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For how many of you, is this your "last" election important election.

I'm 35, and on the verge of exiting active politics, have already long abandoned truth-to-exposure news, and going to abandon voting after 2012.

How many of you out there are on this verge? I feel as though I will plunge into an anarchaic society and system, where the illusion of voting and presentation of viewpoints and fair news could possibly be presented, will not be, and I won't have cared by then.

This is already the case, but I am TRYING to maintain a positive spirit and attitude for one more voting cycle and then it is going to be the end for me. I will get out of politics and get 100% into survival and the associated tactics. I cannot see another path unless RP is elected.

I don't care if I see Rand Paul on a ticket in any way, shape, or form in the future, this is the political end for me. Everything else beyond Ron Paul's failure is survival action for the inevitable. Does anyone else feel the same atmosphere?




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all or nothing for me

I'm seriously considering moving out the country. I refuse to live in a country where a guy like Newt Gingrich can be one of the top 2 contenders for president. I'd rather let these baby boomers die than jack up my taxes to pay for their social security (which I will get none of) and pass on trillions of debt to me and my kids.

If we don't win this time

we will have already won this time, we have made incredible gains in 4 years. Rand Paul will win in a landslide if we have to wait until then. If by then it goes down, I look forward to gathering firewood and building log cabins with people like you, I just hope one of us is good at making moonshine so we can have a little sip now and then. Live free or die, I plan to do either. Don't fade without us, fade with us if it happens.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

Thats just what they want you to do

Give up and go away.

I am in it for life. This is a revolution not a campaign. I am a patriot and I will fight for freedom until I die or am killed. This is not just about Dr. Paul although he is the best leader imaginable. We need to become a million Ron Pauls and fight for freedom for life. Thats what he did.

my 2 bits

I will fight or flee as necessary. I do have to live my life afterall, regardless of the hand that is dealt to me. This is my first real rodeo as fas as elections go, I never was politically active before. I like to tell people that after driving for 23 years, my first bumper sticker says "RonPaul2012" and the first campaign I ever donated to was this one. Sorry I missed 07/08 guys...my head was in the sand.

All that being said, I agree. This is it. Ron Paul or bust...I don't think we will make it through the next election cycle with anything that resembles the US as we know it. The pace of change is exponential.

in 2016 there will be a dollar and there will be somebody to vote for...but what's the point of caring if we are trading recipes for treebark soup.

Well, you've got a year left

Well, you've got a year left until judgement day. Make it count!

Voting is already a joke and

Voting is already a joke and not voting is a perfectly good option when the only choices you have are things like "McCain or Obama?"

To be honest with you I think whoever wins is going to preside over a train wreck the likes of which we've never seen. If Ron Paul doesn't win I'm already looking to immigrate anyway.

I have been thinking the same

I have been thinking the same thing, mainly for this reason: I dont see the establishment stopping these wars anytime soon and as more and more people become disenfranchised with the wars, with less volunteers I can see a draft being implemented again. My wife and I are going to try and have kids in the near future and I dont want my children going to fight and die for someone elses political agenda.

So I guess Im trying to figure out where to go if things head even further south.

Go out and visit other places

Go out and visit other places and you'll find someplace you like and some people you're comfortable around. The world's so much bigger than America.

Where will you be safe?

If the experiment in liberty fails and the United States falls, where on Earth will be free from the deep hibernation of freedom that will result?

To quote Captain Picard: "We draw the line here! No further!"

"The casualty of partisanship is objectivity."

This has been discussed here many times

You have not invested into bug out property?

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

No. I believe that America is

No. I believe that America is worth fighting, and dying for, if necessary. I respect if others feel differently or have other priorities (i.e., family).

I do not believe that there will be a 'world' as we know it today if the United States were to fall (further?) to fascism. I'm sure the people of Afghanistan weren't terribly worried about the U.S. before 9/11. Weren't they surprised?

The United States is liberty's last stand, IMHO.

"The casualty of partisanship is objectivity."

I agree

I too want to stay and fight.What I meant was having a place to defend while it all goes insane.Then move back down to reclaim justice and freedom.There will come a time when those that live next to each other will wish they did not.

We may not understand it but we really do live in the best nation in the world,We just need to have the perseverance to keep it that way.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Ahh, I misread what you

Ahh, I misread what you meant. Sadly, the answer is still 'no'. I'm going to college and a bit too broke to have anything like a good backup plan. That, and it is hard to convince others of the necessity for a contingency plan.

I agree with everything you said. I'm glad you're out there in the world. It makes me feel better just knowing you're out there. Peace, and good luck.

"The casualty of partisanship is objectivity."

I'm not so much worried about

I'm not so much worried about personal safety, I just want to live in a freer country. I've worked in several other places that I liked and could happily live in.

I certainly understand your

I certainly understand your sentiment. It is my belief that cultures and nations are becoming more and more homogenous. Toleration of cultural differences and sovereignty are receding. The United States is leading the drive towards globalization.

Should it fall to tyranny, I wonder how long those places you enjoy will be allowed to continue as they are.

"The casualty of partisanship is objectivity."

The US will fall. Imo it will

The US will fall. Imo it will fall within 5 years. Maybe a Soviet style break up, maybe a violent revolution but it will fall. I'm not worried about it, even if I got stuck here. I'm not scared of poverty or violence.

If and when the US falls I don't think that necessarily means the end of the world. It might but its not a necessary conclusion. I don't see any reason why places I would choose would be in the same situation as America. if it does that's fine too. I don't worry about things that are totally out of my control.

Agreed. That is a good

Agreed. That is a good attitude to have. I do not think anything is a forgone conclusion, I just like to operate under the assumption of a worst-case scenario.

I don't really think it will be the end of the world, just the end of liberty. Perhaps for a very long time. If we were the sort of people who had the information necessary to make more accurate predictions, then we'd have some real power to effect change.

"The casualty of partisanship is objectivity."

Good point.

Good point.

I encourage you very much

to listen to this lecture to put the fight for liberty in perspective. The whole thing is good but the part I'm referring to is at 24:45 - 32:57.
It is a beautiful metaphor by Jeffrey Tucker of the Mises institute. It's the story of men building a beautiful cathedral and the giving of self it took, all for the love of humanity.

http://mises.org/media/6675/The-Austrian-Masters-on-the-Digi...

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It's likely that I will support Rand

perhaps not quite as involved, as I am getting older and tiring, but I will still walk the scorched earth (Judge Dredd) carrying the message.

I hand my activism torch off to all you young whippersnappers still full of piss and vinegar. Godspeed. Go do your thing. Be Americans. Be patriots.

bigmikedude will be older and in his off the grid peaceful farm life for the remainder of his years enjoying the nature and sustenance around that we never look at anymore which has been replaced by LCD screens with text messages on them.

I agree...have very similar

I agree...have very similar feelings, but with a big twist.

I think 2012 is Humanity's last chance to right our wrongs. This is it...we have approached the cliff and we are soon about to run off of it.

It's either we go over a cliff, and all hell breaks loose...or America elects Ron Paul.

America represents the World....look at us, a giant melting pot of people from all over the globe. The Great Babylon - Baby Land. We refuse to grow up.

Our ancestors came from all 4 corners of the planet...and here we are now in America, in late 2011 confronted with a choice to elect Dr. Good or Dr. Evil.

Ron Paul is Humanity's Last Hope.

If Obama wins, stick a fork in America and Humanity...we're finished, and done but in more ways than one.

2012 is literally a Crossroads in time and space.

Dec. 21st 2012 will represent a gigantic shift - for good, or for evil?

We have two paths by which we can go by...and there is still time to change the road we are on.

If we do not change the road we are on, I personally feel as if God is going to click on the "Galactic Refresh," button to start anew.

How many chances will humanity get to do what is right?

How many thousands of years is it going to take?

I do not think God will just wreak havoc and sink the great, "Atlantis," this time.....I fear that God will do away with "humans," and let some other life forms manifest themselves into living souls on a planet 45 thousand light years from Earth - a place where sentient human beings no longer exist.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

I totally agree about this

I totally agree about this next year being a crossroads.

I dont know man.

I have been a supporter of Ron Paul and liberty since 2007. Some days I am optimistic at all the support that Dr. Paul has. His base is not only energetic but also, on average, MUCH more informed than the people who still buy the two party lie. My concern is, when Dr. Paul is gone, where does all that enthusiasim go? There arent that many in D.C. who we could rally behind save maybe Rand.

I get optomisitc at the support but I fear that even if Dr. Paul gets elected it may be too late. If anyone has read "Brave New World" thats kinda where Im coming from. Not enough people care to throw off thier chains.

It makes me schizophrenic, in the sense that It makes me want to fight harder and flee the sinking ship at the same time.

This year's campaign changed

This year's campaign changed me. 2007 exposed me to the truths (wasn't so much eye-opening as giving my inquisitive mind the answers I was looking for). I actually felt support for a candidate so strong that I wrote him in.

This year I am more than just supporting. Sure I have 6 RP bumper stickers on my car, and I donate in the moneybombs and tell all my friends about Ron Paul. But something else happened.

My whole life I've said I would never work for the government, but this year the RP candidacy motivated me to get into politics. Without giving too many details about my personal life, I have the foundation set that I can realistically get into politics and have strong financial and political backing. I'm not sure if it will be 2016 or 2020, but I'm planning on running for congress.

I don't want to work for the government, but we won't change things by just electing Ron Paul. We need to elect true conservative Libertarians, and when we lack viable candidates we need to step up and take the position ourselves.

Hold my nose and join government to help change it from the inside.

35 and your ALREADY QUITING!

Come on man, keep fightin! I'd hate to see a good man go down. A republic only works of it has a politicly active public.

All I've ever known of a real man since 28 yrs old

when I truly started to care, was Ron Paul. And I know others have his spirit and are in some office, but it's going to be too late. The stupid voting machines, the destruction of society...

This election is so GD important and only he can bring it on, or us, however you want to name it. It's the cusp of electronic vote fraud, the MSM crap, the everything. He's like, literally, a stunt-man vaulting through a basalm stunt window before it's engulfed in flames. This is now or it's never really going to be.