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Ron Paul's Public Sector Donations: WOW!


How is this possible ^_^, so funny he get´s so much!

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Nearly any category of employment

will produce similar lopsided results. Romney has plenty of money, but it is all pulled out of a few narrow constituencies like banking.

Make the chart of donations from:

restaurant workers
truck drivers
brain surgeons

For almost any of these, Ron will have way more donations! Just because he has many times more individual people who contribute.

I'm not sure how to identify niches of contributors, but I'll bet you could do this with almost any of them.

I'm voting for Peace.

I guess to some extent it's

I guess to some extent it's "counter intuitive" as Megan Hughes says, or could it be that there are more principled people out there then the establishment would care to acknowledge.

"Give me Liberty or give me death." Patrick Henry


When confronted with the fact that Fed Workers
are contributing to the Ron Paul Campaign....

Mr Donald Kettl states:

..."I think federal employees, just like many, many Americans, are having a hard time coming to grips with the operating realities of what it's gonna take to get this budget situation under control".

(A) It's all very very confusing to me.
(B) What???!! ARE YOU GUYS CRAZY??
(C) How dare you people question authority?

Take your pick..
You may vote in reply below.

(Doesn't this guy speak just like a bureaucrat?)

Have some fun.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

I'm part of that number.

I'm a federal employee and so far I've given about $600 this year and plan to keep giving. By the end of the 2008 campaign I gave $1250.

The reason is years ago I decided to go Galt. I was a liberty loving person living in a socialist country. I decided to go someplace where I could sharpen my skills but where they couldn't be used to grow the looters power. So I got a government job. I'm not even a slacker. I work very hard and do a great job but due to the nature of government it is pretty much wasted. At least I am not producing wealth they can steal. I try to teach other people about liberty and spread the word and I have been somewhat successful. I will support Ron Paul. I would suggest all liberty minded people to try to get a government job. Stop producing real wealth for them to steal.


as a federal worker... you are "they."

You are the one stealing from us "the productive"

With all due respect, you are not going Galt.

You are mostly correct.

I am not the one doing the stealing but it is true I am living off of the loot. The only way to bring this monster down is to stop feeding it. That means you have to find a way to get by without producing anything of real wealth. Either join the monster or find somewhere to hide. This isn't the 1940's where you can hide in the Mountains of Colorado and not be bothered. It is the hard working people like you that are keeping it going. Stop.

This is not a "WOW!" story.

These are puny, statistically irrelevant numbers. Ron Paul has a total $95k donations from Federal workers? How significant is that? The average federal worker makes between $81K and $123K per year (according to FactCheck), and there are 2.65 million federal employees. If we were to assume that every one of those Federal workers donated to Ron Paul, the average donation would be about 3.6 cents. Wow.

I have personally spent over $4,000 on Dr. Paul's campaign -- and I make a LOT less than federal workers. If there are just 24 Federal Workers (out of 2.65 million) who like Dr. Paul as much as I do -- that's all that would be needed to contribute 95K. All 24 of them could fit on one bus, with lots of seats to spare. Given the size of the Federal government payroll, this is a trivial, statistically insignificant number.

Sorry to be a wet blanket, but we should NOT be counting chickens that are never going to hatch. Do not think of federal tax-feeders as our friends and allies. For the most part, their mindset is too predatory for them to contribute money to ANYBODY. Even Obama only got $200K from them. As evidenced by their political contributions, they do not give a damn about the "public good" that they claim to serve. Don't count on them to vote for anybody but the guy who promises to keep them on the payroll, receiving twice as much money as they could earn in the private sector. That's going to be Obama.

I think the real story here, that the reporters missed, is that out of 2.65 million federal employees, only about 0.001% (one-thousandth of one percent) have an authentic concern for the welfare of the country, as evidenced by their support for Ron Paul.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition by Larken Rose

Thanks for this

It's good to be encouraged but it is better to be realistic.

"He did not come into the world to condemn it, but to save it." - John 3:17

"Well, you know it's like I always say 'it ain't government work if you don't have to do it twice.'" - Jerry Gergich



I guess the freedom message even crosses over to...

government employees.

Very interesting.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

Government workers benefit from Dr. Paul's positions

I think most government workers who are GOOD at their jobs realize that they would do better if their job were privatized. I am a teacher, and I think it would be best if public education was abolished. First of all, it would foster a much better education environment, on the whole, for young people. Second, I have no fear that I could get hired in a privatized system, because I am good at what I do, and I would be in high demand.

Only government workers who perform POORLY have any reason to fear the abolishment of their particular department. Those who excel at their jobs realize that once the function of their departments was privatized, a new industry would arise, and good workers would be competing for jobs, and the best would be in high demand. Government agencies have some good workers in them, but they really stifle the workers' ability to succeed as much as they might.

And for those agencies that are essentially useless and would have no private sector parallel (like the IRS), they still have workers with plenty of useful skills, such as accounting, management, payroll, customer "service," etc. So good workers in these departments still have very marketable job skills.

Really, if we followed the Constitution, everyone--including government workers--would be a lot better off.

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." --H. L. Mencken

Thank you, bureaucrats and defense contractors.

This warms my heart.

Liberty = Life

The people know that without liberty life and money mean nothing...

Vinnie V.

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loved it!

those paulians are everywhere!

but here is why, imho, the donations are up

its not so much federal workers as just "workers", in general

i think everyone agrees that our taxes are going to go from 50% to 75% if something drastically different is not presented

almost every "worker" in America wants Ron Paul!

Ron Paul

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

It goes to show

How far reaching and totally universal the idea of liberty is. And you have to remember that there is still going to be an element of self interest in there. Soldiers want to come home, EVERYBODY (except the "lost") innately wants to pay less tax, etc.

On the other side of it, I don't think all bureaucrats are bad people, but a system that is based on violence and coercion instead of slaving to appease the customer automatically puts the power in the hands of the producer. On top of that, I'm sure a lot of bureaucrats feel about America like many here do - they are people too, they read what goes on around the world. Maybe they have kids overseas, maybe they are sick and tired of killing civilians across the globe.

Some people are single-issue voters. the debt, the wars, etc. Ron Paul is the stand-out in every one of these single-issue categories, and so he attracts people across the board.

This is a good sign. A sign to work harder because the investment is paying dividends. ;)

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Progress is precisely that which the rules and regulations did not foresee. - Ludwig Von Mises.


Hope this becomes a campaign talking point. If the folks who depend on big government for their livelihoods are courageous enough to envision a different future...well that's a message that NEEDS to be heard.

I'm diggin' this

I'm diggin' this

Media is wrong AGAIN

What these media geniuses forget is that the MILITARY IS A BRANCH OF THE GOVERNMENT. Every soldier is a government employee. If you count their donations, Obama doesn't look so good. I bet if it was the other way around, these idiots would not have left that important piece of info out.


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hey, thats a pretty good point

i like them separate and I ALSO like them together

either way its a win for us

thank you for reminding us of that, i had not put that together yet

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Federal worker/Paul supporter here also

It is not counter-intuitive at all. That Federal bureaucrat was clueless. Who better would know the absolute insanity that goes on in Government offices than those that are there everyday - that are witnesses to the nonsense, incredible waste, and appalling corruption first-hand. You just would NOT believe it - it is really REALLY bad!

After watching those who are the most incompetent rise the quickest, it makes me incredulous that nearly ALL Government workers aren't on the Ron Paul bandwagon!

I take my marching orders from the Constitution!

County Worker & Paul Supporter Too! I agree with you and look

forward to Ron Paul putting his changes into place. And we know he will do it because he is a man of his word. Ron Paul, soon to be The People's President! It will be the best thing to happen to this country in years and years!



Let's not forget most of the federal jobs getting axed are not going away just like that. They're going away via attrition, meaning that federal employees don't have to worry about losing their jobs. Those jobs just won't be there when they retire or when they find a new job.

Yeah. Everyone knows that

Yeah. Everyone knows that with Liberty and Honesty, our country will do better, no matter what their current job is, unless they are selfish and a little obtuse. Regardless, it is becoming much harder to ignore Ron. Heh heh.

I'm a Federal Worker who supports RP

I had this discussion with a guy at work who told me he usually votes for the guy thats gonna benifit him the most. My argument to him was RP is that guy just not in the short run. If we wish for long term prosperity than he is our only option. I think being in the system makes it way easier to see the follies of big Government and nothing makes you more annoyed with your job as when you work for months to negotiate with a contractor and then to have it all thrown down the drain cause their lobbyist went around you and got a better deal. I also believe that with less government, one day the economy will be vibrant again and I'll have more jobs to choose from. Maybe I'm crazy, but I am of the belief that we dont have shaft the American people to be able to be prosperious and in fact I see this as ultimatly make my life way worse. And if your so selfish that this is how you think, then your probably not going to be generous with all the flip flopping clowns anyway. It kinda reminds me of the character Libertarian Ron Swanson from the TV show Parks and Rec. One episode a school girl asked him for help to write a paper about governemt. He first turned her down then ended up helping her write about how horrible government is. haha

Being a Government Worker doesn't mean...

you don't value Liberty, the Constitution, and the Declaration of Independence. I used to do contract work as a Medical Doctor in Government Subsidized Clinics and I was horrified to see what had become of the Art of Medicine. I was a Teacher before Medical School and I was horrified at what was happening to Education in the Government Schools. Because the Government takes up space, people trying to do the kind of work they want to do sometimes end up working for the Government, but from the inside out - anyone with a conscience - can see Government Bureaucracies decrease quality and increase cost, pushing out the more efficient Private Sector which is immoral and demonstrates a lack of compassion. Being a Government Worker doesn't mean you necessarily lack a conscience. And if you survive without going unconscious, you wake up. And then, who else is there besides PRESIDENT RON PAUL?

Here's a few more explanations........

1.) Many government workers are able to work for the government because they have clean records, an education, and often are self made people, all traits that will serve them well in the private sector if need be.

2.) The ones donating don't belong to some of the govt agancies that are going to get the axe.

3.) I benefit in some way from there being so many friggin' taxes, but it doesn't mean I don't want to see them go. Maybe they have similar sentiments about their situation.

I wouldn't be so quick to downplay the amount of donors. If the "base" you supposedly represent won't donate money to you, than how on board are they with "you" representing them? Maybe they just choose the lesser of two evils and don't want to donate money for something they don't really believe in.

Where as Ron Paul supporters have...... well we know what we have, that's why we donate.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing". - Sir Edmund Burke

there is an explanation

the reason Ron Paul gets the most money from government workers is not necessarily because they support him the most... It's most likely due to the fact that the vast majority of donations and money raised come from small-donor individuals. Ron Paul's campaign has more of these small donors/individual donors than other campaigns that rely on big donations from special interests. For example, even though Romney raises more money, he has fewer donors. This ratio of donors means that Ron Paul has a higher chance of receiving more donations from people working in government sectors, the military, or specific corporations.

It's not impossible that these areas don't just happen to support him, but it's likely that it's another example of a vocal minority expressing their opinion.... Ron Paul supporters are probably much more likely to donate to the campaign then Mitt Romney supporters are likely to donate to Romney's campaign.

Luckily for us, it seems no one has realized this technicality, so we can continue to use the argument that these donation totals are evidence that Ron Paul is the most popular/has the most support/is right on the issues.

I am a government worker in Ca

I cant get a private job because none exist. I have to work in horrible conditions with horrible people

I too am a government worker (County healthcare) in CA...

I care for the poor and underserved population of the County I serve....

However, I concur of what you had just said above..esp. the "horrible" (read as lazy slobs) part.

When your people get sprayed with pesticeds

you send them to me :P