, few people have any clue about Franklin, Jefferson or Adams.

Newt Gingrich thinks all you

Newt Gingrich thinks all you have to do to be patriotic is fly a flag outside your trailer.

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The term "Patriot Act"

is an example of Orwellian double-speak. The government's standard practice of inverting the definition of a word to mean its direct opposite.

"Miniluv"=Torture.
"Minipax"=War.
"Miniplenty"= Rationing.
"Minitrue'=Misinformation.
"Department of Defense"= Overseas war and occupation.
"Quantitative Easing" =Inflating the currency.
"National Interests"=Rich elitist holdings in foreign countries.
"Projecting Power"=Bullying lesser nations.
"Homeland Security"= National Prison guards.
"Executive power"= Divine Right/Tyranny.

Conscience does not exist if not exercised

"No matter how cynical you get, it's impossible to keep up!
---Lily Tomlin

It's a total capitulation to Osama bin Laden

A special ops Ranger or Seal team could have squashed him like a knat back in the 90's for far far less than the thousands of lives, the trillions of dollars, and inmeasurable liberties we lost because of these crooks in Washington -Gingrich did nothing to stop it -in fact he's neck deep in this scam...

Government is supposed to protect our freedom, our property, our privacy, not invade it. Ron Paul 2007

You're joking with that headline...right?

Is the Patriot Act Unpatriotic?
The ONLY thing the Patriot act is ,is Unpatriotic in my eyes.

It does seem like a

It does seem like a rhetorical questions doesn't it?

Obviously the treasonous Patriot Act is unpatriotic, it was written by a person born in Communist Vietnam before 9/11 for crying out loud.

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Read Susan Lindauer's book,

Read Susan Lindauer's book, "Extreme Prejudice" to see the evils that come from the Patriot Act. The Patriot Act violates the 1st, 4th, and 6th Amendments. It is the first step towards creating a police state.

The next step towards a police state, but surely not the first

I'd say the War on Drugs and its progenitor, Prohibition, were prior steps towards a police state. Others can surely come up with prior or better examples.

Each diminution of liberty brings us one step closer to frog soup.

Freedom is paramount

unless you want to live like sheep which sadly to say many people are sheep..

Government is supposed to protect our freedom, our property, our privacy, not invade it. Ron Paul 2007

Why...

yes, yes it is. We don't need no TSA molestation or radiation to keep us "safe" thank you very much.

9/11 was an inside job .....time to get some answers..RP 2012

There are two points to be

There are two points to be considered. First, if we give up freedom for security, what do we have? We have a totalitarian state. Some will say oh, it's not that bad. But how bad does it have to get? How many freedoms have we already lost? Do you think "our protectors" will stop here? These people have a lust for power. It's not about security, it's about power.

The second point is the fact that the terrorist threat is a direct result of our foreign policy. An aggressive, intrusive foreign policy has attracted the attention of radical elements. We need to ask ourselves, how are we benefiting from this foreign policy? What good does it do the American people to pay for bombing and invading these countries? How does waging undeclared war somehow make us safer?

I agree with Ron Paul. These continual undeclared wars are not making us safer, just the opposite. Not only do we entice the terrorists to attack us, we are now hated around the world. We are viewed much like the old Soviet Union was.

There are two beneficiaries to this foreign policy. The defense contractors who make money on wars. And those who crave power and want to see our freedom eliminated.

The American people have great respect for our military, but we are tired of seeing them misused. Thousands of dead, and tens of thousands of disabled victims - and how are we better off?

We, the people are supposed to be in control of this nation. Most Americans want to see an end to these pointless, undeclared wars. Why do we sit back and allow the Congress to continue to fund them? Why do we re-elect those who really don't care what we want?

This is very good-"The crux

This is very good-"The crux of the matter is preemptive government. Not just preemptive war, but the ability of the government to act preemptively in any situation."

I was just watching the other night as O'Reilly defended the war on drugs by saying how he wanted to government to act preemptively. No wonder guys like that never have Tom Mullin on.

As I told a cop a few years ago "Yea, you can protect us if you keep track of our every movement adn financial transaction and limit where we can go and what we can do. In other words if you trun America into the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany you can protect us pretty effectively. But I don't want to be protected at all costs. I'd rather die than live like a slave to a police state."

Complete liberty

and complete control are both extremes and the two are irreconcilable and contradictory. As soon as you deviate from complete liberty (which is that wrongdoers are punished once they've done wrong), you are saying that the state is authorized to use some aggression against people who have done no wrong. And the state ALWAYS pushes the envelope in such matters, ever increasing their aggression until Gingrich's extreme view is reached. And that extreme view is the following: "If we just kill everyone, then we'll be safe."

One must only look to pre 9/11 to reveal how ridiculous the

Patriot Act is. The writing was on the wall, the evidence was sent in, the FBI was begging for someone to look at the pilots not wanting to learn how to land, Bush got a memo entitled "Bin Laden to use jets as missiles" in August 2001. The bottom line is that they are selling the people that if they throw more money at it, it would have made Bush a better listener? Just like the department of education, they tell the public for a better education for the kids lets throw money at a giant bureaucracy that is growing daily, and yet we see what we get for it, not much unlike the TSA and their 25,000 goofs, those goofs could have equated to terrorist attacks, if terrorism was at all a real threat. Another thing to note is that the underwear bomber, and the shoe bomber were not stopped by law enforcement, the patriot act, or the TSA, they were stopped by every day Americans, this did not need a constitution killing law to prevent, no politicians were involved, their no fly list full of American citizens they do not like had no bearing, and we know that the underwear bomber had no passport and was escorted on the plane by a man in a suit? So long as there is money involved and not true patriots simply doing the right thing the Patriot act will grow until it is used by the majority party to stifle out any and all opposition, and with the tyranny we find in Washington today, that day may not be far off.

So the question you asked is the Patriot act Unpatriotic, the answer is not only is it unpatriotic, but it borders the edge of treason against the people and the constitution of the United States, and if the past abuses of the patriot act are any indication as to how it will be used, then prepare yourselves, for the blue light tax collectors may be transformed into full fledged comrades before you leave this life.

Always remember:
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." ~ Samuel Adams

Stay IRATE, remain TIRELESS, and set those BRUSH FIRES everywhere you go and in all you do!

If Newt Gingrich is the

If Newt Gingrich is the armchair physicist, a blowhard moron ignorantly pontificating about the benefits of his perpetual motion generator, while Ron Paul is standing there in astonishment shaking his head and reminding everyone about the law of conservation of energy.

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I love Ron Paul's

scenarios - understandable and right on point.

Gingrich is simply an establishment mouthpiece...the things he sputters are what people are used to hearing and what people (erroneously) associate with being a good American.

The people are brainwashed.

Anybody watch the show "Person of Interest"? A rather interesting look at post-9/11 efforts to keep we the people safe...

“The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.” Ron Paul - The Revolution

Excellent

Just excellent writing here.

Eric Hoffer