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Voting has now ended, and I will begin to compile the thoughts in the order of priority that they were voted on. This will be emailed tonight, and Dr. Paul should read it in the next couple of days. Thank you for participating. We have now returned back to radio silence.
This December 15th debate is the LAST chance to get out the MOST important messages to the voters before the Iowa Caucus. I personally think we need a knockout punch.

What do you think those messages or refinements should be?

What headlines would you like to read about something RP said?

I will be adding my own suggestions to be voted on as well.

The top ten suggestions will be voted on, compiled, and forwarded to Dr. Paul personally.
I have just received word that it is going to be busy week for the good Doc. (one of the young ones is getting married) and the sooner the better for getting word to him.
If you have multiple suggestions, then please split them into individual posts so they can be voted on independently.

**Please also read through to avoid duplicate ideas, and vote on the ones you think should be forwarded.

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Can you please post the results and share with us what was sent to President Paul?

HopeRenewed - 6/13/2011
Neither should we sacrifice Liberty for Safety nor Integrity for Concessions. True Liberty can not exist in the absence of integrity. Liberty gained through compromise is but a temporary illusion.


but no. (for a couple of reasons)

There's not really supposed to be any connection with the GR and HQ.
Plus, other campaigns are reading this site, and rip us off frequently. Beyochmann is a good example of that.

You can look and see what was voted the highest, and get a decent idea of what was included. (aside from the 2nd amendment stuff which I chose not to include)

It was basically a huge thank you from all of us, and a few words of encouragement.
It also spoke a little about how all of his life experiences, and career paths seemed to have led to this moment in history. It talked a little about destiny and embracing that.
It had some suggestions as to what should be brought up in the debate, and the campaign overall.
It also has some refinements of certain ideas he's been trying to get across.

If he says something in the debates tomorrow, I will be sure to chime in with a hell yeah!!

Until then, you and the others reading will just have to guess. Hope you understand. We're not going to show our hand for the world to see.


and thank you for allowing us to participate in the process.

HopeRenewed - 6/13/2011
Neither should we sacrifice Liberty for Safety nor Integrity for Concessions. True Liberty can not exist in the absence of integrity. Liberty gained through compromise is but a temporary illusion.

Whatever Ron says, it is time

Whatever Ron says, it is time to act less stern. To act like the President, convincing the people with an honest message. Not to act like a candidate trying to get their vote, but just as President, trying to lead us back to prosperity. ie BY closing these 5 departments it will begin to get schools (etc.) back in order, and no mandatory mental health screenings will be necessary..blah blah. It will do this, it will specifically do that for us. With love and a smile and a lot of true hope in his eyes with his heart shining through.

Social Security

A clear statement of exactly what will happen to those on Social Security if he becomes President and exactly
what will be done to restore the Trust Funds, and ensure that the promises are kept to all those who contributed
over their lifetimes.

So those in Florida and elswhere, will know without a doubt that they
won't loose their Social Security now or anytime in the future IF they vote for Dr. Paul.

Show how he is the ONLY one on the stage who has a plan to SAVE Social Security for those already in the system.

And a way to get out, for those who want to get out.

Ron uses the comment he will make sure that those dependent
will be tided over, until we can get rid of Social Security, but
they need to hear loud and clear, that they will not loose it
now, a year from now, or 10 years from now. In other words,
their Social Security will be intact!

Do that and watch the polls rise in Florida. And elsewhere.

Get the idea you are 70 years old and your only source of
income is going to disappear.

There are millions of voters considering this very point.

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Regarding Foreign Policy

I would like Ron to make VERY clear, what he would do
to ACT in defense of his oath of office.

I know we understand it, but sometimes I think Conservatives think Ron Paul would not Act in the right scenario.
This is largely due to the media spin, but a problem none the less.

What he envisions as a Strong National Defense.

Why bringing the troops home would ensure our National

And why having our troops all around the world is weakening
our National Defense.

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Hugely Important-Health Freedom

Alternative Medicine and peoples right to choose is a HUGE
audience in America.

In 1996 I believe was the year, The public was outraged
and completely jammed the white house and the phones with
more communication than has ever hit Washington. On the subject of Health freedom.

We now have CODEX Alimentarius breathing down our necks that would restrict access to vitamins, Natural Medicine, and
you will probably need a Prescription to get Vitamin C!

I know Ron Knows about this issue, but I am not sure if the Campaign Realizes how huge of an audience he has on this.

Say "Chiropractors and Naturopaths for Ron Paul!"

None of the other Candidates even address this subject
because they are in bed with the drug Companies. Financed by Big Pharma! He could equate Big Farma to the Military Industrial Complex-----The Medical Industrial Complex.

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The most important issue...can he beat Obama

Dr. Ron Paul should point out to the voters that he has the best chance to beat Obama in the general election.

That is the key issue for most republicans - the question: who has the best chance to beat Obama.

There is a poll out there that shows Ron Paul beating Obama by a huge margin among independents.
Independents are a huge voting block.

There are other polls showing Ron Paul doing very well vs. Obama showing Ron Paul being just behind Romney as the republican with the best chance in winning the general election.
Newt and Mitt can't beat Obama - Dr. Ron Paul can!!

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Make a short video asking our support Dec. 16th and define what the principles of the Tea Party were founded on.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

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thank you, Jefferson for all your hard work in having taken on this most important of tasks! You are doing a fantastic job.
The major hurdle we are up against: As you all are well aware we have to continue to make some breakthroughs in educating others on Ron Paul's foreign policy. This is rough, but please read the poster's sincere concerns: If you or anyone would like to make comments on this thread, it is a real opportunity to make some inroads:

An Open Letter to Kathleen Gee and Ron Paul’s Supporters: How Does Dr. Paul’s Table Float Without Any Legs?

Dear Kathleen,

Yesterday, you wrote an open letter to me on this site where you attempted to address the horror I intrinsically feel nearly every time Dr. Ron Paul opines on American foreign policy. You are a very good friend of mine who really came through for both me personally and for HillBuzz.org as an online political magazine when my health collapsed and I was not able to maintain this site further on my own. I’ve very grateful for that, and for your passion in supporting your chosen candidate, Dr. Paul, because passionate support of a candidate is always a good thing (even if I don’t also see the great potential in that person). As we’ve talked about many times before, you’ll never see Hillary Clinton the way that I do, or understand just how different her presidency would have been from Obama’s; that’s similar to how I will never understand, exactly, where you come from regarding Ron Paul.

I really want to understand the support you, and millions of other supporters out there, have for Dr. Paul but I need for you to understand that there must be something seriously wrong with the way Dr. Paul chooses to present his message because a candidate who excites you so much should not horrify many of us in conservative ranks to the same degree.

Read more http://hillbuzz.org/an-open-letter-to-kathleen-gee-and-ron-p...

Non-aggression Principle

Ron Paul received applause at the Iowa debate when he answered with the non-aggression principle.
"Government is force and when Government starts to mold personal behavior and economic behavior by force, then they have overstepped the bounds of the Constitution."

Ron Paul could use a variation of the non-aggression principle to debate almost all the issues!

Ask Newt why he said he got $300k

from Freddie Mac a couple of debates ago when he really got over a million. I (personally) would mention that my assumption is that he was telling people what they want to hear.

On PATRIOT Act: The *latest* definition of "Terrorist"

including storing more than 7 days worth of food, owning guns, missing fingers, etc.

Congressional staffers behind SOPA get shiny new jobs ..

Congressional staffers behind SOPA get shiny new jobs as entertainment industry lobbyists
By Cory Doctorow at 5:55 am Sunday, Dec 11

Via Boing Boing

I think this will highlight the issue of SOPA and the bring to attention Newts Nature(of selling out and calling it "private sector work" aka Freddie Mack/Trap/Healthcare)

Allison Halataei (former deputy chief of staff for House Judiciary Chairman Lamar Smith (R-Texas)) and Lauren Pastarnack (former senior aide on the Senate Judiciary Committee) have cool new jobs. Having written the Internet-destroying Stop Online Piracy Act for their bosses while drawing a salary at public expense, they've now accepted massive raises to go work for the entertainment companies who stand to benefit from the law they wrote. Their new job? Helping to run the campaign to push their law through.

New Ad for Christmas & New Year

Do You think they might be able to come up with a new Ad that would be aired the week of Christmas & New Year... Maybe the ad could be something about him and his wife Carol along with his kids? I believe in my heart that the youth of this generation not only like what the hear about Liberty & Freedom, but also look up to them like their Grand Father/Mother.

Maybe an ad with Veterans and why they support Ron Paul during the Christmas season could be done as well!

Take care and thanks for passing on all these suggestions to the top brass! Tell Ron to give them Heck this coming debate!

Key words - integrity, honesty, consistent, constitution

With the anti Newt ads catching on, NOW is the time to emphasize the contrast between Newt and Dr Paul. I know Dr Paul is often too humble, but he MUST advertise that he has never been corrupted by the political system. People are so sick of the corruption in Washington, that people are hungry for a leader with honesty and unparalleled integrity. One of the most powerful statements that got me 4 years ago was that lobbyists don't bother going to his office. At the time, I didn't know such a congressman existed. I find that MOST people don't know this about him.

Lobbyists Don't Bother Going to Ron Paul's Office - Wow, I Never

heard that before but I think it would be just one more important piece of information that Ron Paul should tell us in the debates, interviews, etc. Thank for sharing this with us.


Law and Order

Conservative Republicans really like Law and Order and so they were easily persuaded to become neocons. I think Ron Paul's ideals scare them as they think there would be no law and order or organization to life.

How can Ron Paul demonstrate that that is not true - that there would the right laws, the necessary laws and not frivolous, unfair, excessive laws, if his ideas were put in place? And how would social and economic order be maintained, without the Fed Reserve or legislating morality?

Sweet Liberty

Bill of Rights day

December 15 is widely recognized as Bill of Rights day, reminding us that the Constitution places limits on government for a high purpose, the protection of our inalienable rights.

Defense Authorization Act

Paul needs to talk about Habeous Corpus being repealed.

"Leo Strauss, Scoop Jackson & Irving Kristol can rot in hell"

Yes he needs to talk about these people are doing in the

congress. Tell the audience about this bill and how their rights & liberties have slowing been taken away. Tell them about the housing crisis and what is in store for them when the dollar will collapse because of the fed. People want to know how you will turn around this economy and help to create new jobs. This whole election is about the economy and nothing else.

**If you get the shaft in this debate and they don't give you time.. I would say folks if you want to continue down the path of destruction & loss of liberty then vote for my fellow candidates or Obama as it wont matter, but if you want to follow the path of Liberty then meet me outside in the lobby as you walk off the stage!

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Here is a post

from NowOrNever that should be considered.

What I saw on that stage last night


That is true.
They seem to be like "Yeah Ron...Thanks for the memories, and the ideas....but...NO SOUP FOR YOU!!"

I will seriously consider including that in the letter. (not my words above)

Be Well Prepared to Answer For Latest Ad About Newt

You can predict that the first question they'll ask will be about the ad attack on Newt's record and serial hypocracy, part 2. I can't say what Ron Paul should say but I just want him to be prepared to take that question on strongly and convincingly. He needs to be able to repeat powerfully why he objects to Newt as president of the United States, why he would be a disaster to our country. What Dr. Paul really believes in his heart is true - he would be a disaster! Why? He's a statist, big government, authoritarian, "I know best - listen to me and I'll tell you what to do 'cause I'm smarter" junk! He has personally experience with Newt - use it!

Ron Paul believes in the people and letting us decide what are the best ways for us to serve one another - we don't need to be told. We may make mistakes but that's ok - far, far better than Big Daddy-O who will become very tiresome very quickly.

Sweet Liberty

I only have two

One: what is a conservative? Is it someone who believes in the Constitution or not?

The media emphasizes he is Libertarian, so what is the difference?

The second, which I like better than front on attacks is the "revolving door" or the merry-go-round.

Save maybe Bachmann and Paul, the rest are still in the same spin cycle, be it repub or dem.

Personally, I think Paul has more supporters with both ranks, basically because of Pelosi and Newt blackmailing each other. I think a lot will want the freedom to set things straight if they aren't threatened by these two.


It's time to start throwing

It's time to start throwing some punches! Go after inconsistencies with the other candidates, go after the establishment. Show your confidence and tell them you will be POTUS! People cheer and get behind that kind of stuff.

Can you please tell me..

What POTUS is? I keep seeing it but I can't figure out what it stands for. Thanks

Sweet Liberty


"President of the U.S." Some where there is a thread with all the acronyms that are used here.I don't have it book marked but maybe someone else does.I will ask around for you. Actually if you say POTUS out loud it sounds kind of rude,LOL!

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Predicting Housing Bubble & Financial Crisis

I understand Paul is a modest man. And I applaud him for that. But there does come a time when taking credit for a good deed is the prudent and right thing to do. I believe Paul must say;


I would like him to bring up the "American Interest" we are

supposedly protecting abroad. Versus actually securing our own border. There is no person, no group, no nation that could come and hurt us if we protected our own borders. This is not isolationism it is common sense. We have about 1.5 million active duty military, and about 1.5 million in reserves, if they were utilized on our own border and in our own waters, instead of protecting "American interest" abroad, no one could touch us. And, just what are those "American interest"? The interest of having no manufacturing base here, and depending on foreign countries for our raw materials, and finished goods, the interest of not using our own resources and instead depending on countries that hate us for our oil? All the while giving these same people that hate us the funds in foreign aid and oil revenue to kill us with? The interest of having no manufacturing jobs here? The interest of shipping all the tech jobs over seas, what are we protecting? The "American interest" to destroy ourselves and leave our own border wide open? We constantly are pouring our wealth into the very hands of the people that hate us, for what? Bring our troops to our border, our waters, bring our manufacturing and the subsequent jobs home, use our own resources and stop paying the dictators in the middle east for what we have here. Bring home the jobs that drilling here would entail. Bring home the tech support, bring home the raw material mining. That is a stimulus right there. Stop funding the rest of the worlds growth and slitting our own throats. Be the America of the Industrial revolution again, that was the envy of the whole world, the country that supplied the world not with money in exchange for things, but the country that sells the rest of the world the things and takes their money. That is not isolationism it is the America of our grandparents and great grandparents, the one that wasn't broke, and going the way of the Roman Empire and the British Empire.

*May the only ones to touch your junk, be the ones you want to touch your junk.*