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The House Votes Today 12-14-11 on Indefinite Detention of Americans

Quote of the Day: "This is an asymmetric war. In asymmetric wars, you want to pit your greatest strength against the enemy's greatest weakness. Our great strengths are our ideals and our system of justice." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/12/indefinite-military...

Two weeks ago we warned you about indefinite detention provisions of the Senate's version National Defense Authorization Act.

We explain the bill...

* http://www.downsizedc.org/blog/urgent-indefinite-jailing-of-...
* http://www.downsizedc.org/blog/does-the-bill-really-do-what-...

We have BAD NEWS to report. In the final version of the bill coming from the House-Senate Conference Committee, essentially NOTHING HAS CHANGED except section numbers and a couple of words.

The House is voting on the bill TOMORROW, December 14.

Please CALL your Representative telling them to oppose the National Defense Authorization Act, especially sections 1021 and 1022. https://secure.downsizedc.org/etp/not-afraid/
Please write a letter as well. We have updated the hard-wired message to say:

I strongly oppose Sections 1021 and 1022 in the National Defense Authorization Act (HR 1540).

You may borrow from or copy the following personal comments...

These provisions REQUIRE military detention for aliens suspected of terrorism, and ALLOWS the President to subject American citizens to the same treatment. This includes the power to detain people INDEFINITELY, without charges.

This undermines the Posse Comitatus Act, which outlawed the deployment of the military for domestic policing. This actually makes us LESS secure because it diverts the military's mission from fighting wars to investigating and prosecuting suspected terrorists.

Even worse, this is a declaration of war on the American way of life.

* It violates the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment
* And abandons protections against arbitrary executive power that are as old as the Magna Carta

How can ANY of my rights and freedoms be secure if the President can, by whim, call me a "terrorist" and order troops to kidnap me?

If it is true that terrorists hate us for our freedom, then Sections 1021 and 1022 will make it official: The terrorists win.

Be a patriot. Be an American. Stand up for the Constitution. Strip Sections 1021 and 1022 from HR 1540 or oppose the bill altogether.

END LETTER
https://secure.downsizedc.org/etp/not-afraid/

Spread this message via email, blog, or social network -- whatever facilities you have. Tell your friends to join you in acting NOW. Rep. Justin Amash is organizing opposition, and he's making progress. But time is short. Your help is needed.

Thank you!

Jim Babka
President
DownsizeDC.org, Inc.

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Leutkemeyer voting YES on the bill

I just got off the phone with his aid after 30 minutes of discussion of the bill. They believe that the American people are misinterpreting section 1031 and 1032. Same story as my Senators gave me except the Senators were told to read a script about those sections being put in because of the Xmas shoe bomber and the fact that he was read his rights before the military got their hands on him.

I stated to him what HLS considered a suspected terrorist is an individual with a Ron Paul sticker on their car, someone who supports Campaign for Liberty, Someone who questions the Federal Reserve, animal activists, pro life activists, missing fingers, 7 days or more of food stored, guns and ammo etc etc. He didn't say a word.

I told the aid that If those sections were not important than just strike them from the bill, no harm no foul and he believed that Rep Leutkemeyer believed that they should stay in there. I told the Aid that if Rep Letkemeyer voted YES on this bill as it exists with amendment 1031 and 1032 (1021, 1022 H) then Leutkemeyer might as well put the American Flag and US Constitution on the House floor and put a match to it.

I told him that we are not afraid of terrorists. I told him that I am seriously afraid of my government.

He wanted my address and I asked if it may be so that I can be put on the list? lol

I honestly feel that this will fly through the House with no problem....the entire system is corrupt and for some reason in a hurry to cover all bases to remove any freedoms or liberties we have. The big question for me is why? I'm no longer going to try to reason with my Congressional Representatives because they don't care and are going to do whatever they want and I'm tired of beating my head against the wall. I will spend my energy promoting Ron Paul, and for Congress, only on campaigning for like minded small government candidates. I am extremely frustrated with the obvious corruption in our government but will still continue to believe that good will prevail over evil.

They must protect us from Liberty

I had a similar conversation with Georgia Governor Deal's staff about his insistence that HR 476 be passed to prevent Obamacare from being implemented in Georgia. Only problem, HR 476 implemented Obamacare and placed the Feds over the Funding of the what was to be Georgia Health Exchange Authority.

We fought this intrusion successfully, and look forward to fighting it again come the 2012 Legislation Session which will undoubtedly see it in some new form. http://wp.me/pB8xR-a8

Will this be televised?

If so, on CSPAN perhaps and what time?

Patriot Cell #345,168
I don't respond to emails or pm's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=qo8CmO...
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Thanks

for the post. In my opinion calling or writing them is pointless they do not listen anymore and don't care what you have to say, we already saw the ones who do care it was 7 senators who voted no on the s.1867, I am sure this is going to pass with flying colors.

This is not a negative post it should just tell you that we have a long road ahead and need to replace all of these people with new ones we vote in.

Not true - call them and email them

I've seen bills like this turned on their head, when enough people become outspoken.

From Congressman Justin Amash
http://www.facebook.com/repjustinamash

For those of you who don't believe that your calls and e-mails to Members of Congress work, let me assure you that they do. Members "freak out" when they receive more than half a dozen calls on any issue.

Thanks to our efforts, several Members of Congress are reconsidering their support for the NDAA provisions that permit the indefinite detention of Americans without charge or trial. They have approached me on the House floor to let me know. Please keep up your efforts: http://house.gov/representatives/

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"Take hold of the future or the future will take hold of you." -- Patrick Dixon

I was

not trying to discourage people from trying, By all means lets call and write them.

WITH THIS BILL~~~~OUR FREEDOM~~~~ IS GONE!

This bill should be in the Presidential debate, because Americans have the RIGHT TO KNOW about it. You can't blindly say, "oh, it's ok, they won't use it against us." How naive.

Any Congressman who votes for this bill & all the Senators who voted for this bill should be impeached, if there is a way to impeach, because people don't understand that THEY THEMSELVES could be politically targeted for extermination & removal to a concentration (detention--a nice way of saying it) camp without any right to a trial. Gone! Poof! Even if any real or contrived accusations are not true. How can these traitors do this to us??

This bill is the most outrageous example of Representatives-Gone-Wild.

This is a very sad day in America, and our Founders have to be so grievous over this as they watch this spectacle.\

Perhaps we should do a TV AD on this to Iowa voters.

Giving this kind of enormous power to the Executive Branch is egregious. Don't they remember Hitler? What if we had a President who ended up like Hitler? They wouldn't be able to change the law, then...oh, woe is me.

My Letter As Well

Dear Sir,

Today I am writing to you to voice my deep concern with a bill which today will be reaching the House.

That bill is this year's National Defense Authorization Act, especially sections 1021 and 1022. As I'm sure that you are aware, portions of this bill would allow for the indefinite detention of American citizens without trial on suspected grounds of terrorist support.

While I strongly believe in having an effective national defense, I do not believe that we must give up our civil liberties to do so. I would strongly urge you, therefore to vote NO on this bill until the offending portions have been either removed, or significantly altered to assure the rights of American citizens in this fine state and elsewhere throughout this nation.

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, 1775.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Your Humble Servant,

William R. Pedro
National Park Ranger
Colonial NHP

"Liberty's too precious a thing to be buried in books...Men should hold it up in front of them every single day of their lives and say: 'I'm free to think and to speak. My ancestors couldn't. I can. And my children will."

-Jimmy Stewart

Thanks

for your efforts and sharing. Well done.

HopeRenewed - 6/13/2011
Neither should we sacrifice Liberty for Safety nor Integrity for Concessions. True Liberty can not exist in the absence of integrity. Liberty gained through compromise is but a temporary illusion.

BUMP

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donvino

Calling them now

Calling them now

My Letter to Rep Price GA-6

Dear Representative Price,

I bought your book "Saving the American Miracle" from your hands at a Tea Party event in Woodstock GA in the Spring of 2010. In your book you discuss the encroachment of the Federal Government upon the citizens of the United States. The National Defense Authorization Act, particularly Sections 1021 and 1022 serve to diminish our Natural Born Rights, rights given to us by God, more than any other infringement ever dreamed up by Representatives of the United States People.

A vote for this destroyer of Liberty can only mean that your attempt to "Save the American Miracle" is nothing more than 1984 New Speak.

The American Miracle is Liberty. The National Defense Authorization Act is an act of War on the American Miracle. If a Government of the People can Judge and Penalize without Trial, then the People will inevitably Judge and Penalize those who Govern without Trial. Anarchy, Death, and Destruction of what God holds most dear will become the bastard child of this exercise of 'safety' so often cited by tyrants throughout history. Those who trade liberty for safety will have nor deserve either.

Liberty is Safety. The American Miracle is both at once.

I will not 'tell' you, my Representative, how to vote on this abomination of tyranny. I will simply decide whether to oppose your reelection with the fervor of man defending his property, family, life and rights before Our Creator, or to continue supporting a man that looked myself and 150 of my neighbors in the eyes and declared your oath to protect our God Given Rights.

May your Oath before those you Represent and to the Constitution be long remembered.

Sincerely,

Steve A Morris
American Citizen

Outstanding

The people on this forum never cease to impress. Thank you for sharing people like you give me hope and confirm that we still may yet turn this country around.

HopeRenewed - 6/13/2011
Neither should we sacrifice Liberty for Safety nor Integrity for Concessions. True Liberty can not exist in the absence of integrity. Liberty gained through compromise is but a temporary illusion.

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Judicial review?

Even if the president signs this junk, shouldn't the Supreme Court strike it down as a violation of the Constitution under the judicial review process? How proactive are they in this process?

If memory serves me correctly

If memory serves me correctly they put a clause in to exempt it from judicial review.

How many middle fingers do

How many middle fingers do they have?

...

We will see when they vote.

Patriot Cell #345,168
I don't respond to emails or pm's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=qo8CmO...
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Here's What I Sent to My Congressmen:

I am writing to ask you to oppose the provisions of the National Defense Authorization Act that would allow the Executive Branch of government to unilaterally detain American citizens indefinitely without trial. This bill gives a single branch of government far more power than it was ever meant to have and leaves no significant checks on Executive power. If we let the Executive branch start wars as they please without so much as a Congressional vote, then let them use the fact that we're at war to violate the Constitution and every other limit on their power, then the stage is set for a military dictatorship and tyranny. Combating terrorism is, of course, important but it's legislation like this that destroys our freedom and way of life far more than simple acts of violence ever could. If this bill passes and Americans are stripped of fundamental Constitutional rights like due process, then the terrorists win. With our leaders' acquiescence/cooperation they will have taken a bastion of freedom and prosperity and reduced it to fear-driven police state. For ten years now, rather than standing strong and inspiring Americans with courage our political leaders have chosen to lead through fear. Please don't choose fear and the illusion of security over freedom and the American way of life. Our troops abroad are dying for absolutely nothing if the battle to remain a free country is given up so easily here at home.

Excellent

Thank you for sharing that, very well said.

HopeRenewed - 6/13/2011
Neither should we sacrifice Liberty for Safety nor Integrity for Concessions. True Liberty can not exist in the absence of integrity. Liberty gained through compromise is but a temporary illusion.

This act is true terrorism.

The whole concept of this bill is so anti-American.

There should be an amendment which states anyone voting for this act is automatically prosecuted for treason.

Don't forget actions planned Thursday at congressional

district offices. This is way beyond making a few phone calls. They obviously don't care. Why should they? If we get to be too much of a pain the neck now they can just get rid of us.

Our only chance is to get media by sitting in their offices to break the media blackout. Not one in ten people even knows about this.

here:
http://www.dailypaul.com/192474/thursday-dec-15-occupy-us-se...

A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life.
-- Muhammad Ali

Thanks For Posting

I wrote all my state representatives, only Scott Brown replied. He's still voting yes. His response to me is here:

http://www.dailypaul.com/192716/senator-brown-replies-to-my-...

HopeRenewed - 6/13/2011
Neither should we sacrifice Liberty for Safety nor Integrity for Concessions. True Liberty can not exist in the absence of integrity. Liberty gained through compromise is but a temporary illusion.

I noticed in his reply, not a mention of what 1031 stated.

I believe.

Seems like he was intentionally leaving that out in hopes that it would not be spoken about.

Patriot Cell #345,168
I don't respond to emails or pm's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=qo8CmO...
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Everyone's forgetting about the perpetual war provision

Campaign For Liberty sent an email yesterday urging people to tell congress that sections 1021 and 1022 (formerly sections 1031 and 1032 that allow indefinite detention of US citizens without trial till the end of war) of S 1867 must be removed or modified before passing the NDAA. THEY NEGLECTED TO ADD that the House passed a perpetual war provision last May that needs removing.

http://www.infowars.com/obamas-promise-to-veto-worldwide-war...

This is "storm the gates"

This is "storm the gates" time. I'm seriously concerned for this country.

WTF

They slipped the words "or belligerent" back in?

That was supposed to have been defeated #1274 and taken out.

Patriot Cell #345,168
I don't respond to emails or pm's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=qo8CmO...
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Is this right?

don't they mean 1031 and 1032?

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hr1540pp/pdf/BILLS-112...

(page 418)

I'll take my Liberty, it's not yours to give.

In the confrence commitee bill (final version) it was renumbered

to sections 1021 & 1022.

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"Take hold of the future or the future will take hold of you." -- Patrick Dixon

Thanks

Thanks

I'll take my Liberty, it's not yours to give.