The "You Broke It you Bought It" analogy
Submitted by pd on Fri, 09/07/2007 - 17:02Surely the logic of it is that the American Military is still in the Iraqi shop, STILL BREAKING STUFF.
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Surely the logic of it is that the American Military is still in the Iraqi shop, STILL BREAKING STUFF.
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All I have to say is..............
If America is liable for evething we have broke in the world. We better come home and save that 1 trillian a year. We will be lucky if 1 trillian would cover the interest on the judgement after a lawsuit.
Dems & Bush: NO GUTS
RP's best "fast come back" against Huckabee...and anyone else....
RP to Huckabee, "Your head may be filled with honor, but your stomach needs the Guts to end the war. Its time to declare victory and come home."
Invest in Liberty, one Apartment deal at a time with me. Get a check each month as a passive investor, just ask me how.
Throwing good money after bad
is one I'm sure his mother told him too.
Donna
"Broke it" assumes a single "it"
IMO "it" wasn't ever one "it" in the first place. Iraq in its current form was, is, and will be for the foreseeable future THREE DIFFERENT COUNTRIES. The only way to peace is to understand that simple fact, which has now been stated by Presidential candidates all the way from Brownback to Biden. Our strategy is wrong because by erecting the super-expensive SUPER-Embassy we're assuming a continuation of one-Iraq, and the only way to have that is a brutal and large government, as Saddam proved for decades.
The UN doesn't want one country that was always three to turn back into three countries, ESPECIALLY the various UN members like Iran, Turkey, and the other 2 in Iraq (Shiastan & especially Sunnistan under Saddam!) which all have a sordid history of trying to kill every single Kurd they possibly can. If Kurds suddenly get a voice and a vote, they can say much more loudly just how brutal Turkey & Iran have been, since everyone already knows about Saddam's attempts to gas them all to death. They'd also get to vote.
As "Iraq," the people (who still consider themselves Sunnis, Shias, or Kurds rather than Iraqis, IMO) have a LOT of old scores to settle. Stealing from the Iraq government, if one gets a chance, is a tempting way to settle such old scores. Those old scores which have caused so-much corruption would be much less of a factor if there were no-longer an Iraq, so if you were stealing from the smaller new governments you'd effectively be stealing from YOUR OWN TRIBE. This tends NOT to happen, because as a Sunni, Shia, or Kurd your beef was against Iraq -- not your hopeful, tiny, new country. Will a split into 3 countries make Iraq a safe place for US tourists? Not right away, but considering Vietnam, probably during the remainder of my lifetime IF we don't screw it up...
JMR
PS I don't understand why, but the socialists of The Nation sometimes get one right, and this piece, despite the partisan headline, is one of those times.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20041101/klein
It sure seems like a bipartisan money-scandal to me....
We can't split Iraq
The failing in people like Brownback and Biden's reasoning is twofold. First, WE have no authority to split Iraq and no way to enforce such a split. That would be for Iraqis alone to decide. Second, huge areas of the country are mixed. There's no way to effectively declare most parts of Iraq "Sunni" vs. "shi'ite". That would be like those idiots that wanted to split the US along red and blue state lines. I live in CT, as solid a blue state as you can find. But, it's still 45% red.
There is no fundamental reason why Iraqi's of different persuasions can't live together in peace. There is an article on the front page of Worldnetdaily today that said Sunni's and Shi'ite in Iraq frequently intermarried in years past. Iraq is a secular country, remember? That was one of the reasons given for the fact that Saddam and Al-Qaida wouldn't work closely together. The current trouble between them isn't about religion so much as greed. They only need a cause to bind them together again. That cause would be ridding the country of Al Qaida, despised now by all sides, but for the fact that our support has kept them from initiating the purge. Some in Iraq have begun the fight, but I don't think it will reach a critical mass until we have withdrawn.
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57517
The 3 state solution would be worst than a 51st state solution
I agree that you could not split the country into three states. To do so would require that we stay there forever to enforce this rule. It would be easier to elect a governor and call Iraq a state and that is meant to be a completely ridiculous suggestion.
The eventual solution in any event will be to leave Iraq alone to figure it out for themselves. The question is how long we go on killing Americans and Iraqis and recruiting for Al Queda, before our government realizes this fact.
Have you noticed
how Huckabee (and others) quickly transform it into "You broke it, you FIX it". Just as little Timmy will have no chance glueing all the shattered pieces together, so lil Georgie and the neocons will have no chance reconstituting Iraq. So far a $700 billion war? I think the neocons just pitched Americans into the Poverty Barn.
You broke it
Let's look at this analogy a little closer. Huckabee is comparing the war in Iraq to breaking a little toy in the store. That sounds to me like he is saying he shouldn't have been playing with the toy in the first place. Without even realizing it, Huckabee is the first of the "bewildered 8" to come over to Ron Paul's side. He says it himself. If he hadn't played with the toy in the first place, it would never have been broken. He admitted on national TV that the United States should never have gone into this war.
Next he says that his mother made him fix the problem by buying the broken toy. Someone needs to tell Mr. Huckabee that his "mommy" in the White House is the American people speaking through their representatives, and the money he's spending to save face for his idiotic action happens to be the lives of young American men and women.
Huckabee, you had it partly right; we shouldn't have gone in the first place. But your twisted and demented solution of killing our kids so you can buy back your "TOY" and save face makes me want to vomit.
How about Huckabee for
How about Huckabee for governor of the 51st state of the United States. He can do whatever he wants with his broken toy.
Broke it
Do we really need someone in office that apparently breaks so many things? I think not. If you're breaking things in a store.....GET THE HELL OUT OF THE STORE!.......and send the owner a check.
Maybe he'll give us a nice story about his Aunt next time. I'll make sure I have my vomit bag ready.
Bob W., Naples, FL
Bob W., Naples, FL
Lots of illogical reasoning
When I heard the "you break it, you bought it" comment, I also felt the same thing. We broke it, so let's keep breaking it. Huckabee relies a lot on down-homesy type anecdotes, which is sad because he is the only other Republican candidate I can stand to listen to. But sometimes you should really think about something, rather than coming up with a clever story. I mean, we are talking about people's lives here. How pompous of us to think that we can fix it in the first place and that we are the only ones that can fix it.
The other thing that came out of the debate was that it was wrong to listen to your enemies. You can't do anything that your enemies said you should do, because that would be pandering to them and that would be wrong. By that reasoning, if your enemy said the sky was blue, you would have to contend that it is green or red or anything but blue. Sometimes you enemy will speak the truth and be right, so that means whatever you do willl naturally be wrong.
How about we think about what is right, and not come up with clever sayings or worry about "honor". The men and women serving are already honorable. The only ones that lose honor are those that started it and don't have the guts to admit it was wrong and stop it.
Breaking lots of items
Instead of just breaking an item in the shop, we're breaking the whole shop, and we can't afford it.
LOL i like
:)
Yeah, it should be "You
Yeah, it should be "You broke it, you bought it, now break it some more."
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