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S. 1867 Coverage - McCain vs. Rand Paul

Paul vs. McCain on Senate floor:

http://youtu.be/aUHh1iqe43w

Statement from Rand Paul.

http://youtu.be/rghhz_t5POo

S. 1867 National Defense Authorization Act Bill it will be on LIVE @ 10:00 AM EST on C-SPAN2.

You can stream it.

This is the MOST important event going on right now.

http://www.c-span.org/Liv...

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Why would they not fight?

If we detained an individual and eventually let them go, that was because we found out they didn't do what we thought they did as terrorists. So picture getting wrongfully detained by a foreign country's government, in you own town, then you get released. Would you not then join arms with the ones fighting that country? Mr. McCain, that is not an argument to then open that same way of thought to us in the US!

27% is the problem

Let me see if I have this straight..
27% of those held end up fighting the US, and that is the problem.

What is the solution? making sure that 100% never leave jail ever?
..and you want to hold American citizens? Without due process? 100% forever?

Mike Lee supports McCain?

If that were so, then why does he sound just like Rand here?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7tIGo...

If Mike Lee voted Nay,

"Three (hundred) millions of

"Three (hundred) millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us." - Patrick Henry - March 23, 1775

This "legislation" will be more of a burden on the people of this country then on any terrorist;just as the enhanced security at airports have been.

13 No servant can serve two masters; for either he shall hate the one, and love the other, or else he shall lean to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and riches. - Luke 16

update

Amendment debate today...(live now on cspan-2) (What a show!)

Possible FINAL vote tomorrow!

Just thought I would share.

We need to wake people on this issue.

I got a call from a home security system company who was trying to put the fear of god into me and I said that the
government tries hard enough doing that.

Then I started to explain how laws are being passed to lock up citizens and she said "Not me." Going on to explain how she was born and raised here in the U.S.

WAKE UP!!! She didn't let me finish and ended the call, which was good because I was trying to say no but she didn't let me.

Sen. Paul did a great job of detailing the situation.

Thanks for posting this very important discussion.

Obama Issues "Kill Ron Paul Order" to Japanese Prime Minister

The Federal Security Service (FSB) is reporting today that the “secret letter” sent to Prime Minister Putin by Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda contains a warning that United States President Barack Obama has issued an executive-level “kill order” against US Congressman Ron Paul over fears this charismatic politician, who many believe could capture the Republican Presidential 2012 nomination, is about to expose to all Americans what can only be described as the largest mass theft in human history.

According to this report, Prime Minister Noda first became aware of this “kill order” after a private meeting with Obama at last weeks ASEAN Summit meeting in Indonesia when the American President expressed his “unconstrained joy” over the toppling of the Greek and Italian governments in bloodless coups by EU banksters who installed to run these countries unelected former Goldman Sachs executives.
Not known to many Americans is that the giant global investment firm Goldman Sachs put Obama into office by being its top donor and after winning the Presidency put so many of its former executives into the US government it is known as the “Wall Street Cabinet.”

http://www.eutimes.net/2011/11/obama-issues-ron-paul-kill-or...

Obama doesn't need a secret letter to kill an American citizen

when drone strikes have been show to be quite effective.

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this article stinks of fishyness. Who is behind

this publication? I am smelling a strong whiff of Russia tossing out false flags. the scenario is not entirely implausible, but the source and way the article is written makes me highly suspicious.
It is a bad idea to spread this rumor IMO. Too many idiots are inspired by media irresponsibility. And those idiots are often catalyzed by CIA/FBI as we all know.
The best way to insure RP's safety is to continue to make sure all know of his pure record and integrity. Make him untouchable without igniting major blowback to the status quo.

Wow.. This really struck a nerve..

Wow.. This really struck a nerve with me.
I was pondering on it so much that I forgot to slow down in the school zone on the way to work.
Dough!! I got a civil violation. (I also had a head cold and that didn't help my lack of attention to the road)

Everyday I feel closer and closer to quitting my day job and dedicating myself 100% to restore/preserve liberty. Where will I eat and sleep in the meantime? Not sure, but I'm sure such a situation will not compare with the agony of the future of the U.S.

“I’m fully diversified. I’ve got some under the mattress, some under the floor boards, some in the backyard.”

Cigarettes and cheese burgers

Cigarettes and cheese burgers have contributed to more American deaths this year then terrorism has in the past 10 years. The war on terror is an excuse to take away our God given freedoms.

"The economy's not a class you can master in college. To think otherwise is the pretense of knowledge."

S1867

Does anyone know when this will go to house? I am calling and writing my congressman.

Just sent this to my senators/congressman

I am writing as your constituent in the 14th Congressional district of Pennsylvania, and as an American who has not forgotten what Liberty means. Anyone who supports S. 1867 would do well to remember what country they live in, and the oath they swore when taking office. By Sen. McCain's own admission, this bill can be used to indefinitely detain American citizens on American soil for merely being suspected of terrorist activities.
Let me be clear. I am not afraid of any terrorist. I fear much more a foolhardy Federal government who can commit more devastation against this country with a single piece of legislation than any supposed terrorist ever could with all of his box cutters and underwear bombs combined. Stop protecting me at the expense of a Constitution and Bill of Rights that millions of the bravest Americans have died to defend.
The short-sighted thinking behind this bill, and the small minds who support it, will be the downfall of this country. How about instead of asking 'How can we best trample over the Bill of Rights?' you ask , 'Why did the incidence of suicide terror attacks against U.S. targets increase 270 fold between 2000 and 2010?'. Why is an ethnically diverse group of predominantly educated young men willing to blow themselves up to do us harm? These acts are a response to occupation, and no amount of Constitution-shredding will prevent or stop them.
Too many proud men have bled and died to preserve our Liberties and ensure that such a militaristic abomination would never exist in this country. Honor the founders of this nation and the tireless patriots after them who have sacrificed everything in defense of Liberty by opposing this bill, or dance on the graves of all those who came before you and truly believed in freedom by supporting this measure: the choice is yours, and know that history will not forget.

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I urge all who have not already done so to write or call their representatives and make their feelings known. You can only blame corrupt leaders for so long before the blame shifts to our own silence.

Tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito

Absolute masterpiece of a

Absolute masterpiece of a letter. I loved this line in particular,

"Let me be clear. I am not afraid of any terrorist. I fear much more a foolhardy Federal government who can commit more devastation against this country with a single piece of legislation than any supposed terrorist ever could with all of his box cutters and underwear bombs combined."

But the whole thing was great and gets right to the heart of it-free people don't want to government to "protect us" at all costs. Good work Henry!

Thanks for the complement

I wanted to refine it a little more, but I was so angry I was shaking, and so I just sent it. Who knows what kind of terrorist watch list I'll eventually make my way onto, but I'm sure I won't be the only DP'er there;)

I don't like the touch of nervousness I felt before clicking "send". 'When people fear their government, it is called tyranny. When the government fears the people, it is called Liberty.' We have strayed too far. The balance is off, and these incrementalist attrocities against our Constitution disgust me. Ron Paul must win, for all our sake.

Tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito

Henry the only thing I would

Henry the only thing I would add is that if you send it through regular mail rather than just email it his staffers will see it. And from personal experience I believe it would be even better if you wrote it out rather than type it. That gets their attention faster than anything and lets them know its not from some organization but rather a real person.

I've been wondering

was McCain really in the military during Vietnam or did he just lie about it? I've met a few former POWs from nam and none of them were what you would call pro-war. Something about the way he carries himself too tells me he's never been psychologically broken down and rebuilt, it's like the way most 5 year olds use body language with 100% confidence that they are always right.

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This is why I believe McCain

This is why I believe McCain is being blackmailed...this is the REAL John McCain that the controlled media have hidden so well.

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/earlhopperinterview08feb08.shtml

http://www.vvof.org/mccain_hides.htm

http://www.usvetdsp.com/mcianhro.htm

Cos Cob, CT

somehow

I figured someone would bring dox to the table on this one.

My father wondered the same

My father wondered the same thing. How can someone, who was captive during war, not to mention tortured, condone and rouse over war and war-like measures? It’s strange; he hates torture, yet war, when all is said and done, is torture multiplied with all the miseries and evils of humanity put together, and he somehow defends this. He defends all the insidious encroachments of ancient liberties dating back to the Magna Carta, and for what? For the illusion of safety? For the belief that the ills of liberty exceed the ills of tyranny? That to be free one must be reduced to thralldom? There’s no end to the human imagination in coming up with pretexts to strip the liberties of the people; there will always be wolves who pounce on the sheep.

As Jefferson said, "It is better to keep the wolf out of the fold, than to trust to drawing his teeth and talons after he shall have entered."

malo periculosam libertatem quam quietum servitium

I am an aristocrat. I love liberty; I hate equality. - John Randolph of Roanoke

well said

My favorite teacher from high school was a journalist for the military and taught a one semester Vietnam history course, and I could never see him condoning war.

There's Team Paul... and then

There's Team Paul... and then there's everybody else.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIptSTddEco

Acts

Acts 22 - 24:29

donvino

i don't think there's any question that rand is a better orator

than gary johnson.. he undoubtedly comes after ron

Rand's Daddy Wants To Be The President

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I can never remember McCain's

wife's name
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