Now to Recall the Senators and Congressmen Who Voted for NDAA Military Detention of Americans.
Submitted by James_Madison_Lives on Sun, 12/18/2011 - 21:22Last night I engaged in a friendly conversation with a man from Algeria who was very upset when I told him about NDAA, the new law allowing indefinite military detention of US citizens without charge or trial. He said he had come here to get away from that sort of thing, which had happened in his country and was fresh in his mind. His description of what happened in Algeria during its equivalent of Argentina's "Dirty War" was chilling and he kept shaking his head about the new law here, visibly distressed.
Basically what he said was that the next step is a large number of people, it was 50,000 in his country he said, will disappear without a trace. The government will do it to instill fear in everyone else and to show they can do it, and get away with it, so everyone else is much easier to manage. It will not matter whether you are rich or poor, on the left or on the right, a university professor, a doctor, or if your father is a rich businessman. It simply won't matter. Your family will go to the police station to file a missing persons report but they will not be able to help you. Left or right doesn't matter, it is anyone with strong opinions who can express them who are the threat.
Everywhere you turn there will be a brick wall. No one knows anything, yes it has been happening a lot, and no one can help. It will be as if you had never existed.
I asked him if there was some kind of historic national reconciliation and prosecution of the criminals who did it. He said no one would know whom to prosecute, in the end, because even this much later no one knew who was really behind it. Of course it was the Army, but not the entire Army, just certain specialized units, perhaps segregated from the rest, led by generals whom other generals did not challenge, perhaps out of fear that they could go to. What the military excels at is compartmentalizing functions and telling groups of people only what they need to know, and keeping the rest almost as in the dark as civilians.
In every respect it sounded like some sort of ultimate gang takeover.
I'm not kidding when I say he was upset. He was squirming and shaking his head. He spoke with a thick French accent and said he was going to Google this, since of course there has been a major media blackout He said this is how it starts, the declared figleaf of legal authority to detain anyone. He acted as if he knew what comes next.
I believe our best defense is to now challenge the authority of Congress to pass such a law, and as citizens declare it invalid, and take the fight to the state houses since the federal government is now so obviously hopelessly corrupt.
Power now reverts back to the states, since the federal government has egregiously violated and sought to overturn our "unalienable rights," and we must call on our state legislators, who are closest to us, to recall our federal representatives from Washington who voted for this. The Founders have given us potent tools to establish our right to recall, which is a peaceful and incremental measure compared to the right they gave us to "abolish" a government which has become "destructive" of our "unalienable rights."
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it... -- Declaration of Independence as originally written by Thomas Jefferson, 1776."
Jefferson indicated clearly that the Right to a Jury Trial, contained in the Sixth Amendment, was among the "unalienable rights." Jefferson said:
"I consider trial by jury as the only anchor ever yet imagined by man, by which a government can be held to the principles of its constitution."
As a first exercise in state power, the recall of the treasonous federal legislators should be exercised and implemented in states where there are already recall laws, the powers for which are established by the Tenth Amendment. Since the power of recall is not a power which is expressly "prohibited" by the Constitution, it is a power "reserved" to the states and to the people, according to the Tenth Amendment:
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
Some say that US senators cannot be recalled. This is not true. The law is far from settled.
That the power to recall senators and congressmen resides in the people can be inferred by the existence of the Constitutional provisions for expulsion from either house by vote. It would be absurd to conclude that the Founders intended for congressmen to be more responsible to their colleagues than to the very people they represent. If the Founders had intended for representatives to be able to serve out their terms in the face of any opposition short of criminal conviction, the expulsion clauses would not have been included.
If a congressman's term can be cut short by a super-majority vote of his or her colleagues, surely a state may exercise the same power either by direct recall by the state legislature or by a mechanism enacted by that legislature to do so. In addition, there is the clearly articulated right to "alter or abolish" the government if necessary, which indicates that the Founders would not have objected to recall laws.
The legislative history of the federal official recall supports this "reserved" power, in that there is little legislative history at all. Two state courts have ruled that their senators cannot be recalled, Idaho and New Jersey, but the opinions have been weakly worded and and argued, and anyway do not apply to other states. The issue of recall of federal officials is ripe to be revisited in this political climate.
In addition, arrest warrants should be issued for the Treasonous 383, who egregiously and knowingly violated their Oath of Office. The Oath of Office of the U.S. senator and congressman, required by the Constitution before assuming duties, as well as any American military officer, is: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic…” The Oath makes no mention of defending territory, the president, or anything other than the Constitution. The Founders intended that defense of the Constitution come before all else.
Thomas Jefferson said: "I consider trial by jury as the only anchor ever yet imagined by man, by which a government can be held to the principles of its
constitution." By violating their Oath to protect and defend the United States Constitution, these senators have made themselves "domestic enemies" of the Constitution, and can no longer be said to represent us.
18 states presently have recall laws: Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Georgia, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, New Jersey, North Dakota, Oregon, Rhode Island, Washington and Wisconsin. State legislatures can pass them in states which do not.
[MODEL RECALL LAW, WASHINGTON STATE CONSTITUTION ARTICLE I, SECTIONS 33 AND 34.]
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I helped organize this Tea Party in Monroe, Michigan
...listen to this man WARN us...
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Expect people to start disappearing...
Yes, and expect some "unanticipated vacancies" in law enforcement, civilian, federal and military.
thank you--
I feel much the way your Algerian "friend" feels.
This is not a good thing.
Your ideas are good.
it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--
Remember Solzhenitzyn's exhortation in The Gulag Archipelago!
NEVER allow yourselves to be taken.
Once it begins happening and you know it, make the kidnappers pay for their attempts. Solzhenitzyn said even if you have to use fire-pokers or pipes, etc, make the kidnappers pay the ultimate price every time they try it, until eventually there will be none of them left alive.
You have nothing to lose, and everything to gain by this.
If everyone takes out one of them, even if it is an even trade, one for one, they will run out of thugs, and we will win.
NEVER be taken without taking at least one of them out with you. If you go with them you are dead anyway. They will torture you, drug you, brainwash you, enslave you, or just plain kill you. There is no benefit to go in with them.
Remember it. It is the duty of every one of us, when the evil ones begin that activity.
Solzenitzyn was right. I will not be taken alive
if I can possibly help it, and have already choreographed reaching for my weapon in my mind. They just want to take you where you can be killed in a setting where they can conveniently manage the bloody mess.
All of us resisting does another thing: it buys time for loyal military units to hear of and understand what is going on, and to attack the treasonous units. I've been around soldiers all my life and grew up on bases. I believe many of them really do understand their Oath.
Anyway I'm not afraid of dying, we all have to die. As George Washington said "until I sleep with my fathers." But I won't be taken and made into a vegetable.
That being said, I don't think we are quite there yet. Draft a recall law if your state doesn't have one modeled along the state of Arizona's, with the clause "including federal elected officials" for clarity. Submit it to all your state legislators or run for state rep yourself. It's only a few wards, that's easy.
We have a lot of door to door education to do but the reaction I have encountered is heartening. No more apologetics for Obama, or anyone. Once people know, they are roundly disgusted and furious. They just don't know. This overreach can backfire in our favor, and we may be able to get rid of a good number of these bastards finally. Faced with active recall drives with more people finding out why every day, a number will simply resign or announce they will not seek re-election.
http://www.ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Article_8,_Arizona...
Text of Section 1:
Officers Subject to Recall; Petitioners
"Every public officer in the state of Arizona, INCLUDING FEDERAL ELECTED OFFICIALS, holding an elective office, either by election or appointment, is subject to recall from such office by the qualified electors of the electoral district from which candidates are elected to such office. Such electoral district may include the whole state. Such number of said electors as shall equal twentyfive per centum of the number of votes cast at the last preceding general election for all of the candidates for the office held by such officer, may by petition, which shall be known as a recall petition, demand his recall. "
A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life.
-- Muhammad Ali
My state government is in China's pocket.
Oh, wait, that is not their pocket....
In all of Idaho, I know TWO - count 'em - TWO representatives who are not bleating sheep, playing out the GOP / Dem game for all it is worth. Mind you, I sat on the State Central Committee for 2 years, so I met a lot of them.
Whatever else I said a minute ago, the last word I want to get in is
LOVE!
fisyculture for state rep!
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A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life.
-- Muhammad Ali
If they hate us for our freedoms....
We should tell Obama and Santorum, Bachmann, and all the other Chicken Hawks out there who think the terrorists hate us for our freedoms to go ahead and call the War in Terror off since we clearly don't have any freedoms anymore for them to hate us for!
Thxs for the informative post
Thxs for the informative post & comments even if it's unnerving...
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who is Kim Kardashian dating now?
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Thanks for posting
To understand the big picture I can recommend David Icke even if some of his stuff may seem to far out to you at first.
The elite running the world are now very close to their totalitarian tyranny they have been working on for more than hundred years.
Waking up is a process, I am glad to see more people are ready for the next step.
The waking up manual: http://www.dailypaul.com/168937/the-waking-up-manual-how-to-...
PS
Has this thing been signed yet?
donvino
Americans are too distracted
Americans are too distracted and ignorant of reality to be justifiably terrified.
2012 Is About Abolishing Slavery In America --Google that!
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Invest in Liberty, one Apartment deal at a time with me. Get a check each month as a passive investor, just ask me how.
Don't have time to elaborate,
Don't have time to elaborate, but Occupy Wall Street was just a test designed to accomplish the following:
1. Make sure the Police will do as they told, beat and arrest innocent people.
2. Make the public associate the Gov. opposition with dirty, stupid, lazy and crazy people, just read the MSM stories about OWS, all about drugs, prostitutes, garbage,etc.
3. Test one more time how weak and divided is the American
population.
4. Enforce the idea the Gov. can do whatever they want to you, you have no rights.
Now they are getting ready for the next step, arresting people who have influence over others and detain them for long periods of time, some will even die or commit "suicide", depends how dangerous to the Gov. they are.
But many will just stayed locked for few years (minimum 3up to 20), they will accept medication while incarcerated because getting "treated" will be the only hope to ever get out...so in few years the lucky families will get back a subdued vegetable who once was a normal person.
At least this is what happened under the communist regimes in the early stages, but you never know since the thirst of blood of the current ruling "elite" is making Stalin look like a nice guy.I grew up in East Europe,looking back we where really free compared to the present USA.
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Make a plan of action...
with the people you know in case of a sudden "disappearance". Have an understanding that if you or your family mysteriously drop out of communication then something is up and could be due to this event. Steps taken after are up to the ones effected. As of today,start making some kind of preparations for your family to deal with this scenario. I have no doubt that every one of us is a target. Who knows when the law will begin to be enforced,against whom and to what extent. I for one will not go quietly.
For the record:I am not a threat to the President or the people or property of the State. I just want my freedom respected and the US Constitution to be followed. Liberty or Death.
Part of the plan
should include at least a basic understanding of secure communications and practice of some cryptography system.
The time when it was safe to have anything more than the most bland and trivial uncoded discussion by any electronic means has past.
A great learning experience
Nothing, nothing is more enlightening then speaking with someone who lived in a totalitarian regime.
Be they from Cuba, Eastern Europe, the Soviet Empire, East Asia, Fascist Spain or South American nations, there are lots of such folks in this country to seek out.
Sharing a meal or a few beers with at least one is a must for every American.
Surely the folks claiming to represent us in cosmopolitan D.C. must have had this experience. Nobody who has could possibly be ignorant enough not to recognize the danger of laws like these. The corruption implied by their easy passage is scarcely imaginable.
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very true, this is what the Gov. will do, NDAA is strictly about crushing any oppossition to the Gov.
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I hate to admit, but I'm now
I hate to admit, but I'm now officially scared. Anyone care to join me on an extended holiday to Mexico?
I am so disgusted at our Senate
And I am formally ashamed for ever EVER voting for McCain, who helped author the controversial language in this bill.
Hey Senator....I know you got my email because I sent it to your official address: "I hereby retract my vote (which was a grudge vote...I was not impressed) for John McCain in 2008. I look forward to the day when YOU and other statists...democrat or republican...are VOTED OUT OF OFFICE."
Good riddance.
Ron Paul 2012!!
Chris
Norfolk, VA
It happens...
Jon Voigt Endorsed McCain too !!
donvino
Evidently McCain wants every
Evidently McCain wants every American to know what it's like to be just like him; a prisoner of war.
I wish I felt good
about saying, "I told you so!" to all of the pissants that laughed at me for the last few years. But I don't.
Protect yourselves or bow. The choice is yours.
30 second ads - NDAA
1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lO6yQvODZjI&feature=related
2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYI1PY-b-ro&feature=related
Standing Firm in GA
Does anyone want to GET REAL about this?
:30 second ads depicting an American holocaust!!! ???
Who sets out to film such commercials; who FUNDS the filming of such commercials; who then sets up cameras and directs such a commercial???
This is very IN YOUR FACE; and what would be MTV's audience reaction???
Do they VOTE? Have they even registered to vote? Do they know who Ron Paul is? Are they living, or do they intend on living one future day in total dependance off the government?
Do they KNOW when the victims of the holocaust were marched down into the pits to be put to death at gunpoint that virtually nobody turned around and fought back?
Do they know the holocaust was NOT about Jews; it was about dissent against a war machine - Christian/moral values based on human concerns versus a dictator who professed/gave the persona that he was a Christian/religious man with moral conviction retaliating against those he felt were a threat to him?
The mood of most Americans ELIGIBLE to vote is still very distracted and docile...if they have their creature comforts, a church to go to, and a job; this doesn't seem POSSIBLE - so Ron Paul supporters are kooky to them because we discuss things like this with GREAT thought, introspection, and research meant to COMPASSIONATELY WARN OTHERS not to let this happen.
But I fear the people will think this is nuts, it CANNOT happen here; and it will be too late before they get it...and then...they will be scared, and OBEY!!!
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Yes, who filmed/ produced these?
I wondered the same thing... who filmed these? They moved quickly or were well informed early on.
Biblical Christianity is intentionally being watered-down, distorted, tainted. It is a threat for the Few to divide & control the Many. God & thus Christians value the individual, whether he is young, old, maimed, mentally deficit, etc. The state does not, not does it want you to do so.
Standing Firm in GA
I fear this
I've read the Gulag Archipelago and about the Spanish Civil War recently and all I could think about is how we are no different. There is nothing extraordinary about being American, we are not immune.
Yet I wonder, how much crowd control might be complicated by the fact that we are the most heavily armed civilian populace in the world?
Good Solzenitsyn quote -
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive & had to say goodbye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling in terror at every bang of the downstairs door & at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose & had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand. The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers & transport &, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst; the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!" Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Even the existence of recall campaigns in almost every state
would cast doubt on the authority of the present sitting members, and therefore the the legitimacy of the NDAA provisions. This may give more soldiers pause before following illegal orders, and in the end any repression counts on this. Call them "senator" no longer, now they are merely "the person occupying the senate seat of the great state of X," until they are out for even thinking about this, and loyal officials elected.
A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life.
-- Muhammad Ali