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Rand Paul is the man...

This was the best possible thing he could have done voting on sanctions for Iran. We absolutely have to be smarter than this people, I hear everyone tearing him down for this. The vote was 100-0, yes a 1 would have been nice in the right column, but come on. I have said it before, and will say it again, we did our job and got Rand elected, now let's let him do what he needs to do to gain traction. let him play the game correctly. There are certain times Rand will have to blur the lines to gain traction. I am totally ok with Rand's stance on this. He is playing the game how it should be played. We have to slightly blend in to get where we need to go. I am sure he talked to his father about this, and knows what he is doing. I give Rand an A+ on this, he knows what he is doing. He is working the system the right way, keep the faith. Do you really think he is some kind of turncoat, come on. Lose the drama. We got Rand in, now let's let him do what he thinks he needs to do to work the system. We know D.C. is corrupt, so Rand needs to choose his battles and gain support for a Whitehouse bid. Please tell me we are smarter than this, we have way bigger things to take care of. I will say, go Rand go, rock the house!!!! Keep the faith people, we have to trust someone, it is hard, but we have too many angles to fight.

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Rand is not a carbon copy of his dad no matter how much we wish him to be. Ron and Rand are not going to agree on every single issue. Sanctions may be one of them. Bottom line is Rand is far and above better than the rest. And until he starts violating the constitution, I'm not wworried.



Our ENTIRE movement is based on being as pure as the wind driven snow. Ron is a 100%er while Rand is a 75%er.

I would be curious to know exactly what sanctions were put on them. I'd like to HEAR Rand's justification for them. The truth is it's a hard sell, politically, to vote no on sanctions these days. Sanctions, though, just further destroy relations and often lead to eventual war.

Simple answer is - Ron is Ron, Rand is Rand. When Ron retires our message risks becoming a lot different unless we find a Tom Woods or someone else to carry that light.

To be fair... Rand had no

- This was supposed to be a reply... see below

Rand will never be the man

Rand will never be the man his father is, but he is better than the rest.
That said, I don't think we should let him slide on this.

Rand is not like the rest of the Senate.

Their votes are largely the result of stupidity and lobbying. Rand is too smart and principled to be voting like your run-of-the-mill psycho neocon.

I want real answers from him. I want him to tell the grassroots all around him what on earth justifies this kind of cruelty to another country- FORGETTING the BS propaganda that he must KNOW we are not buying for a split second.

Aren't WE entitled to some answers? Who in Washington is going to talk straight about Iran's oil and natural gas? About the Iranian Oil Bourse and how that's impacted the dollar? About how we've been jerking them around for decades and won't leave them the f*** ALONE?

Don't expect me to go cheering for Rand just because he voted with the majority. Anyone can pee on the floor.

sacrificing principles to win

is what gets us into messes in the first place

if we had more ppl take a principled stand and not conform, there would be no need to "blur the lines and do what you need to do to gain traction"

I punched a kid in the face today....

I didn't want to do it, but all my cool mates were doing it and if I can get their support, then maybe later I can talk them out of bashing kids.

This is beltway thinking.. pure crap! I'd like to hear Rand Paul's reasons for voting on this bill in such a manner before judging him too harshly, but if he is planning on playing the beltway game, then he can rot with the rest of those immoral idiots!

It all reminds me of Judge Smails, in Caddyshack... "I didn't want to send him to the gas chamber, thought I owed it to him".

To be fair... Rand had no

To be fair... Rand had no power over whether or not the kid would be punched in the face. I think the OP's point was that this was a chance to infliltrate, because it most certainly was not a chance to change the outcome.

Walls are built one brick at a time

Perhaps it wasn't possible to change the outcome of this vote, but by standing tall and sticking to principle, you can influence the next vote, or affect the conscience of others to stand with you the next time liberty is threatened.

Thanks, Dr. Paul, the younger.

I literally woke up crying today, felt like "my" country does not even exist. To declare the land upon which we live, where our children play, where our food is grown - to call that a battlefield is beyond treason. All I really want is to be left alone, to grow my own food and live by the Light that guides me. I want to teach my neighbors how to be self-reliant, show them how to do aquaponics. I want to leave a food orest behind as my "life work." DO I deserve to have the FDA come raid my in the middle of the night? What is going on now is just so sad - AMISH people getting raided? C'mon! About 2:00 AM it was just too dark, and I woke up crying.
To say this lifted my spirits is an understatement.
I don't have time for pity parties, not even when I am the guest oh onor. I have chickens to feed.

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

I'm so happy people feel like I do

The whole point is to NOT be a sell out. Not to yourself, not to your principles, not the your constituents, not to Americans.

Blending in? How status quo.

History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.
Dwight D. Eisenhower

I want to see the 1. The 1

I want to see the 1. The 1 is principled. The 1 is gaining traction.


Rand, why do you think people flock to Ron -- your father? Because he's consistent. His consistency is principled. He states his principles simply and clearly.

Do you notice the absense of the word gaming in that paragraph? Yes, it's not there. Because your father is how he is is why people flock to him, a showing of admiration and, yes, love.

Rand. What the hell are you doing? Again?

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton Forest Dutton, MD, in his 1916 book whose subject is origin (therefore what all healing methods involve and count on), simple and powerful.

I Love Rand BUT

He is no Ron Paul.

Not putting rand down BUT his dad is one of a kind.

It would be pretty hard to live up to the ron paul standard with ANYTHING especially politically.

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Think you nailed it

He should choose his battles wisely. I think he has. 99 others voted for it, so live to fight another day.

How's that?

How does he live to fight another day if he votes against it? It will pass anyway, right? So why the heck not stick to principle and vote against this onerous warmongering POS legislation? What does he gain, actually, by going along. What he loses is obviously some credibility.

He doesn't with them

That's the idea. I'm just offering another perspective, settle down people! What I'm saying is making yourself a black sheep will all but guarantee no one will listen to you. Let his dad be the trail blazer and shift the paradigm while Rand, for the time being, tries to bridge the gap between the neocons and libertarians. It's like diplomacy. It's like good cop bad cop. Ron is the one going to the table and saying, look buddy, this is how it is! Rand is the one who sounds more reasonable to them and helps close the deal.

I don't think Rand is trying to be a traitor here. I really think that's the game plan. Do I have the right to be incorrect, or alone in my opinion, and still voice my opinion here or what? I'm as frustrated as you I'm sure, and I'm on YOUR side. Remember?

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The problem with "choosing his battles wisely"

Means - how the hell am I supposed to know which battle he'll choose to fight?

If not guided by principles, then guided by what?

If that remains a mystery, then what is the point in supporting that individual?

99 others voted for it, so live to fight another day.

Yup, just like the rest of that cesspool known as Washington, DC.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

I'll reflect on it

I tend to think of Rand as our Trojan horse. Maybe that's flawed. I'm just frustrated. I grow tired, like most do I'm sure, of calling Senators Kohl and Johnson, and my "Representative" Ron Kind, who probably know what's right, and choose to do the opposite about every time!



moooooooooo moooooooo!

“when goods do not cross borders soldiers will.”

RON Paul is spot on about the fact that sanctions are a precursor to war, just like they were with Iraq.

Frederic Bastiat said the same centuries ago, “when goods do not cross borders soldiers will.”

Paul ante portas.

Press release posted on the

Press release posted on the other thread but thought might be good here too:

Sen. Paul Statement on Defeat of Detainee Amendment
Dec 1, 2011

WASHINGTON, D.C. - Tonight, Sen. Rand Paul prevented the passage of an amendment that would have further eroded Americans' constitutional rights. Offered to the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal 2012 (S.1867), amendment No. 1274 would have allowed the U.S. government to detain an American citizen indefinitely, even after they had been tried and found not guilty, until Congress declares an end to the war on terror.

"Suspicion of committing a crime should lead to your attempted prosecution. If the evidence does not support conviction, it would be against everything we believe in and fight for in America to still allow the government to imprison you at their whim," Sen. Paul said. "Tonight, a blow was struck to fight back against those who would take our liberty."

The amendment would have passed by voice vote, but this tactic was blocked by Sen. Paul's objection. He then forced a roll call vote, in which the amendment was defeated, 41-59.

Sen. Paul earlier this week introduced an amendment to formally end the war in Iraq. Despite the fact that troops will be removed from Iraq at the end of this year, the amendment failed 30-67.


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yes but

how can I agree with Ron Paul on sanctions being the first steps towards war and that they affect the poor and not the ruling elite...but then somehow support Rand who is now for sanctions? If I believe sanctions are bad, then they are bad.

The thinking you are suggesting is exactly what politicians tell themselves and in fact do! Bend a little here and a little there. Ron Paul has such an appeal for not only what he says but what he has stood for. It's one thing to have a change in belief because of learning or changing something it's another thing to simply vote against your core belief in some fashion because of compromise.

I will reserve a firm opinion on Rand until I learn more details but to believe that I should get over it and that it isn't that bad. THIS IS THE PROBLEM WITH POLITICS. Most all of the folks in washington are there, initially, under good intentions. It's that they let themselves get corrupted through little bitty votes and compromises like this. I can only hope Rand has some master plan but....he's no ron paul.

It was all about

defeating Ammendment 1274, and it is done.

nice play

voting for sanctions = act of war


and earmark is often a vehicle of corruption

so? look around you. is anything perfect?

we'll wake up when China puts sanctions on the US

and WE are affected.

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I couldn't agree more.

I couldn't agree more.

Cos Cob, CT

we're voting for the well being of this nation.. not the arabs

nor iran.. i have a feeling some people and mostly jew haters have an arabic background that contributes to the bias.. quite frankly i don't care about either.. middle east can go down in flames for all i care as long as it doesn't affect us here.. the moral argument sounds all nice and good but i wouldn't sacrifice chance to make positive changes here at home over it.. sad but if you don't stand up for yourself over there in the middle east, i don't really have an obligation to sacrifice MY good candidates over here to wipe your ass..

Then you sir

will watch America burn down. The rules have been thrown out the window long ago. There is no sacrifice here, it is called Rand Paul is outplaying his opponents by playing the game how he needs to play it. The wind breaks things that are strong but ungiving.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

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