In less than 2 days the truth shall be known to ALL!!!

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And this entire country will find out as well. We really should do something about it. These polling companies should lose their shorts over this and so should the media for not investigating how the polls were being conducted with all the evidence around that something was wrong. They even talked about it but none of them did their due diligence and provided the investigative journalism that should be part of their charters. They should be called on this and law suits filed against them! I may be expecting too much but I believe a public outcry should ensue!

Wait 2 days and then tell me about how angry you are and what should we do about it!

JB

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It's called DEMOGRAPHICS


Seriously, it boggles the mind that the polls could be so opposite of:

The Money Raised
Boots on the ground
You tube videos
Candidate Songs
Meet Up Groups
Straw Polls
Blog Presence
Search Presence

and on and on and on. None of it makes sense.

It's called DEMOGRAPHICS... and some would say "Reality."

The polls mainly poll OLD voters.

All of the other measures you are citing are mainly YOUNG people, who were mostly NON-voters during prior elections.

Young people have to actually GET OUT AND VOTE on their own initiative... They have to find out their polling place, times and hours, pre-register or (if lucky enough to live in a same-day registration state) at least have sufficient ID along with them and ready when/if they DO get to the polls.

No one is going to stop by the homes of YOUNG people and tell them where their polling place or caucus is located. (OLD people normally already KNOW from previous years, and they are often told in person because they are on a database listing from previous elections.)

No one is going to call YOUNG people on their cell-phone and REMIND them to vote. (Campaigns often call up OLD voters because they are on the databases from previous elections).

No one is going to offer RIDES to young people and get them to the polls or caucuses. (Campaigns do this in droves for OLD voters because ...again, they are on the databases from previous elections.)


And even IF a young person IS somehow on one of those lists ...face it most likely their address and/or phone number -- not to mention their polling place or caucus location -- have CHANGED since two or four years ago.

Also, OLD people do not tend to be as likely to go out and get plastered and suffer from a hangover, or get all depressed about their boyfriend/girlfriend dumping them, or have cars that break-down, or rent that is overdue, or get caught up in SecondLife, or holed up in WoW, or otherwise somehow just "forget" because they are so busy...

Long and the short of it is that most OLD people vote out of habit; and MOST young people end up NOT voting.

ALL of those young Ron Paul Supporters -- in other words, most of the people on YouTube, MySpace, FaceBook, Meetup, etc -- they ALL have to actually GET OFF THIER BUTTS, GET OUT AND *ACTUALLY* VOTE!

So make sure you NAG the heck out of EVERY young Ron Paul supporter you know when your State's primary day comes around... because no one else will even know they exist.

You hope!

I hope it goes that smoothly.

I think the RP support groups in IA have things well covered

And we all can participate from home anywhere. If there's fraud it won't be on any scale that will ruin RP's chances. I believe he will surprise a lot of people. I'm hoping for #1 or #2.

JB

"You take the blue pill and the story ends. You wake in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill and you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes. -- all I am offering is the truth, nothing more."

jbrandao

How much investigating have YOU done?

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"You take the blue pill and the story ends. You wake in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill and you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes. -- all I am offering is the truth, nothing more."

URGENT: Please read this. Just got it from my meetup group

COPIED FROM {The Greensboro Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group}

The IOWA CAUCUS, because it is the first official record of the Peoples' Choice for President, is extremely important. People love to be on the winning team. The winner of the Iowa Caucus gains a tremendous psychological advantage over the other candidates. That's why so much time, energy, and money is spent in the first few primary states. In North Carolina, because of our late primary, we feel somewhat helpless and neglected. We are, but.....

The battle to take back America must be fought on many fronts. There is an easily accessible way for you to engage in the battle, even in Iowa and New Hampshire. You can help to ensure a true and accurate count of the Peoples' Vote - right from your own home. All it requires is a phone and a computer.

Here's how it works. Poll watchers in each individual Iowa precinct will be there to watch the vote and record the results. These results will then be transmitted to you by phone directly from the precinct. You will then upload the results to an Internet website. This way, we will be able to check whether the results reported by the Iowa Republican Party and the media are an accurate record of the actual votes in the precincts. Simple enough.

Want to help with the count? Simply signup at the following website:
www.libertybroadcastnetwork.org

This is an automated signup. It's relatively easy to work through. However, several things are confusing.

One, when it asks what county and precinct you want to report, just choose any county. The Organizers will inform you later of the county they want you report, and,

Two, you will be asked to "Agree" to a Statement which says that you are a resident of Iowa. Don't worry, just "Agree". Your State of residence and address will be corrected on the following page. You will need to print out the corrected page and sign it. Really very easy.

If you aren't aware of the problems with our government and corporate controlled Election system, and the Peoples' efforts to regain control, check out the following website which has links to numerous sites dealing with the problem.

http://www.ncel.w4sp.com/

"You take the blue pill and the story ends. You wake in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill and you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes. -- all I am offering is the truth, nothing more."

80% of IOWA Republicans still support BUSH??????????

A post on this thread mentioned that. If this is true, be careful with expectations for Ron Paul. I'm far more confident about NH than I am about IOWA. I believe Paul is doing better than any poll suggests due to landline calling and not counting new registered Republicans but if 80% of IOWA Republicans still support Bush, Paul won't be a major hit UNLESS the Paul supporters are THAT mis polled.

I believe NH is the real test for Paul.

64%

12/16/07 - 64% of Iowan Republicans approve of Bush.
- 34% disapprove
http://www.surveyusa.com/Client/PollTrack.aspx?g=ae5a46f4-40...

We should pray

if you are religious pray for Ron Paul's victory. More than one person praying for something is very powerful. Ask God for help!

Watch the vote, do a good

Watch the vote, do a good job of getting an honest count, and we will crush them. It will make all the hard work worthwhile.

The outcome

Although Huckster is doing better in polls, Romney really has a big hardcore machine on the ground, so I expect him to beat Huck. The RP machine is huge as well, perhaps bigger, just more decentralized. So, it's hard to predict the outcome, but I will guess either

Paul
Romney
Huck

or

Romney
Paul
Huck

I can easily accept either of those.

Run, Ron, Run!

Run, Ron, Run!

I tend to agree with you and hope for the first!!!

Will anyone going to get any sleep in the next 2 days???

"You take the blue pill and the story ends. You wake in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill and you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes. -- all I am offering is the truth, nothing more."

Investigative journalism! You must be joking.

The journalist investigating the polls is like the fox guarding the chicken house. The politicians in power, the journalist and pollsters are all part of the system of special interests controlling which rulers are appointed.

"The deepest sin against the human mind is to believe things without evidence." Thomas H. Huxley

That's why these brainwashers need to lose their shorts!

Today this is what we have:

Media control over the thoughts of the public
Bank control over our economy
Congress controlled by the above
A monkey for president

What else is needed here to become a banana republic?!!!

In less than 2 days their walls will begin to crumble!

JB

"You take the blue pill and the story ends. You wake in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill and you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes. -- all I am offering is the truth, nothing more."

I'm crossing my fingers.... and hoping I am right about this!!!

Ron Paul #1 or #2 in IA!!!

It will cause an earthquake in the media!!! We should all be outraged with all the crap we've been putting up with from the Decrepit Media and send a zillion emails to all of the rmurdoch@newscorp.com of this country!!!

JB

"You take the blue pill and the story ends. You wake in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill and you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes. -- all I am offering is the truth, nothing more."

The real question...

is whether the vote counts are rigged to match the rigged polls. I hope not.

The polls are wrong

JB, I'm a nervous supporter and hope you know what you're talking about.

We will know in 2 days

For now it's just a bit more than a hunch that we will win big!
I checked a couple of Ron Paul meet-ups in IA and they seem excited and very motivated like the rest of us.

JB

"You take the blue pill and the story ends. You wake in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill and you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes. -- all I am offering is the truth, nothing more."

Polls are unreliable - we

Polls are unreliable - we all agree on that. Money collected is very reliable as we can count it like VOTES.

The criteria that FOX news should use to establish credentials for the debate is the following:

Only candidates who received donations of at least ten million dollars from at least 100,000 different people in the fourth quarter.

Lets see who would that include/exclude?

Run, Ron Paul, Run!

ONLY if the votes are counted PUBLICLY upon the polls closing

will we be 100% satisfied and assured of a LEGAL process.

Support those who demand a "IN VIEW and PUBLIC" vote count.

Discover Costa Rica

If we win by 30% over the next at say 20%, I'm satisfied!!!

And will sleep like an angel with a big smile on my face!!!

JB

"You take the blue pill and the story ends. You wake in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill and you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes. -- all I am offering is the truth, nothing more."

although

the republican causus counts all votes, i saw on cnn just a few minutes ago that they keep the popular vote tally secret and only announce the amount of the delegates each candidate recieves . i'm really confused now. whats the point of the straw poll vote if the delegates are the only thing announced? anyone know what this crap is all about?

My fear is that the votes

My fear is that the votes are rigged, they'll declare him lower than he is and that's the end of the debate appearances. I'm getting really nervous over this whole vote stealing issue.

I just find the story about the media decided who'll be in future debates to be dependent on Iowa, kinda sketchy. I have a couple little red flags waving around in my head.

Tell me about it! I haven't had a good night sleep in days...

Until IA is over and done and won, I don't think I can relax!

JB

"You take the blue pill and the story ends. You wake in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill and you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes. -- all I am offering is the truth, nothing more."

Realistic Expectations

I just hope some of you aren't setting unrealistic expectations, only to deflate after the Iowa caucuses. Iowa, where 80% of Republicans still thing George W. Bush is doing a good job, isn't likely to be Ron Paul's strongest state- especially given the goofy caucus system they use. There isn't a chance in Hell that Ron Paul will "win big" in Iowa.

While I expect him to do better than the polls suggest, I think expecting a win is a bit unrealistic- if he could come in 3rd, it would be a great performance, given that he's expected to finish 5th or 6th.

New Hampshire is a much better state, but its going to be a long hard fight even there- Dr. Paul isn't going to waltz to "30+%" even there.

www.ronpaul2008.com

Fox can kiss my ass and so

Fox can kiss my ass and so can Frank Lutz

F&@K YOU FRANK

He's on my wish list of people I'd love to see waterboarded!

Along with Dubbya, Dick'o, Rummie,Krystol,Wolfie,... long list...

;)

"You take the blue pill and the story ends. You wake in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill and you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes. -- all I am offering is the truth, nothing more."

Lose, not loose

All due respect, but for future reference...you want to use "lose" (like "lose a bet"), not "loose" (like "loose clothing").

corrected.

JB

"You take the blue pill and the story ends. You wake in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill and you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes. -- all I am offering is the truth, nothing more."

What If

What if the polls are correct? HA! HA! Just messing with ya.

Seriously, it boggles the mind that the polls could be so opposite of:

The Money Raised
Boots on the ground
You tube videos
Candidate Songs
Meet Up Groups
Straw Polls
Blog Presence
Search Presence

and on and on and on. None of it makes sense.