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Be careful * Why Ron was not invited to the Jewish Coalition debate.* And what his campaign can do about it!

So, of course ridiculously claiming that inviting Ron Paul to the event would be like inviting Obama will enrage Paul supporters. This is a totally predicable consequence... It's so obvious that it proves that the establishment, regardless of what group they claim to speak for, are doing this specifically to incite a reaction.

I have a feeling that this is actually an attempt to pull some anger out of Paul supporters so that the media can try to use it against him. Why would he be excluded? Why would they compare Ron Paul to Obama?

By now we know that Ron's position on Israel exercising personal responsibility, something that they are totally capable of, and respecting their sovereignty is not popular among the more religious branch of the GOP. But, this is like comparing a BMW to a pushcart.

So make no mistake.. This will be recognized in the news. And what they are trying to do is create dirt on Ron Paul by searching for supporters who might act foolishly so they can play the anti-Semitic card. After all, they have absolutely nothing to run against Ron on except his foreign policy and what his philosophy of liberty means for the drug war and associated programs. The fact of the matter is it's starting to wear out and they need something new. Don't give it to them.

So what would I propose the campaign do to this un-American exclusion of someone who is pro Israeli sovereignty and a clear front runner in the early election states? Keep campaigning. Hold a Rally for the Republic and Pro Israeli event! Again present positions on essential issues with particular emphasis on goals to be friends with Israel, as well as all other nations. This will definitely attract media attention and would get mention in the news. I could even see it on Drudge.. 'Paul excluded from debate - Rallies his own, Draws thousands.'.

Damn it feels good to be an optimist.

They want to tell us that we aren't republican. We will show them what a true republic is all about. Starting with Iowa. Don't let them set the precedent and tell ourselves that if we are excluded from debates we will pretend we can ignore it. It'll just happen again and again.

EDIT: (Remember this?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOV0qCW7nBA#t=1m3s )

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Nah, lets not play group

Nah, lets not play group politics. The people who will be attracted to this movement will be attracted for reasons that transcend whatever group identity they've internalized. We don't need to pander to them. Plus, the MSM is expert at playing group politics, they'd pull a rabbit out of a hat and somehow it'd end up making us look like bigots.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

I don't think they would do it

They have careers to worry about, and if they oppose the Jewish Coalition's positions, they could end up like Rick Sanchez.

"I support the Declaration of Independence and I interpret the Constitution."

It's not televised, it's just

It's not televised, it's just a bunch of Neocons in a small room going full-retard, and working themselves into some kind of towering Jesus-based rage at...something, they're not exactly sure. In other words, who cares?

As for the antisemitism nonsense, it's nonsense, it shouldn't even be mentioned. If a stranger on the street starts frothing at the mouth and muttering something about you being a cannibalistic child molester, there's really no reason to respond, just walk on, and hope the fellow seeks the help he desperately requires.

*I must give credit where credit is due, "to work oneself into some kind of towering Jesus-based rage" is a genuine Hunter S. Thompson-ism, which I exploit every available opportunity to insert into conversation. : )

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

No, anti-Jesus based rage would be more like it.

Jesus said, "Blessed are the Peace Makers." This is a far cry from Pro-Preemptive War, Pro-Torture, Use Force to Steal from one group to give to another. As Ron Paul pointed out to the Christians at the Value Straw Poll he won, "Jesus did not say, 'Blessed are the War Makers.'"

ah, there you have it--


it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Whether their interpretation

Whether their interpretation of Christianity is correct or not (it's not), they DO ground their political views in their "Christian" faith - just like people who advocate shredding the Bill of Right wrap themselves in the flag. They're idiots, naturally, but that doesn't seem to stop them from existing. So, there they are!

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Where do you learn it's not televised?

Just curious - yet still, it shuts out an important voice, even if it isn't televised.

- Joe

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I heard that it would be

I heard that it would be untelevised here on the DP actually...some random post somewhere, couldn't point you to it. But below is their formal announcement, which says nothing about any TV broadcast.


In any case, sure I would like to see RP get any and all possible press, but, in the grand scheme of things, this is a little event that will only be noticed by the insiders running it and the political junkies like ourselves. I'd say it's more about vetting the various establishment candidates than promoting any of them - by this logic Ron's not missing any press, and of course we know in advance he's not going to get their endorsement, so...

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Just call them and POLITELY ask them to Reconsider!

They do appreciate politeness.

I just did just that. Also the donations to the group are not Tax Deductible. So the IRS wouldn't care.

- Joe Eckstein

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Ron Paul banned from the debate?!?!?!?!?!

Jewish Republicans Group has Banned, yes banned Ron Paul from their debate! "No AMERICA FIRSTERS ALLOWED" so guess what, Romney, Newt, and the rest of the "lets kiss Israel's ass-for-the-money" crowd will be "debating". The excuse given was saying that Ron Paul and his supporters are "Anti-Semitic extremists". Ron Paul and his supporters are NOT Anti-Semitic as some claim,...Ron Paul and his supporters are Anti-Fascist,... and Israel and the USA are big causes for concern.

What many Americans have a hard time getting around is the irrational antisemitism phobia & the modern PC police dancing around in their own heads. Americans need a 3 step program to detox from their Antisemitism Phobia and their PC police that is holding there clear headed thinking down. Here is the first step to cure of irrational Antisemitism phobia & PC Police bouncing around in American heads... ..... Dear Americans... For the next 6 months....

STEP 1) Whenever you read any news article or listen to any story about Israel, simply replace the words "Israel" with "South Africa".

STEP 2) Next, whenever the article says "Jews" or "Jewish people" you flip it around and say "White" or "White people" in your head. STEP

3) Next, when it says "Palestinians" you flip that around and say "Blacks" or "Black people".

That's all there is to it!!!

Now, you must KEEP doing that for the next 6 months and I guarantee you will be cured of your irrational antisemitism phobia & PC police in regards to Israel, Jews, and Zionism.

Then, when you are finished with your 6 months treatment and you are out on recovery, slowly reinsert the words "Israel", "Jews" and "Palestinians" back into their place. Now read the news article for the first time with a clearer, detox mind. Your mind, devoid of the PC police and the super irrational hypersensitivity to the Antisemitism charge, can read clearly and best of all, achieve a new comprehension and appreciation for all sides of the conflict.

Now this will be a very emotionally tender time for you. You might not make it. You may experience such a rush of horrific guilt at the memory of your undying support of such a fascist-racist-apartheid State created by the UN no less, that you may begin to breakdown and cry for weeks. This new information combined with your old understanding of the how evil the Palestinians can be will surely be depressing.

WARNING: Full comprehension of the evil on both sides of the issue may cause Suicidal depression is a real possibility.

If that happens, call a friend or come here to the Facebook and we will walk you through it. DO NOT lock yourself in a room all by yourself! We will forgive you and reassure you that YES, you CAN love and care for Jewish people as people like anyone else, just NOT the Policies and Practices of Israel and certainly not as some sort of 'special' people with 'special rights' to land given to them by gawd. Remember, Mosses did not come down from the mountaintop with a real estate deed, just the ten commandments.

Rest assured, there is hope for you Americans yet. You can rid yourself the the mind screwing that you've suffered under the PC-Police. Best of all, your emotional energies will finally be in alignment with all the rest of your freedom loving feelings.

So take the cure. Do it now. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

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I think Dr. Paul should hold a rally for "U.S." troops!

A special day for US troops that are used to protect the interests of a foreign land, and of who contribute to Dr. Paul more than any other candidate. I love the rhetoric, and how the US military is worshiped, that is until they tell America who they feel would best serve our nation. This is more a slap in the face of our men and women in uniform that stand behind Dr. Paul, while the rest choose to stand behind Israel over their own nation, and more importantly our military. This is a great time for Dr. Paul to show that his focus in on the US and the US alone.

Always remember:
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." ~ Samuel Adams
If they hate us for our freedom, they must LOVE us now....

Stay IRATE, remain TIRELESS, an

you know, they ARE citizens; that's not a . . .

bad idea--

something that emphasizes the constitution and their oaths to it--

he could 'speak' to them, as he does to his constituents--

but here I am being a rank hypocrite; I have never believed that telling Dr. Paul what to do is a good idea, and yet *your* idea is a valid one.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

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The Jewish Lobby Runs Our Election Process..This is an Example

The Israeli Jewish Lobby has be running the United States through our congress and our election process. It is so obvious, I wonder why more Americans haven't seen this before.

So here is what they do. They didn't invite a 'Top Tier' Presidential candidate to the next televised debate because he doesn't support the slaughter of innocent Iranian citizens, in a war where nobody ever wins.

We ought to be screaming from the roof tops over this travisty of injustice. I don't know how they can get away with dictating our American elections by shutting out the only real defender of our U.S. Constitution.

The former head of the Israeli Army, the former head of the Israeli Mossad is against war with Iran, and over 60% of Israels citizens are against a war with Iran.

Even former Secretary of Defense Gates said we would be 'out our mind to start another war.'

Here we are dabating this crap about Herman Cain giving this poor woman, Ginger White money, and poor ole' Herman Cain, he just wanted Ginger White take her pants off. So everyone flocks to the aid of Herman Cain, while the Israeli lobby runs frantically to the Jewish Coalition, to force them to bar Ron Paul from this debate, because he isn't some sort of nut job, foaming at the mouth in anticipation of going to war with Iran to kill Iranians. If Israel lobby is guilty of influencing this debate, I am no friend of Israel and their Mossad Lobby.

I will not watch this debate, you can be sure of that and I will forever say that America and American should only worry about America first, not unlike what Charles Limbergh Jr. said before his baby was taken and murdered by those plotted to keep him from running for president in the thirties.

It is time for all Americans to stop drinking the COOL -AID and draw a line in the sand. We must see this for what it is, the censorship of GOP Presidential candidate Ron Paul..
The system can't get away with this, if we speak out about this injustice.

You crack heads want to tell me about rights..They have a right..BS Not when they discriminate the way they do, baring a 'top tier' candidate. Are you kidding me? Everyone else was invited. Right? This crap has to stop. Quit taking Israels side here. They can't have both ways. They don't want us to discriminate them and at the same time they rail against anyone who doesn't think of them first. Talking about rights. We have the right to let Israel sink in the middle east too. Don't we?

I'm an American,I don't give a sh*t about Israel! Ok? The state of Israel was granted to the Jewish people by and for the British Empire. They have been cursed to fighting among themselves for thousands of years. That is their plight. I only care about our mess here in America.

Its about time we send a message to the AMEN CORNER, AMERICA FIRST!!

Brainstorm on ideas to make this backfire

On the other thread I spoke of how there should be no blowback, but we need to make this backfire on the RJC.

Being excluded is not a big deal, but this could be a big positive for Ron Paul if handled right.

I started collecting ideas from others without judging their value. The list is below. I didn't give credit to the commenter always, but none of the ideas were mine . . . except maybe one.

Please discuss these and add to it. Are there actions that we can agree on taking as a group?

1) Israeli Libertarian protest in Israel and anywhere else in the world. (peaceandloverunronrun2012)

2) Rally next door to the debate - Jewish Ron Paul supporters - help fund them to be flown in?

3) Hold another debate the same day and invite the other candidates. Will any of them accept?

4) Flood the MSM stations with emails about this - not the RJC

5) Slogan --- Give Isreal Her Soveringty! Vote Ron Paul!

) Some media outlet should have Dr. Paul do a play-by-play.

6) RJC Blackmailing candidates - Can anything be done with this?

7) "Headlines" that show the true nature of what the RJC is doing.

Sample headline from Troy:
"special interest lobby wants panderer to become president, holds forum to decide who is best panderer of them all. paul, not invited."

I'm Jewish too and I sent an email...

to the RJC protesting the exclusion of Ron Paul. It is a disgrace what they did and they should hear from all Ron Paul supporters that we believe in a Constitutional foreign policy.

Everyone should send a polite email to them. Let's load up their inbox!

Great Article On This


RJC can be reached by email at rjc@rjchq.org or:

50 F Street, N.W.
Suite 100
Washington, DC 20001
Phone: 202.638.6688
Fax: 202.638.6694

I just contacted them to explain that my Jewish family, the Baums, left Austria during WW1 in order to escape the tyranny of a government that they saw coming. All of the Republican candidates that were invited to this debate personify and support the actions of our Federal Government (indefinite detention of its citizens, torture, wars of aggression, secret police) that are coinciding with early actions of the government that my family saw as a threat to their life and their freedom. To not invite the ONLY candidate that speaks against this encroachment of the Federal Government that we see today is to ignore one of the most important chapter’s of history in the Jewish culture. Shame on them.

His response? Freedom of association.

Perhaps a Peace Rally

Maybe we should put on a peace rally outside the debate center with friendly people waving posters with the Star of David and the American flag and Ron Paul for President, etc. on them. It might get a little attention.

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I consider many pro-peace / pro-civil liberties Jews among

progressives (like the great Glenn Greenwald), Jewish Voice for Peace, American Jews for Just Peace, Orthodox Jews for Peace, Tikkun olam and many many others to be the MAINSTREAM Jewish people.

Perhaps THEY can form an alternate Jewish coalition and invite Ron for a forum to discuss non-interventionist foreign policy to counter this spiteful treatment of RonPaul by a little neocon warmongering zionist tribe.

When it comes to religion and ethnicity logic flies out the

door and emotion rules.

People who heavily take their own identity from being part of a group will take any perceived threat to that group as a personal threat to themselves. It doesn't matter what the logic; once an individual gets it in his mind that the group is not being supported, you might as well end the conversation. This is why people sometime go to war over the most trivial affronts, perceived or actual.

"Bend over and grab your ankles" should be etched in stone at the entrance to every government building and every government office.

Michael Scheurer needs to get

Michael Scheurer needs to get out there more and support Paul.

Run an Infomercial at the same time

Im sure it would cost a ton... but maybe the campaign can run an infomercial to compete with the debate. Think of a 1 hr long segment which explains pauls foreign policy along with guests ... jewish and military supporters. Also feature robert pape and michael scheurer.

This would be a professional response to their obviously unprofessional attack.

If not an infomercial perhaps oneof the competing news networks would be willing to air a debate between ron paul and one of their hosts.

"A true competitor wants their opponent at their best." Lao Tzu

Fabulous Idea...i pledge $250 for an Infomercial!

I pledge $250 for an infomercial to explain his Foreign Policy. Go for it!

I will donate to an Infomercial as well.

Ron can steal the show!

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I agree

I plan to ignore this and just keep doing what I've been doing.

http://www.rjchq.org/ Don't


Don't disrupt them, just ask why they are excluding Paul 202.638.6688

I registered just to post,

I registered just to post, this is showing the true neo-conservative powers of the Dem/Rep, the PNAC wants to redraw the map of the middle east and they want nothing to stop them

Zionist opression ends now.

Wouldn't this be in violation of Federal Campaign laws

or FCC laws if it is going to be telivised or broadcast over public airwaves ?

Ron Swanson


I view it as blackmailing of presidential candidates so that they will continue to give foregin aid, no doubt to RJC members well connected with Israel.

Michael I urge you to remove

Michael I urge you to remove this topic from the front page. It appears to be trolling for anything that can be used to distract readers from the real issues. Ron Paul has a pro-Israel record whereas he wants Israel to have its sovereignty -- we all know that.

Ron Paul's Golden Rule

Ron Paul's Golden Rule foreign policy is too extreme for the Republican Jewish Coalition. That is why there will never be peace in that region. They do not understand the power of forgiveness. They want endless war. We are on the path to world war just as we were before World War I. It will take an individual incident for all hell to break loose, I feel. We need Ron Paul as president so bad. I do not understand why these people are so against him. It is not just this coalition but many, many other news organizations treat him as if he does not exist.

Also when I think of conservative I think of Warren Harding. Ron Paul is today's Warren Harding. Harding was extremely non-interventionist. Plus he is probably the only president of the 20th century to actually cut spending and taxes. I can't think of a more conservative than Harding. Isn't conservatism the same thing as normalcy? Isn't normalcy the platform of Ron Paul? I think it is. Let's get the hell out of these entangling foreign affairs, let's cut spending and taxes like heck.

The difference between Harding and Paul is that Harding was actually a journalist, so he was good at getting people on his side with words and such.