50 votes

SERIOUS threat to Ron Paul

We have the biggest threat to Ron Paul's chances going on in all the comment sections on youtube and elsewhere. Seriously folks being rude and acting like Ron Paul is god isn't going to win people over. I understand the passion for RP but we really need to become for civil with clear reasons based on facts that RP is the only choice. We look like complete cultists and narrow sighted fanatics to new RP people and it's turning people away. Ron Paul would be disgusted if he read some of these comments and in the end it all falls back on him! Can we PLEASE start being a little more professional and state our case for freedom and move on? Name calling and disrespecting other peoples opinions is not going to work and it's extremely counterproductive. Ron Paul 2012!




Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
egapele's picture

Priceless response to negative comments:

"Ron Paul's hands have been all over more vaginas than any of the other candidates combined and he's still the most morally solid one."

Most of us are, but like me

Most of us are, but like me infiltrating Newt's page they do the same to us. I just posted the new ad on Newt's page and claimed I was supporting him from the start but had to bail once I saw his previous statements.

Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto. - T. Jefferson rЭVO˩ution

"Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state wants to live at the expense of everyone.” - BASTIAT

don't blame us for provocateurs!

it's one of the oldest and dirtiest tricks in the book to "join" a group and then do terrible things/ say terrible things to make the group look bad. but they aren't a serious threat unless we make them one by saying they are true Ron Paul supporters.

disgraceful campaign

Yeah, there are obviously people pretending to be RP supporters in various places on the internet just to make us look bad. It's shameful!

Still, on the up side, it's possible that they'll do something so conspicuous they'll become news themselves. I would certainly consider it newsworthy that another campaign is using such deceptive tactics online against Ron Paul!

I don't read Youtube comments; they can kill brain cells.

I don't read Youtube comments; they can kill brain cells.

They are always the most racist, bigoted, stupid, moronic, misspelled indictments of public education.

"Cowards & idiots can come along for the ride but they gotta sit in the back seat!"

Yep

I definitely see the OP's point, but 98% of the comments I've seen coming from supporters on that video aren't rude at all. Most seem fairly well written actually...for Youtube comments.

At worst I've seen a few RP supporters calling the naysayers hypocrites and trolls, and well, if the shoe fits...

A signature used to be here!

Why generalize so much, so negatively?

We look like complete cultists and narrow sighted fanatics to new RP people and it's turning people away.

My experience on the internet has been the opposite. The Ron Paul comments reflect patience, intelligence, and kindness. Amongst ourselves, we sometimes get a little rough around the edges (family infighting), but out in the world, from what I see, it's a polished presentation more often than not.

I'm beginning to think the

I'm beginning to think the new strategy against the rising tide of Ron Paul is to hit his supporters. His campaign attracts the most industrious, actively committed, loyal supporters the other candidates would give their eye teeth to have and do want if Ron Paul is not nominated. It makes you wonder if the RP Supporter attacks are coming from the GOP itself.

What are you talking about?

All I ever see is Ron Paul people bring sourced facts, and being polite and Christian-like. And they are usually talking to people that just say things like, "You Paul-bot, fringe, nut jobs! Ron Paul is a crazy, racist, antisemite who wants Iran to destroy the world!"

Actually, the negative comments are usually filled with spelling and grammar errors, but you get the point.

Yes!

And I often imagine some sort of frothing at the mouth too.

We can't control everyone - Internet etiquette is a personal choice, though I do think people should exercise some decorum.

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

I really don't believe this is a problem

I really don't believe this is a problem, I don't see alot of name calling on here, all I see, is distractions! And I think this is one of them! Let's look for Paul highlights! And keep those prominent. Who cares about the negativity, I mean, the media has already shown us what they are all about already, and people are smart enough to notice where the truth and error is with a little bit of research and study.

it is a problem

It may not be a huge problem but I have already ran into a dozen or more friends and family while talking about Ron Paul and I usually have to spend most of the conversation explaining his supporters and this takes away from time that could be used discussing his positions. Even one of my buddies who has been an active supporter with me since 07 mentioned to me the other day that he was starting to become alienated by some of the Ron Paul supporters because of this and I thought that was serious because he is in my opinion a hardcore RP supporter. This is where we come to discuss issues so I thought I would throw it out there. wasn't meant to be a distraction.

Dr. Paul's message is all

about freedom and personal responsibility. Some people need to exercise a little self awareness and personal responsibility when using their freedom. The campaign attracts a lot of idealized youth so I guess it's to be expected that when they become aware of how they've been lied to for most of their life, they lash out at everyone who disagrees with Dr. Paul. However, once the wild horses acquire some restraint and learn to carry themselves with dignity, their abundant energy and creativity may be applied to many productive uses in the liberty movement.

What is the establishment more afraid of?
A crowd of wild, uncouth supports which they can marginalize or a crowd of sharp, polite, well spoken supporters who can earn the respect of their opponents and eventually fill the thousands of local, state, and national elected positions in the country. We'll eventually need the latter to sway the delegates of candidates who later drop out of the race.

Focus on our goal.

We need a mantra or a 'pledge' that supporters can take and that they can remember when in public or dealing with potential supporters.

Our primary aim is to get Ron Paul to be President. To get him to be President we need to convince a lot of people he is the right candidate, including MANY people who currently support other candidates. Trash talking any other candidate is *not* the way to go. You can talk about why their policies are not good, why their record is not good. But name calling of any kind is not going to help at all. In fact you'll just solidify people's support of those other candidates.

Please note that this includes supporters of ALL other candidates, including those of Barack Obama. Basically, don't call him a socialist. Don't call him a terrorist. Don't call him Kenyan. Democrats find all that very offensive and IMMEDIATELY write off ANYTHING else you have to say. You want to get these people on our side. It's the same if you compare anyone to the Nazis. The moment you do this, you lose all legitimacy in an argument/debate. Call him Barack Obama. Call him a democrat. That's it. Talk about his failure to bring in policies he promised. Talk about his inability to protect the constitution. Discuss how his policies aren't up to scratch and how Ron Paul's would be better.

Whether or not you genuinely believe these things about opposing candidates is irrelevant. The end goal (RP as President) should drive everything we do. This includes our behaviour around potential supporters.

Basically: Speak clearly, calmly and be collected. Do not use *any* name calling. Call the candidates by only their real name, make no personal attacks and don't characterise their ideology.

All I can say is that when I

All I can say is that when I read things like Paulbots, tin-foil hats, crazy and the like, I'm coming with both guns blazing. I'm a respectful guy, most of the time. Most of us RP supporters are I think. But Goddammit, we all have our limits.

At least you are out there interacting with all kinds of people

I know that I can only spend so much time at websites like HuffPo before I start wanting to rip my hair out. I come back here to unwind :)

Difficult job but we have to keep it up.

I know. I can't stand it when

I know. I can't stand it when people use those words towards us or Ron Paul but by returning the favor it's just like standing in each others way. You'll both just turn around and go right back where you came from. I use to get defensive on forums but I changed my reactions after I heard Ron Paul in an interview when a caller told him his supporters were rude, and disrespectful therefore he would not vote for Ron because those supporters represent him. Ron said he does not endorse that kind of behavior and he endorses setting a good example and diplomacy. so right then I said I'm gonna give that a try and it actually works. not with everyone but it has a way better success rate than screaming. You think anyone would listen to Ron if he was screaming at all the candidates and people in the crowd? Nope he does it by stating facts and not by personal attacks. I totally understand the anger you feel because I feel it to but I just take it out by yelling at the tv and radio during debates and talk shows. lol if people saw me doing that they would def. think I was a nut.

I understand your anger. They

I understand your anger. They do this on purpose to draw us down to their level. We need to be better than them. Ignore the trolls. They only waste your time. Anyone who calls us those names is not convertible to our cause (or at least take way too much effort when it could be used elsewhere).

Ignore them. Or counteract only with facts. Do not resort to name calling or swearing. Concentrate on getting spreading the word and use your time reaching those who are actual potential supporters.

1st Amendment

Deal with it.

Liberty: Too big to fail

He's dealing with it very

He's dealing with it very well actually. He's using that right to express his viewpoint. He's not trying to control you, but rather making a plea to the community. You don't have to take his advice. No one is making you at all. We're simply suggesting that if we want to get more supporters, we need to be welcoming.

Imagine if you're at a venue and there were a bunch of really loud people who supported another candidate. Imagine they continually insult your candidate and you for supporting them. Imagine if they called you names, heckled your candidate and acted in generally a terrible manner. You wouldn't think very highly of those people would you? Imagine there was another group of people, who were calm and collected. Who spoke only on the issues and listened to concerns you had.

Who are you more likely wanting to actually speak with? You would ignore the first group, wouldn't you? But would probably be fine with speaking with the second group, because they at least listened to you and showed you respect.

Now imagine you're on the other side of the second group. You just got someone talking to you about the issues. They would have the same grievances as you about many things. This is your chance to get a new supporter. And if not then, they'll remember it for the future if their current candidate drops out of the race, or fades in the polls.

I've Been Guilty of This

Most of the time I keep my cool. But every so often I come across someone so completely misinformed and belligerent, that I lose my cool. I hate when it happens. It seems to be the combination of happy ignorance and hostility ... a person who is obviously clueless, should know that they are grabbing at straws, and yet continues to go on the offensive with their nonsense. And YouTube is indeed full of such chaps.

this is a serious threat

November 30, 2011
Obama Issues Ron Paul “Kill Order” As Russia Prepares For War
By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers

 
The Federal Security Service (FSB) is reporting today that the “secret letter” sent to Prime Minister Putin by Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda contains a warning that United States President Barack Obama has issued an executive-level “kill order” against US Congressman Ron Paul over fears this charismatic politician, who many believe could capture the Republican Presidential 2012 nomination, is about to expose to all Americans what can only be described as the largest mass theft in human history.
According to this report, Prime Minister Noda first became aware of this “kill order” after a private meeting with Obama at last weeks ASEAN Summit meeting in Indonesia when the American President expressed his “unconstrained joy” over the toppling of the Greek and Italian governments in bloodless coups by EU banksters who installed to run these countries unelected former Goldman Sachs executives.   
Not known to many Americans is that the giant global investment firm Goldman Sachs put Obama into office by being its top donor and after winning the Presidency put so many of its former executives into the US government it is known as the “Wall Street Cabinet.”
The reason for Goldman Sachs, and other top American and European banksters, putting Obama into office, this report continues, was to loot the Americans taxpayers of an estimated $100 Trillion…nearly $30 Trillion of which went directly into the pockets of international banksters around the world and another $70 Trillion in lost home values, stock portfolios and pensions funds.
The main conduit of this massive theft was the US Federal Reserve System which during the 2008 Financial Crisis secretly doled out, without the American peoples knowledge, over $16 Trillion to European banks and companies and another nearly $8 Trillion in “secret loans” to the largest banks in the United States.
Causing Obama and his bankster allies to fear Ron Paul, this report continues, is the Congressman’s ability to hold US Congressional hearings on the $8 Trillion in secret loans to the largest banks in American without the public’s knowledge exposing this largest theft in human history and laying bare for all to see the total criminality of their entire elite political, financial and corporate class.
Though the US mainstream media has virtually ignored Ron Paul’s candidacy the American people themselves appear to have broken through this deliberate government ordered blackout of his Presidential run as evidenced by his rise in the polls in the first campaign States of Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina, which should he win them all would assure him the Republican nomination.
The fears Ron Paul is causing among Americas elite classes appear to be justified as he recently likened the US Federal Reserve System to “drug addiction” warning that the deception it has foisted upon the public will lead to the destruction of the United States.
Ron Paul further warned the American people this year that their nation was becoming a “police state,” called for the impeachment of Obama for ordering the assassination of an American citizen without charges or trial, and stated that Obama had violated the War Powers Act over his actions against Libya.
Ron Paul’s fears of a police state America being ruled by a dictatorial tyrant were confirmed yesterday when the US Senate, in a 61-37 vote gave, for the first time in history, the power to the US Military to hold citizens without charges or trial indefinitely by passing a bill that was written in secret and never openly debated.
So frightening is this new law that the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) in the days prior to its passing warned, “The Senate is going to vote on whether Congress will give this president—and every future president — the power to order the military to pick up and imprison without charge or trial civilians anywhere in the world. The power is so broad that even U.S. citizens could be swept up by the military and the military could be used far from any battlefield, even within the United States itself.”
Most ominous in this FSB report is its stating that the “assassination regime” ordered against Ron Paul by Obama may already be underway as one of the US foreclosure fraud whistleblowers subpoenaed by Ron Paul to testify before the US Congress named Tracey Lawrence was found “suicided” yesterday in Las Vegas.
The destruction of anyone found opposing the Obama regime and its bankster backers was, also, brought into sharp relief this week by the smearing by mental illness allegations of one of America’s top heroes US Marine Sergeant Dakota Meyer, who in September received the Congressional Medal of Honor from Obama (who called him one of the most “down-to-earth guys that you will ever meet”) for saving the lives of 36 of his comrades, but after he alerted the press that his employer defense contractor BAE Systems was selling high-tech sniper rifles to Pakistan that are being used to kill America Soldiers was labeled as a “drunk and mentally ill.”
So concerned has the Kremlin become about the growing American fascist police state it caused General Nikolai Makarov, Russia’s top military commander, to issue a warning to the West last week that the Motherland was fully prepared for a nuclear World War III and which prompted the Obama regime to state that it would immediately cease observing their arms treaty with Russia.
To if the American people will be able to rally around Ron Paul before he is assassinated by the Obama regime it is not in our knowing, other than to note that in a country where every public demonstration – however peaceful and orderly it might be – is ordered by their authorities to be treated as the equivalent of a prison riot, where the former police chief of Seattle blamed the militarization of local US police forces on Obama’s Homeland Security Department, and where the media is described as being nothing more than a “lapdog” for Obama and his bankster allies, the likelihood of these people escaping the worst horrors to come do, indeed, seem inescapable.

affirmation: President Paul 2008

I saw this the other day and

I saw this the other day and thought it was debunked.. Is this for real or somebody trying to get attention? If it's real this needs to be brought to RP's attention and the media.

It's as real as Puff the Magic Dragon

.

It's all B.S.

Google Sorcha Faal.

All these embarrasing Youtube comments

"2000 likes only 300 views, really youtube you're on thier side?"

I mean please, youtube is NOT involved in some godamn conspiracy, the views just don't get updated all that often.

I get really tired....

...of self appointed "do-good-ers" telling others how to behave. Of course you are entitled to your opinion and have the right to voice it. I personally find that the support for Ron Paul by his cultist followers is what has put him and his campaign on the map.How many times have I read or heard that Dr. Paul has the most loyal followers?? To many to count obviously. The same reason why the "talking heads" believe Ron Paul will have a big turn out in Iowa. So what you see as a negative I see as a positive. In the early days of '07 (when I was a "Fred Head"), it was exactly this cult like behavior that led me to research Ron Paul and eventually become a supporter. The question I kept asking myself,"Who is this man who can gain the loyalty and support of people on such a rock star like scale, I need to find out more about this guy". So to all of my fellow Cult like Patriots, I say keep up the good work. The powers that be aren't going to lay down and play nice, why should we?

hey man I hear ya. I've been

hey man I hear ya. I've been involved since 07 and I've done the sign waving, gone to all the political events with my Ron Paul gear, phone banked, put up thousands of signs, etc. but those were the days when Ron Paul was not well known and had a really tiny campaign. Now Ron Paul is known by quite a few but the ones we need to win over aren't the young folks we need to win over the middle age and older people and they will only view that kind of campaigning as a bunch of screaming kids who don't know what they are talking about and simply look away. I'm not saying being passionate is wrong I'm simply saying that instead of using insulting comments we should simply say something like: "You should really look into Ron Paul and see what he is all about. The media misrepresents his positions and his message cannot get across in 30 sec. soundbites because the problems we face as a nation are complicated and have been accumulating for decades. I hope you will read up on his record and review his policies before you write him off. If you do you may end up as passionate as we are about the message of liberty that Ron Paul so tirelessly fights for" this will have a much greater effect than calling someone an idiot even though we know they are :) Keep up the good fight!

Explain your "normal" test.

I want to see where I stand. The original post gives no example of what is bad behaviour. Neither do you. I personaly love the enthusiasm of the young Ron Paul supporters. The other canidates would give anything to have half the enthusiastic support Ron Paul has.

Sometimes it takes shouting from the rooftops to get peoples attention when no other way works.

I have read in comments for this post and others that people are turned off by Ron Paul supporters. They like his ideas but his supporters turn them off. I have never found that true. I have found more often that they think Ron Paul is crazy or a nut or you name it. Not because of his supporters but because of what they see in the media.

Once resonable people look at his stance on the issues and start educating themselves more likely than not they become a supporter. It is the enthusiasim that that peaks people curiosity.

I guess we could all set around like the typical status quo repub supporters and not offend anyone and be "normal" but I will shout from the rooftops

Shouting from the rooftops is great!!!

"Sometimes a scream is better than a thesis."
-RW Emerson