Rand Paul Single Handedly Stops Amendment
Submitted by Republicae on Sat, 12/03/2011 - 23:10Rand Paul Single Handedly Stops Amendment that Would Have Allowed the Government to Detain American Citizens Indefinitely
Last Night, Senator Rand Paul prevented the passage of an amendment that would have further eroded Americans’ constitutional rights. The National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal 2012 (S.1867), amendment No. 1274 would have allowed the U.S. government to detain an American citizen indefinitely, even after they had been tried and found not guilty, until Congress declares an end to the war on terror.
“Suspicion of committing a crime should lead to your attempted prosecution. If the evidence does not support conviction, it would be against everything we believe in and fight for in America to still allow the government to imprison you at their whim,” Sen. Paul said. “Tonight, a blow was struck to fight back against those who would take our liberty.”
The amendment would have passed by voice vote, but this tactic was blocked by Sen. Paul’s objection. He then forced a roll call vote, in which the amendment was defeated, 41-59.
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http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2011/12/rand-paul-singl...
The NDAA still allows the
The NDAA still allows the government to apprehend and detain Americans indefinitely. This amendment expanded on that; allowing the government to detain Americans even after they had been tried and found not-guilty. All, striking down this amendment means is that if they apprehend you there wont, possibly ever, be a trial.
Still confused
I created a thread on this, though:
http://uspoutland.yuku.com/topic/2804/Rand-Paul-Single-Hande...
Feel free to come by and help me understand.
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From what I'm reading, the power to detain US citizens
indefinitely still went through.
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Then Rand is very confused
Then Rand is very confused because he stated the Amendment 1274 was defeated and removed from the overall bill.
Here the direct wording in Senator Paul's statement on the matter:
Sen. Rand Paul prevented the passage of an amendment that would have further eroded Americans’ constitutional rights. Offered to the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal 2012 (S.1867), amendment No. 1274 would have allowed the U.S. government to detain an American citizen indefinitely, even after they had been tried and found not guilty, until Congress declares an end to the war on terror.
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Supoosedly it was, I read the same thing
but that may not be all of the story.
If someone could find the bill that was voted on at the later date 93-7 that would perhaps clear some things up.
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/12/senate-military-dete...
He got rid of 1274 but evidently there are still issues.
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Oh, indeed there are still
Oh, indeed there are still issues and he admitted that he had won the battle on that Amendment, but that the war was still raging.
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Well the war with the bill looks like it wasn't won either.
Sure he got 1274 taken out but people are still saying the bill allows the same thing. I wouldn't call that a win.
The fact that he's trying is great.
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..
http://www.prisonplanet.com/indefinite-detention-bill-passes...
"The Senate last night codified into law the power of the U.S. military to indefinitely detain an American citizen with no charge, no trial and no oversight whatsoever with the passage of S. 1867, the National Defense Authorization Act.
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One amendment that would have specifically blocked the measures from being used against U.S. citizens was voted down and the final bill was passed 93-7."
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Just found this
http://www.prisonplanet.com/indefinite-detention-bill-passes...
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Update: I see from the
Update:
I see from the comments that there is some confusion over what Senator Paul was able to accomplish. The National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal 2012 (S.1867) passed. Senator Paul was only able to stop amendment No. 1274 attached to the bill. Here the direct wording in Senator Paul's statement on the matter:
Sen. Rand Paul prevented the passage of an amendment that would have further eroded Americans’ constitutional rights. Offered to the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal 2012 (S.1867), amendment No. 1274 would have allowed the U.S. government to detain an American citizen indefinitely, even after they had been tried and found not guilty, until Congress declares an end to the war on terror.
No doubt, other provisions in the act treat the rights of American citizens with additional disrespect. Senator Rand has won a battle here, not the war.
Read it here:http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2011/12/rand-paul-single-handedly-stops-bill.html
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Did he actually get it stopped or not..
Does anyone know if what I said is true?
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YES, the actual vote was 59
YES, the actual vote was 59 opposed and 41 in favor!
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In other words, it killed
In other words, it killed Amendment No. 1274, the offensive Amendment in question.
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I'm still looking. I'm not so sure.
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/12/02/rand-paul-a-liberal...
Can someone who is good at the legal research crap look the actual up-to-date bill up and post it?
I can't find it.
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Didn't they get another version passed 93-7?
I haven't seen the new version but some have said it's the same thing, just worded differently.
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No, that was a procedural
No, that was a procedural vote on an Amendment proposed by Diane Feinstein.
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So none of it got passed?
I'm new to this legal crud and am trying to learn.
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Now I am not sure about the
Now I am not sure about the rest of the Bill however, it was the Amendment 1274 that was the one that would allow the President to determine if an American on American Soil could be detained without charge or trial. That Amendment was voted out of the overall Defense Bill.
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