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The House Votes Today 12-14-11 on Indefinite Detention of Americans

Quote of the Day: "This is an asymmetric war. In asymmetric wars, you want to pit your greatest strength against the enemy's greatest weakness. Our great strengths are our ideals and our system of justice." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/12/indefinite-military...

Two weeks ago we warned you about indefinite detention provisions of the Senate's version National Defense Authorization Act.

We explain the bill...

* http://www.downsizedc.org/blog/urgent-indefinite-jailing-of-...
* http://www.downsizedc.org/blog/does-the-bill-really-do-what-...

We have BAD NEWS to report. In the final version of the bill coming from the House-Senate Conference Committee, essentially NOTHING HAS CHANGED except section numbers and a couple of words.

The House is voting on the bill TOMORROW, December 14.

Please CALL your Representative telling them to oppose the National Defense Authorization Act, especially sections 1021 and 1022. https://secure.downsizedc.org/etp/not-afraid/
Please write a letter as well. We have updated the hard-wired message to say:

I strongly oppose Sections 1021 and 1022 in the National Defense Authorization Act (HR 1540).

You may borrow from or copy the following personal comments...

These provisions REQUIRE military detention for aliens suspected of terrorism, and ALLOWS the President to subject American citizens to the same treatment. This includes the power to detain people INDEFINITELY, without charges.

This undermines the Posse Comitatus Act, which outlawed the deployment of the military for domestic policing. This actually makes us LESS secure because it diverts the military's mission from fighting wars to investigating and prosecuting suspected terrorists.

Even worse, this is a declaration of war on the American way of life.

* It violates the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment
* And abandons protections against arbitrary executive power that are as old as the Magna Carta

How can ANY of my rights and freedoms be secure if the President can, by whim, call me a "terrorist" and order troops to kidnap me?

If it is true that terrorists hate us for our freedom, then Sections 1021 and 1022 will make it official: The terrorists win.

Be a patriot. Be an American. Stand up for the Constitution. Strip Sections 1021 and 1022 from HR 1540 or oppose the bill altogether.

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Spread this message via email, blog, or social network -- whatever facilities you have. Tell your friends to join you in acting NOW. Rep. Justin Amash is organizing opposition, and he's making progress. But time is short. Your help is needed.

Thank you!

Jim Babka
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Interesting commentary on the NDAA

From a fellow voluntaryist, Adam Kokesh. He makes a good point that this bill simply reenforces and codifies what we have known all along: the State does not give a damn about that silly piece of paper "The Constitution" and will run roughshod all over it without a care in the world. They have already killed American citizens without any due process. They already have the PATRIOT ACT. This is just one of the final steps, the next one being takeover of the internet. What do you think of Adam's synopsis? Go let him know if you agree or disagree with his conclusions.

http://youtu.be/Qlepy8WjGIk

PS There's a lot of support for Dr. Paul throughout the video, gotta love this guy!

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We Have Crossed the Rubicon

Good article: We Have Crossed the Rubicon

America is now on the cusp of becoming a state that does exactly such things … like the things done by 20th century horror shows such as NS Germany or Stalin’s USSR. Literally. Not “this is where it might lead” or “the tendency is similar.” Exactly, literally, the same thing. The only difference is that it awaits being done on a mass scale. But the power to do it openly – brazenly – has been asserted.

And is about to be sanctified by law.

The National Defense Authorization Act will make it official. It will confer upon the executive branch and the military (increasingly, the same things) the permanent authority to snatch and grab any person, U.S. citizens included, whom it decrees to be a “terrorist” – as defined or not by the executive or the military - and imprison them, indefinitely, without formal charge, presentation of evidence or judicial proceeding of any kind. These “detainees” will have neither civilian rights in the civil court system, nor – crucially – even the minimal rights to due process and decent treatment conferred upon prisoners of war. …

The Fuhrer (oops, President Obama) is about to sign this latter-day Enabling act and when he does, it will mark the moment that America’s coffin is nailed shut.

Let it not be said that we did nothing.-Ron Paul
Stand up for what you believe in, even if you stand alone.-Sophia Magdalena Scholl

Republicae's picture

It is time to once again read

It is time to once again read the headlines:

U N I O N . . . D I S S O L V E D

http://militantjeffersonian.com

"We are not a nation, but a union, a confederacy of equal and sovereign States" John C. Calhoun

BUMP

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donvino

Think of all the new career

Think of all the new career options it will create: Internment Resettlement Specialist

Welcome

Let it not be said that we did nothing.-Ron Paul
Stand up for what you believe in, even if you stand alone.-Sophia Magdalena Scholl

A list of traitors

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll932.xml

They said it wouldn't happen until tomorrow but apparently they snuck it in just before 7pm. Strange because I had cspan on. I'm not sure how I missed it.

One thing which is somewhat upsetting... I know Ron Paul is campaigning but i think he should have found a way to vote on this. He was a NV.

HopeRenewed - 6/13/2011
Neither should we sacrifice Liberty for Safety nor Integrity for Concessions. True Liberty can not exist in the absence of integrity. Liberty gained through compromise is but a temporary illusion.

Republicae's picture

They think us swine that they

They think us swine that they feed us swill...what has happened to WE THE PEOPLE?

http://militantjeffersonian.com

"We are not a nation, but a union, a confederacy of equal and sovereign States" John C. Calhoun

Am I Dreaming

this really is bizarro world. Feel like I've been dropped on a parallel earth where everything is a**backword.

Now Rachel Maddow?!? is bashing Obama and shows clips of him essentially admitting to the nullification of the Constitution and invoking Marshall law. WTF is going on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mPZlysCAm0

HopeRenewed - 6/13/2011
Neither should we sacrifice Liberty for Safety nor Integrity for Concessions. True Liberty can not exist in the absence of integrity. Liberty gained through compromise is but a temporary illusion.

Old video

so it's not "now" Rachel Maddow ;)

oops

January 2011. I think I need to take a break from NDAA activism. Well at least for a couple hours.

HopeRenewed - 6/13/2011
Neither should we sacrifice Liberty for Safety nor Integrity for Concessions. True Liberty can not exist in the absence of integrity. Liberty gained through compromise is but a temporary illusion.

They Are Delaying the Vote

until tomorrow or so they say.

Keep calling keep up the pressure!

HopeRenewed - 6/13/2011
Neither should we sacrifice Liberty for Safety nor Integrity for Concessions. True Liberty can not exist in the absence of integrity. Liberty gained through compromise is but a temporary illusion.

This Matters, but it also don't matter when the government get's

Blowback from us. We won't take that non-sense of no trial/due process before being held in detention. This is gonna cause serious problems for the politicians in Washington in the future!! I know they are going to be the ones in detention!

Yes Lindsey Graham

Why don't we cut your pay AND your jobs too, while we're at it.

You warmongering POS.

Patriot Cell #345,168
I don't respond to emails or pm's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=qo8CmO...
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

The Road to Serfdom

Gun Owners, Conservatives, OWS, Pro-Life/Pro-Choice Advocates, peace protestors, any Protestors, Preppers, environmentalists, Organic farmers, natural food/medicine practitioners, vaccine opponents, activist journalists and bloggers, WAKE UP!!!! You can be detained (whether by military or civil law enforcement) without any evidence of crime, or allegation of crime, or any charges.

The powers under the NDAA are terrifying and its standards are arbitrary. There aren’t any. It is a marriage of plenary powers with arbitrary standards. A more abhorrent, treacherous and duplicitous law could not have been conceived even if it were the product of the coordinated cooperation of the most heinous minds known.

The way to judge a law is not by its potential benefits if justly and properly interpreted and applied, but by the potential harms should it be abused, and by what creative or distorted interpretations may be squeeze out of the text or invented from it.

Under the NDAA(National Destruction of America Act), a bureaucrat can choose to view any activity mentioned above and more as suspicious activities under this bill - You have more than one gun, more than a hundred rounds of ammo, opt out of radiation scans, waterproof your ammo, a home water filtration, grow your own food, produce or drink raw milk, have a home generator, collect rainwater, member of any protest group, ever been cited for protesting, ever attended a protest, load your own ammo, store more than a weeks worth of food or toilet paper or supplies or fuel, medicine, alternative treatments, …

A few current resources on NDAA:

Veterans Today: Orwellian Nightmare Law Empowers Cover-Ups http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/12/01/the-truth-about-the-...

Business Insider: The New National Defense Authorization Act Is Ridiculously Scary: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-12-02/politics/3046...

Bastiat Institute: http://www.bastiatinstitute.org/2011/12/05/join-the-fight-ag...

Heads Up, Preppers, Gun Owners, and “Extremists”: Is Military Detention in Your Future? : http://www.republicmagazine.com/news/heads-up-preppers-gun-o...

The Making of a Prison Society: http://www.lewrockwell.com/grigg/grigg-w237.html
“Whether or not the Senate approves the NDAA, the people in charge of Regime Security already consider this country to be one vast military prison, and are willing to act on that assumption whenever the opportunity presents itself.” - William Norman Grigg

Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms [of government] those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny. - Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Bill for the More General diffusion of Knowledge (1778).

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. – C.S. Lewis

There is no crueler tyranny than that which is perpetrated under the shield of law and in the name of justice. - Baron de Montesquie

If tyranny you want then bury and pray, for the speedy arrival of the “Brighter day.” But if liberty you love, and you yearn to be free, than live by this motto: “DON’T TREAD ON ME!”

Let it not be said that we did nothing.-Ron Paul
Stand up for what you believe in, even if you stand alone.-Sophia Magdalena Scholl

HERE IS THE CALL NUMBERS!!! PLEASE POST TO THE MAIN THREAD!

http://www.house.gov/representatives/

I dont care who you are, if your an AMERICAN AND READING THIS .. today you make some phone calls!! (they listen to phone calls more than emails/letters)

1-- CALL ALL YOUR STATE REPS.. GIVE THEM HELL!!
2-- CALL ALL YOUR NEIGHBORING STATES REPS.. GIVE THEM HELL AS WELL!!

3-- CALL/CONTACT ANY REP WHO MAY BE ON THE FENCE REGARDLESS OF WHAT STATE THEY ARE IN!

If this passes, we are and shall be in a state of CIVIL WAR, until the bill is either declared unconstitutional ,or is repealed! DO NOT IGNORE THIS!! THEY WILL COME FOR YOU , ME AND ANYONE WHO STANDS UP TO THE GOVERNMENT!! NOW IS THAT LINE IN THE SAND!

When does Paul

get to speak?

again live link: http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN/

latest bill

I THINK this is the latest bill. it's sections 1031/1032 that we're concerned over

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c112:6:./temp/~c112RfchQE:e578148:

This is what I FAXED---both faxing & calling is a must!

WITH THIS BILL~~~~OUR FREEDOM~~~~ IS GONE!

If you vote for this bill, XXXXXXX, we will campaign AGAINST YOU.

Any Congressman who votes for this bill & all the Senators who voted for this bill should be impeached, if there is a way to impeach, because people don't understand that THEY THEMSELVES could “potentially” be politically targeted for extermination & removal to a concentration (detention--a nice way of saying it) camp without any right to a trial. Gone! Poof! This is an American citizen’s right. What is the big hurry? If you charge a “terrorist”, you can send him to trial & convict him. This whole bill stinks to high heaven. What if the charges are false? What if someone has a neighbor who has a grudge against them?

This bill is the most outrageous example of
Representatives-Gone-Wild.

This is a very sad day in America, and our Founders must be so grievous over this as they watch this spectacle. And, you politicians wonder why your ratings are in the single digits!

Giving this kind of enormous power to the Executive Branch is egregious. Don't you remember Hitler? What if we had a President who ended up like Hitler? Think about what you are doing! There is NO REASON why the government or military can't put any "suspect" through a trial & convict them. NONE, no reason, nada!

GO Kucinich!

GO Kucinich!

He's awesome

I don't agree with some of his stances on welfare and so on but he rocks as a protector of the Constitution on Civil Liberties.

Patriot Cell #345,168
I don't respond to emails or pm's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=qo8CmO...
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Rep. Hastings (D, FL-23) is

Rep. Hastings (D, FL-23) is tearin it up on the floor right now. I like this guy... regarding civil liberties anyway.

"You must be frank with the world; frankness is the child of honesty and courage...Never do anything wrong to make a friend or keep one...Above all do not appear to others what you are not" - Robert E. Lee, CSA

KEEP calling your reps. Make

KEEP calling your reps. Make sure they know this is a make it or break it moment if they want to stay in office!

Live link I think. Well it said live link..

Mind amending your thread?

http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN/

Patriot Cell #345,168
I don't respond to emails or pm's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=qo8CmO...
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

thanks

LIVE NOW!

Ron is a lot smarter than I am...

I can see him addressing this issue soon and it will be with a national audience. Let's see any of the others spin this one!

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves." William Pitt in the House of Commons November 18, 1783
"I know major allies who fund them" Gen. Dempsey referring to ISIS

The poor girl answering the phone at my rep's office

sounded like she was having the worst day of her life. I told her how I felt about the whole idea of this bill and that we have already lost by me and her even having to have this conversation. That there is no one in this universe that has the Authority to take away a God given right. I told her it better not ever be used against my American brothers and sisters because an attack on one of our God given rights is an attack on all of our God given rights. The terrorist attacked buildings this is an attack on God. You tell me which is worse. The girl didn't know how to respond. I told her to keep her head up I'm making this call for you and yours also. She said thank you I will pass on how you feel.

Thank you!

For having the forethought to recognize and mention that your call was on behalf of her and her family as equally as it is to yours. All Americans.

Very good!

How nice of the Congress to help America identifying it's domestic enemies! This will make the coming trials' processing that much more efficient.

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