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Greenville News: Ron Paul Picking Up Herman Cain and Tea Party Supporters in South Carolina

Like a hardy perennial, Ron Paul is back as a serious challenge to the Republican frontrunners for president, a top-tier candidate in all three early primary states who benefits from some of the tea party support winnowed from the wilting campaigns of his rivals.

He’s more likely to win caucus states such as Iowa, political experts say, where several polls put him in the lead. In South Carolina, Paul has recently moved into third place in several polls, though results are mixed. In New Hampshire, he’s running as high as second place.

It’s not a surge made only of die-hard Paul supporters.

More than any other candidate, Paul has hammered recent frontrunner Newt Gingrich for what he calls hypocrisy and selling Washington access, chipping away with harsh TV ads at the former House speaker’s popularity and potentially setting himself up to collect valuable Republican delegates in the event of a neck-and-neck primary season between Romney and Gingrich, Republican figures say.

The Gingrich campaign has declined to respond in kind, promising a positive campaign.

MORE : http://www.greenvilleonline.com/article/20111223/NEWS/312220...

Or try this link : http://www.greenvilleonline.com/article/20111226/NEWS/312260...

UPDATED : If you can't read the story on the greenville news site the entire story is posted in full here : http://www.hermancainforums.com/index.php/topic,2456.0.html

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I wish I could remember

what channel I was watching but it was Herman Cain telling the reporter he would be endorsing a candidate that would be very unconventional or something to that effect. Wondering if anyone else saw it.

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This is a good reminder to be welcoming

As hard as it might be, it is very important to not browbeat any voters. You never know who might end up voting for RP.

For example, no way would I have voted for Ron Paul in 2008. Now he is the only one I WILL vote for. I didn't come his way because I was yelled down by supporters.

Same for me

I was the same - in 2008 there was no way I would have voted for Dr. Paul (primarily because I didn't see the wisdom of bringing our troops home). Now, he is the ONLY choice. And I didn't change my mind because I was yelled at or made to feel stupid by his supporters. Although now I find it frustrating to speak with someone who won't budge on the pro-war mindset - ironic since that used to be me. Just need to be persistent, calm, friendly, and show the evidence on why this makes sense.

Gingrich is Unelectable.

I hope the great people of South Carolina realize a Ron Paul presidency would very much benefit military industrial complex friendly states. Just imagine 100 independent sovereign nations funding and building their own national defense as they climb the pyramid of self-actualization.

Meanwhile, we bring our military home to strengthen our own national defense. Most likely these nations would be interested in purchasing some of the best weapons systems in the world from the labor and innovation of the United States of America. A Ron Paul free society will result in global prosperity and increased global security.

A man abound of muscle (bodybuilder) rarely encounters a physical threat. There are many nations out there that can provide their own nation security and they should have a right to do so. They should also enjoy the rewards of for doing so. It is called freedom.

If you are interested in a stronger and a more prosperous world you need Dr. Ron Paul at the helm. Herman Cain supporters and Gingrich supporters should support Ron Paul over Romney. This is now a two-man race, as Mr. Gingrich did not make the requirements for the Virginia Primary ballot. If his campaign is unable to make requirements like this, Gingrich is simply unelectable.

Dr. Ron Paul is the only solution for 2012!

"In the beginning of change, the patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it cost nothing to be a patriot.”-Mark Twain

That's an excellent point,

That's an excellent point, and something that Paul needs to emphasize as he starts fleshing out his FP views with details: though our troops will be leaving S. Korea, Japan, Europe, et al, our friends overseas will still be able to purchase our military equipment. And this actually will be a bit of an economic boon for the U.S., as currently weak first-world nations race to re-arm after 60 years of post-war "alliance" with the U.S.

I'm not a fan of Boeing and Raytheon, but business is business, and I have no problem with weapons exports provided the U.S. government is not subsidizing or otherwise interfering with that business.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Paul is already the front runner

The only thing that makes the most sense is that we watchthevote2012.com If we do that we guarantee a win because Romney can't cheat his way to win.

Why is Paul the front runner??? Obama would never compare himself with somebody he can't win against but he would say or point out somebody that he thinks is the front runner that he thinks he can win against and that' Romney... but he never mentions Paul which I believe is because he knows if he mentions Paul... Paul will gain more support and beat him(Obama).

MSM Polls are skewed... Look at my topic on how MSM Polls try to make us believe in there lies and then cheat their way to win...

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An excellent article by Bob Livingston

this morning on his Personal Liberty Digest. NO mincing of words... Strongly supportive of RP...

Susie 4 Liberty

Not tv ads

The media keeps saying that Paul's tv ads are chipping away at Gingrich's popularity. I believe the ads were irrelevant and had nothing to do with Gingrich's popularity. I think Ron Paul has become more likeable and that is why Ron is surging.

Yes, the ads are important

The reason Ron is going up in these "official" polls is because they're taken from those with only landlines, which are the older folks who get all their info from the TV, and are unlikely to be on the internet, or have cell phones. TV ads to reach them are crucial.

Gingrich is relying on his gingbots and gingbats

to do the responding. His friends at CNN, FOX and the rest of the MSM are doing their best to help Newtie It doesn't seem to be working. I'm on another site and a known gingrich supporter just keeps posting articles about RP and the newsletters. Guess they can't find anything positive to post about gingrich. LOL

GEAUX RON PAUL 2012.

Another site?

What other site? Maybe I could come laugh at him with you?

Free Republic

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GEAUX RON PAUL 2012.

hehehe.. gingrich promising

hehehe.. gingrich promising to not respond in kind promissing clean campaign.. probably because there is absolutly nothing to respond to?

And while he was proclaiming...

his intent to run a clean campaign he was at the same time trashing every opponent one by one...

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This fact:

“Then again,” Sabato said, referring to Gingrich, “you’d think they’d have a problem with adultery and three wives. An amazing number are putting that to the side.”

is what blows my mind - it NEVER ceases to amaze me how easy it is for so many to compromise a belief system or rationalize a fact or ignore the truth when convenient.

Picture the three monkeys - hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil.

Only problem is they are not recognizing the real evil - hopefully the brochures, etc. will change some minds and hearts.

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

Full Article

I'm sorry. I have no patience for press that is greedy -- taking advertising money to sell to me and then asking me to pay for me getting solicited.

Make this story go viral, we are winning.

Like a hardy perennial, Ron Paul is back as a serious challenge to the Republican frontrunners for president, a top-tier candidate in all three early primary states who benefits from some of the tea party support winnowed from the wilting campaigns of his rivals.

He’s more likely to win caucus states such as Iowa, political experts say, where several polls put him in the lead. In South Carolina, Paul has recently moved into third place in several polls, though results are mixed. In New Hampshire, he’s running as high as second place.

It’s not a surge made only of die-hard Paul supporters.

More than any other candidate, Paul has hammered recent frontrunner Newt Gingrich for what he calls hypocrisy and selling Washington access, chipping away with harsh TV ads at the former House speaker’s popularity and potentially setting himself up to collect valuable Republican delegates in the event of a neck-and-neck primary season between Romney and Gingrich, Republican figures say.

The Gingrich campaign has declined to respond in kind, promising a positive campaign.

Perhaps the biggest indicator of Paul’s standing now is the return of prominent examinations of his history, particularly a newsletter that used to circulate under his name.

Among notoriously fervent Paul believers, some of whom have essentially been campaigning since 2008, none of this is a surprise, and they believe Paul can win it all with both grassroots fervor and a more professional campaign than the one he ran four years ago.

Other primary voters say that after a whipsawing process that has seen the rise and fall of one tea party prospect after another, Paul is the anti-establishment candidate left standing.

Mike Frank, who administers Herman Cain Forums, is one such convert. What he liked about Cain was his common sense, his Washington outsider status, his belief in small government. Paul is similar in many ways — consistent for 20 years, very much outside the establishment.

“Most of us were shocked and even asked ourselves, ‘Why haven’t we heard more about Ron Paul?’” Frank said in an email interview. Michele Bachmann was also examined, but he said her changing positions and public mistakes turned him off.

He fielded a request to endorse Gingrich, who he doesn’t view as a true Republican, and the conversation turned heated. In the past two weeks, Frank reports “extreme growth” on the forums, to 21,000 total members.

David Haskins is a younger convert who voted for John McCain in 2000 and 2008. Here, too, his attraction to McCain — personal character, consistency, a resistance to special interest influences and the “political party dynamic” — best transfers to Paul.

“He was the tea party before there was a tea party,” Haskins said.

Both Gingrich and Bachmann have rolled out lists of tea party endorsement in recent weeks. But in a state with 124 different liberty groups, longtime Paul supporter Chris Lawton doesn’t find this indicative of any swell of support for one candidate.

He speaks of former Cain supporters and current Bachmann adherents who have or could soon switch to Paul, and he describes the people who have already converted much like himself when he first latched onto the colorful libertarian in 2007: they act like torch-bearers.

Reflecting the Internet-driven, socially disparate nature of Paul’s support, a study this month by the Pew Research Center's Project for Excellence in Journalism showed that in the highly opinionated world of political Twitter, Paul is the only candidate for whom positive remarks outweighed negative ones.

He’s also the most favorably discussed candidate on political blogs, while he received less coverage from traditional news outlets from May through November than any Republican candidate except Rick Santorum, Pew reported.

“Paul seems to have struck a chord with some cohort in social media,” the study reported.

Larry Sabato, director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia and an active Twitter user, describes the dynamic this way: If you don’t write about Paul, you’re deluged with aggrieved supporters. If you do write about him, you also get hundreds of responses.

Currently, Paul is focused on Iowa, spending much less time in South Carolina than his rivals. This leaves scant opportunity to hear him live or conduct interviews, but a recent profile in The Washington Post depicted a 76-year-old candidate whose campaign prefers small-scale events and uses direct mail to target undecided voters.

In parts of Greenville, envelopes dense with text-heavy letters with family photos and pages of arguments have been landing in mailboxes for weeks. And supporters such as Lawton are involved in tea party efforts to roll out a mobile precinct organizing system that he believes could elevate precision voter targeting.

Paul has been widely cited as having one of the strongest Iowa organizations, and Public Policy Polling has likened his strength among young people, new voters and independents to Barack Obama’s 2008 effort.

“The big question is whether these folks will really come out and vote,” PPP’s Tom Jensen wrote. “If they do, we could be in for a big upset.”

So what if Paul won Iowa, Romney won New Hampshire as expected and Gingrich won South Carolina, where he still has a double-digit lead?

That would cast Florida as tiebreaker, and Sabato said Paul isn’t likely to do well in a state where heavy media spending and an emphasis on large turnout is required.

Still, he’s been a top-tier fundraiser, raising millions with his “money bombs” and placing third for total fundraising in the most recent reports filed with the Federal Election Commission.

With this prominence come questions refreshed from 2008 about a former newsletter associated with Paul that published disparaging comments about blacks and gays. Paul has said repeatedly in recent days that he didn’t write the articles, didn’t read them at the time and doesn’t agree with them.

Sabato said Paul’s role in the primary contest remains more likely to be as a thorn in the side of the eventual winners.

“His impact will mainly be through the caucuses and accumulating enough delegates potentially to keep somebody from getting a majority,” he said, adding that even this scenario would require the field to remain fairly large with Romney and Gingrich competing evenly over a long period of time.

It remains an open question whether some core Republican primary voters are warming to Paul’s views, many of which are more libertarian than some conservatives and evangelicals have traditionally stomached.

His support for pulling back on international military and allowing states to legalize drug use, for example, are still highly controversial among some conservative voters.

David Woodard, a Clemson University political scientist and pollster, said this is likely to stymie an increase in support.

“I think the Christian conservative element that is so active in the Republican Party is not going to be able to swallow his libertarian positions,” Woodard said, mentioning drugs and abortion, where Paul has advocated a state-level approach.

“Then again,” Sabato said, referring to Gingrich, “you’d think they’d have a problem with adultery and three wives. An amazing number are putting that to the side.”

Gingrich, despite his promise to stay positive, said of Paul in a radio interview Thursday, “I think the key to his volunteer base is people who want to legalize drugs.”

Lawton said Paul’s stance on drug laws is simply one of states rights — a now-frequent Republican mantra. He also emailed a link to a pro-Paul blog touting a 13-minute video as the answer to voters who say they like Paul, but not his foreign policy.

The video features military veterans and lays out Paul’s argument that American military action abroad has triggered terrorist blowback.

Amid a frenzy of campaign activity in recent weeks, Paul hasn’t been in South Carolina much, and Lawton said his only paid staffer recently went to help in Iowa.

But he said the lack of paid staff here doesn’t concern him.

“Not when you have the kind of supporters we have,” he said.

Source www.greenvillenews.com

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/article/20111226/NEWS/312260...

Dude are you trying to get DP

Dude are you trying to get DP charged with copyright infringement again? Don't ever post a full article unless you have written permission from the publisher.

MODS you need to fix this.

Technically..

it is illegal for a website to link to non-free copyrighted material reproduced on another site without permission. Which you did with the last "updated" link to your hermancainforums site.

Thousands of sites have been taken down for this exact same thing in the past year for linking to copyright material on third party sites...

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Thanks for the updated link

Do people understand why the Super Brochures to South Carolina are so important now?

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

Those super Brochures have

Those super Brochures have had a huge impact no doubt.

What Cain acquired by deception, RP gains through

righteousness.

Proverbs 13:22 says, “A good man leaveth an inheritance to his children’s children: and the wealth of the sinner is laid up for the just.”

I mean that's why we work for Ron Paul. He's just and righteous. The only one.

I love this line...

"The Gingrich campaign has declined to respond in kind, promising a positive campaign."

Yes! Good thing that Gingrich has vowed to be a nice guy, or else he'd be running all kinds of ads about Ron Paul's hypocrisy... That is, if Newt had any money... and if Dr. Paul had any hypocrisy...

this link should work

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/article/20111226/NEWS/312260...

"Liberty cannot be preserved without general knowledge among the people" ~ John Adamas

I get the subscribe button on

I get the subscribe button on that link now, this is weird.

This one works ... Maybe not the same

Ron Paul picking up tea party supporters in state as other campaigns falter

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/article/20111226/NEWS/312260...

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