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Explaining "rude" supporters

Apart from Ron's foreign policy, the one thing that people object to is the way many of Ron's supporters behave. I'd like to explain one reason why these supporters are so intolerant.

There's a human tendency, when learning something new that immediately becomes obvious, to feel and act as though they knew it all along. They treat others, who are now in the same position THEY were in only a short time ago, as being stupid or unwilling to see the light.

That psychological phenomenon is magnified greatly when one's new perspective elicits a fierce loyalty and conviction. The frustration of having people just not get it can be so great that it's hard to avoid resorting to yelling and such.

On top of all that, so many of Ron's new supporters are young, idealistic, and maybe not very well disciplined where social behavior is concerned.

It's like a "triple whammy" conspiring to make Ron look bad by association with supporters who can hardly force themselves to be polite.

Of course, an important response to this is that Ron doesn't pick and choose his supporters, and he's not at all responsible for their behavior. There's also (as I saw somewhere here just minutes ago) the important point that other candidates have the same problem -- probably to a lesser degree since there's not much passion behind the rudeness.

Anyway, I think that explaining the amount of rudeness among Ron's supporters as largely an effect of their passion and frustration is something people can understand and sympathize with.

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I've said this before and

I've said this before and I'll say it again, this is war. Those who can't take the heat should stay away from the fire. Some of us have been at this fight passionately for a lot more than 4 years. We have absorbed a great deal in that time and feel this may very well be our last hope to secure our freedom.

In a debate setting glass will fly. It's not for the timid. One man's rudeness is another man's passion. Things happen and materialize a whole lot quicker in certain parts of the country. The speed of life can be quite different depending upon where you are from.

Maybe if some supporters were surrounded by invading welfare armies and they witnessed 1st hand how the jobs disappear as unscrupulous companies hire them and or companies just pack up and leave the state their blood would boil too. There blood should boil though because they're paying for these anchor babies and welfare colonists thanks to romneycare.

Don't judge another man until you walked a mile in his shoes.

Forget the "RUDE" supporter nonsense

This is a menial and ignorant topic. So what! Ron's supporters seem rude. Cry me a river! It's pretty GOD DAMN rude to kill half a million people. It's pretty rude to bankrupt an entire planet! It's pretty F'en rude to lie, twist, distort, manipulate, and betray. It's pretty rude to conspire to kill Americans to enable endless wars. It's pretty rude to devalue our currency and rob the people blind. It's about mother f#$ckin time we got rude back and demanded our country back. Piss on the people who can't handle a little old-fashioned truth to wake up their dull lifeless hearts.

And, even though I agree with your psychological evaluation, not EVERYONE here is a newbie to the good Doctor. We realize our own deficiencies, but when we saw the truth we didn't resist, we embraced. To see idiots close their eyes and piss on the truth DEMANDS we get rude to them. Hell, common sense and intelligence didn't bring them in to the fold...maybe a good swift kick in the ass will :)

It's now or never...time to hit the streets and spread the truth!

That's Danged Right

Now that I read your comment, yeahhhhhhhhhh! Screw those bastards, the destroyers of America and the world. RP supporter rudeness is nothing compared to their rudeness, their evil. F them!

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Great Scott! Great Video!

Great introduction video to Ron Paul. Thanks, Scott.

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wonderful!

thank you!

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Something from Nothing

Like a Fed note made out of thin air, this talk about rude RP supporters is something made out of nothing, at least if the rude supporters comprise any percentage larger than 1 or 2 percent of Ron's supporters, not withstanding rude people can be anywhere on the planet doing what they want (as long as they're hurting no except themselves if they want to, lol).

Let's get real.

For all the talk in the media about rude RP supporters, why isn't there talk about the kind, articule, patient and knowledge-seeking RP supporters? Why discuss the minority of RP supporters when that minority is almost nonexistent? Assuming there are some rude supporters of other candidates, why not talk about those supporters? Further on that front, why not compare the differences between rude supporters of RP and those of the other candidates? Why not make that comparison?

Maybe it's because they'll find the RP supporter bears the trait that'll lay open the rest of his traits: ablility to articulate. If given a chance to talk, that'll reveal his other traits, showing that if he was rude his rudeness came from repeated verbal assualts such as interruption, yelling, talking over, name calling and straw man arguments, all of which can condition someone to act or react in a particular way.

One word comes to mind that the RP supporter can complain about regarding how people treat him and how the media treats Ron Paul: fair.

It's not that Ron Paul gets little media time, it's that more often than not media heads either mangle the hell out of what Ron's said, his message (read: freedom), talk for him (a pre-emption) or attack him by omitting germane information or interjecting nonsequitor information causing a contorted projection of Ron's record and what he's said.

So, aside from the assaults, this contortion worries the RP supporter because he's aware the wrong message about RP reaches not a few people but relatively a large number of people. The RP supporter battles two forces -- repeated seemingly around the clock -- in conversations he has with people concerned about our country.

Fairness.

It's what the RP supporter and Ron Paul want.

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton Forest Dutton, MD, in his 1916 book whose subject is origin (therefore what all healing methods involve and count on), simple and powerful.

I've been called a troll on

I've been called a troll on this website more times than I can count. Anytime I say anything that isn't exactly in line with Ron Paul, people immediately question my character and motives.

So what? That's the way life is. I don't hold it against "all Ron Paul supporters" as a group.

Of course there are annoying pains in the butt, but that's the same with any group of people, especially those motivated by a cause. That doesn't mean we're all throwing snowballs at Sean Hannity.

the rude supporters myth

it's called debating. over the years i have only seen a small handful of rude rp supporters here. go check out huffpo if you want to see rude people. huffpo wasn't always rude. back in 2000 it was a pretty nice place. not much was going on there back then and former republican miss huff was supporting john mcCain and the shadow convention. things have completely changed there now.

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NO ONE has been more unfair to Ron Paul than Frank Luntz.

His phony, biased "focused groups" have been direct attacks on both Ron Paul and his supporters. Luntz may be expressing the truth when he complements Ron Paul, but his actions have been treacherous and he deserves all the hostility that has been directed at him by supporters of Ron Paul.

Frank is a surprise on this one.

He was very complimentary towards Dr. Paul. Even when Frank wasn't saying the name, he was leading viewers in Ron Paul's direction. Hats off to him on that one.

But, his take on the supporters is way off. I have lurked here a while, and generally speaking, there is little mean spirited rudeness. Two other large forums are a little rougher, one attracting trolls by the many, pros. But, even there, threads about Ron Paul are usually almost joyful, until the trolls show up and start insulting the supporters or Ron Paul. I haven't seen any mean spirited supporter blogs.
What I find is what most of you have found. In comment sections, almost 100% of supporters fight back with facts, links, and an attitude of trying to reasonably inform or correct misinformation.
I do not find overt rudeness unless it is necessary to do so. When I do see push back, it is usually in direct response to being insulted or ridiculed, and in response to boldfaced lies. And, even then, Ron Paul supporters fight back with facts.

I think Frank's intent may have actually been intended as good advice, but he generalized which made it feel like an underhanded insult to anyone listening. I'm surprised no caller said as much.

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The REAL reason FUFrank

The REAL reason FUFrank talked about Ron's rude supporters is because we were (and for GOOD reason) rude to HIM. Ron has few rude supporters, but ones who aren't, will still be rude to HIM. I mean, talk about RUDE..he did very manipulative things to Ron last time. He seems to have toned down, maybe even changed his tune, but he is also a manipulating money grubbing charlatan.
If he came on here, probably everyone who is colored blue would be rude. I want to be rude just thinking about him.

my contribution to this

...is here:

http://www.dailypaul.com/196291/for-me-its-personal

(That's in addition to others' explanations, not in place of them.)

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If they REALLY want to support Ron Paul

They should emulate his character. He's passionate without being rude, well read and uses parables to explain difficult issues. i depise the amount of rude comments and threats i see on message boards by so called ron paul supporters.

Emulate his character. Grow up. Stop being so childish and insulting at everyone that disagrees. As Ron Paul says we should create change through persuasion

And Be A...

....POWER of EXAMPLE!

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in every news/comment section there is at least one person

who says "Id never vote for Ron Paul because of his supporters." Thats like saying you'd never go to rehab because Lindsay Lohan types do. Those people who honestly think that way tend to vote style over substance anyway.

There are

There are a lot of fence sitters out there, even though they may start out rude, are still willing to listen.

Rude is rude. Enthusiasm is enthusiasm. Stay with the issues and ask them how they would handle it.

lol I hear a lot about "peace" and then at the end it is "bomb" the heck out of (whoever). Peace and pacifist are also not synonymous.

BTW I have had some great ideas out there and great links. Supporters never seem to amaze me, but then I am one.

It isn't about pc, it's about opening people's minds.

mickey45

meant

meant to say "heard" great ideas.

mickey45

Here is the 100% definitive

Here is the 100% definitive and undeniable answer...

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Rude?

It's beyond rude to advocate the murder of brown people all over the world for no good reason. It's beyond rude to blindly support policies that destroy our civil liberties or encourage government violence against its citizens. It's beyond rude to ignorantly push for or defend policies that will destroy our economy.

Rude? What should we say to a victim of one of our necessary wars? "Sorry I wasn't more forceful but I didn't want to be rude to the guy advocating invading your country, killing your people, and exploiting your resources." Every unnecessary death caused by our government falls directly on the shoulders of every American regardless of whether or not they would like to think so.

The Constitution prescribes a solution to the problem we have today and it is a lot more radical than forceful conversation. The founding fathers went to war over far less than we deal with today. Don't apologize to anyone for me. They should thank me for being so understanding.

I do understand your point. We need to get Ron Paul elected and you can't convert people by being rude. However, your reasons are what I took issue with. Every American should be outraged.

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

Too mother f$#@en shay

well said

It's now or never...time to hit the streets and spread the truth!

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Don't discount "agents provocateurs"

I became convinced during the 2008 campaign that a good percentage of the hooliganism associated with Ron Paul campaign events came from plants from the Romney campaign and/or the Obama campaign. I went to several local events, and I never, ever saw anyone from our area misbehave.

The Ron Paul supporters I knew were the same kind of people who went to Tea Party events. Decent, law-abiding, kind, and neat (i.e. they didn't even litter.)

I think a lot of these masked thugs were probably funded and organized by the same people who sent the fake "racists" to infiltrate Tea Party events in 2009.

"Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid." - Ronald Reagan

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cowards

ask them to meet up to discuss differences and they go offline

I think it' true that some

I think it' true that some supporters are too rude to average people out there. On the other hand, the MSM can prop up a loser like Dick Morris who lives to spew outright lies and name calling when ever he can open his fat mouth and nobody right or left in the MSM never says anything about that. Nobody. I contend for people like that, we're not nearly nasty enough. Furthermore, if you haven't noticed, we're gaining in the polls so I suspect the MSM just want us to shut up as opposed to merely being rude.

It's not a subject that can't

It's not a subject that can't or shouldn't be discussed, but in my opinion it plays to much to the disposition of many of those whose frame of mind we are fighting against.
If to use an absolute at all, there are "rude" people everywhere.
I would add that ones interpretation of "rude" is quite subjective.

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there is bully behavior on this site

I think of them as white blood cells that attack first, and may not ask questions later.
I have not been on any other site that is as emotionally charged as this one. There are some really considerate and thoughtful people who take a beating on this page for not taking the "acceptable" position on Ron Paul or for not "getting along". I am not easily intimidated, so some of the most passionate on this site I find amusing, but there are others who are quite hesitant to defend themselves because of the personal nature of the attacks thrown at them for speaking their mind.

Its true

People who are just starting to learn and open their minds spend time here. Its hardly setting a good example by putting down their lack of knowledge, criticizing different views or immediately calling them a troll from another campaign when they say something different.

Dr. Paul teaches us to be tolerant to anyone who wants to learn or engage regardless of their beliefs because freedom and liberty being people together and should never be used to divide. If so we face the challenge of becoming the very thing we fight, a collectivist machine that includes some but rejects others.

"You attract more bees with honey than vinegar."

For peace and freedom!

hear hear

Let roll into Iowa, do what has to be done then celebrate the fruits of our labor. Because after Iowa, the real heavy lifting begins.

BTW...

Anybody remember Puffy "Vote or DIE!" Combs during the Obama campaign? Nobody bothered to say shit about that but suddenly we need to pc ourselves to the masses? Never in a million years.

PC and Jackass are two different things

If you can support your argument intelligently, there are quite a bit of things that can be said abrasively. I think most of us are referring to bad behavior used in personal attacks that do not help anyone.