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Iowa GOP Moving Vote-Count to Secret Location

Iowa GOP moving vote-count to 'undisclosed location'

The state party has not yet told the campaigns exactly where the returns will be added up, only that it will be off-site from the Iowa GOP's Des Moines headquarters.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2011/12/iowa-go...




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FOLLOW THEM TO THE SECRET LOCATION!!!!

This is totally unconstitutional!!! Follow them!!! Don't let them out of your sight Patriots!!! They WILL NOT getaway with this, NOT on our watch!!! >:-1

Very Scary...

I hope the campaigns are keeping a watchful eye on this

~Justice~

I think the

Count should have a live uninterrupted feed on the internet and when you vote you should get a receipt for who you voted for.

1800 or 813???

Ok, so I just took a closer look at the spreadsheet that I put up a while back:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmQfdopfqDhqdDl...

Many precincts will be voting at the same physical location. There are 813 physical locations.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmQfdopfqDhqdFp...

Please! Correct me if I am wrong! This is much better than 1800.

I plotted that last spreadsheet to a map:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=213066203928700530488.00...

Somebody should be there when it goes down....

But what's most important is to have people in all 99 counties stay after the vote is counted and take pictures of the tally sheets for all counties and upload them to the facebook page of that watchthevote2012.com website...

Thanks

LEW ROCKWELL's article on how the GOP can steal the nomination

away from an anti-establishment candidate:

http://lewrockwell.com/rep2/how-to-steal-gop-nomination.html

Read the above article!!

I am upset that the GOP is SO STRONGLY AGAINST the principles of our republic, yet they holler and yell how much they are FOR the Constitution. HYPOCRITS, ALL OF THEM....

JERKS, well they'll all be crying when the economy crashes into the abyss, along with their multi-million dollar mansions! I mean, are they going to bleed us to death across all these states, ONLY to steal the nomination from us??

That was a great article

by Lew (as usual), and insightful as well.

While it doesn't appear that it would "seal the deal" for RP (due to the rule changes and some of the options the GOP establishment has left itself), it may help (?) to keep Gingrich or Santorum or anyone else that has missed filing deadlines off the ballots they are fighting to get on, like in Va. for example.

Again, it doesn't necessarily seal the deal, but it couldn't hurt to keep the filed thin. The whole thing is "fixed" to keep someone like RP out anyway.

"Surprise"!

"For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged, by better information or fuller consideration, to change opinions, even on important subjects, which I once thought right but found to be otherwise." - Benjamin Franklin

Ahhh, now it all makes sense

Ahhh, now it all makes sense .... Always hearing MSM folks say "He's not going to get the nomination" about Ron Paul without saying anything else, no facts behind that statement, no sound logic as to why, just "He's not going to get the nomination" .... well they must have known that if their ignoring and smearing tactics didn't work that the GOP insiders well eventually resort to fraud to make sure he won't get the nomination.

It would be interesting to

It would be interesting to see some Ron Paul supporters (or anyone interested) volunteer to do some exit-polling.

I'd be interested to see what the difference between the exit-poll and the rigged actual would be.

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I just saw the Iowa GOP chairman Matthew Strawn interviewed

I just saw the Iowa GOP chairman Matthew Strawn interviewed by Megan Kelley on Fix News, and Megan did make it a point to bring up the secret location issue and he did mention that there will be one official from each campaign at the secret location able to watch the tabulation there. I'm not sure how comforting that is but I thought i'd mention it here.

I hope Ron Paul's campaign picks out a serious eagle eye to be that person at the secret location to watch that count process.

Not directly related issue, but mentions 'Occupy'.

These links are about the 'uncommitted' issue and 'Occupy'.

Undecided should vote for Ron Paul, IMO.

'Still, the occupy group is encouraging Iowans displeased with the president and presidential candidates to decide with an undecided vote.'

Occupy Cedar Valley Plans "Occupy Iowa Caucuses" Movement
http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/Occupy-Cedar-Valley-Plans-Occ...

Iowa GOP Seeks to Suppress Occupy's Push for 'Uncommitted' Caucus Voting December 27, 2011 - 11:24am ET

http://www.thenation.com/blog/165356/iowa-gop-seeks-suppress...

I found this in the comments at previously posted link which is about the undisclosed location:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/12/28/1049378/-Iowa-Repub...

Alot of anti-Ron Paul stuff being posted on Iowa GOP facebook

Please people, go to the page and make a post for RP...they need to know we're watching them.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Republican-Party-of-Iowa/23084...

This has to be kept an eye on.

If poor precedent is allowed to happen there in Iowa, it will be that much easier for other states to push their "plan", whatever it may be.

Conversely, I believe if this situation is dealt with effectively with the first state, it will be more difficult for other states to justify following a poor precedent, IDK.

What do you believe?

"For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged, by better information or fuller consideration, to change opinions, even on important subjects, which I once thought right but found to be otherwise." - Benjamin Franklin

WatchTheVote2012

There is a group, 2 actually, that will be watching this. The first will be at the polls (Iowans), the 2nd at their computers (nationwide). At the end, those at the polls contact those at their computers with the tallies. They will then be made public. If there is a discrepancy, it will blow up in their faces. For more information please visit: http://www.watchthevote2012.com/

From the link here, you can ask to join either of the 2 groups to help out. They need a total of 99 for the County Leaders (nationwide) and at least 1,784 Iowans to have 1 at each caucus. http://www.facebook.com/groups/watchthevote2012/

If you know anyone from Iowa who might be interested, please get them this info. Time is short! Everything must be totally in place and functional before the Jan. 3rd caucuses.

Oh, I'll be watching

from here in Ohio, you can bank on that. Ohio has had its share of election fraud and I trust no insiders to be honest. Especially with RP and his supporters/voters.

Thanks for the info.

"For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged, by better information or fuller consideration, to change opinions, even on important subjects, which I once thought right but found to be otherwise." - Benjamin Franklin

Can you make it an Iowa caucus

Is there a chance that you could really watch, from a caucus nearest you? They are in need of a bunch of vote monitors on-site: https://www.facebook.com/groups/VoteMonitorVolunteersforWatc...

I am a County leader due to being in Idaho, but anyone who is in, or close to, Iowa is encouraged to make the drive and actually watch the goings on, take a photo of the tally board and send in the results. Need lots more. You're the guy, right? Only one night.

Yes, actually.

I'm on it.

"For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged, by better information or fuller consideration, to change opinions, even on important subjects, which I once thought right but found to be otherwise." - Benjamin Franklin

Some information

I understand that the Iowa GOP will be using Google cloud technology for precinct reporting, Furthermore, I understand that there will be a publicly available Google page for reporting these results.

Can someone speak to this technological element who understands it better than I? How might this change our tactics in ensuring a fair and transparent caucus?

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Call in the oathkeepers

See if they can keep security on the ballots at each precinct and counted before ballots are transported.

Who has contacted the Iowa Ron Paul headquarters?

What is the official campaign's statement on this?

Michael Nystrom, can you contact someone & tell us what's going on, who can help us in Iowa?

I know someone named Jim Condit has set up some website but it's completely disorganized. He's in Ohio, not Iowa, and wants things sent to an email. I don't trust that setup.

Lawyers, campaigners, somebody in Iowa, please help!

I sent email but there's no live person available at the headquarters phone number. Anyone know the Iowa phone number to call??

Here's a Phone #

If you live in Iowa and want to help out, please call the Ankeny office at: 515-657-6924

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

I needed that laugh!

Good post!

Fresno, CA

This headline has "FRAUD" written.

All over it.

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Kos: secret location - "a ploy to steal the vote from Paul."

Wed Dec 28, 2011 at 07:17 AM PST
Iowa Republicans to count caucus votes in 'undisclosed location'
by Laura ClawsonFollow

"But given the way the establishment has been fretting over the possibility that a Ron Paul victory might discredit the Iowa caucuses as the divinely ordained first contest of the presidential primaries, look for some concerns that this is a ploy to steal the vote from Paul."
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/12/28/1049378/-Iowa-Repub...

1800 people

Its a tall order. One person at each location.

I've made a spreadsheet of all the locations alphabetized by city. Its a CSV for max compatibility. I hope someone can use it:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmQfdopfqDhqdDl...

THANKS! I CAN use it-

Thanks a lot! Got it saved and ready to use on the 3rd! Don't know what County I have yet, but when I do...BINGO!

Rounds out.

ALL COUNTIES SHOULD HAVE THEIR OWN TABULATION TOTALS

AND..........THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE IN THE END.

The idea that that BEVERLY at the Iowa GOP I talked to denied there was a "secret location" to me on the phone, then, someone here sees Megyn Kelley interview & CONFIRM there is a secret location per Matthew Strawn, is absolutely disgusting.

I AM LIVID..........WHAT REASON DO THEY HAVE FOR GOING TO A SECRET LOCATION.

WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE INSPECTING EACH VEHICLE THAT LEAVES A PRECINCT.....BEFORE THEY LOAD UP THE BALLOTS........I DON'T TRUST WHAT THEY WILL HAVE INSIDE THOSE VEHICLES!!!

ALERT..........ALERT...........ALERT.........MUST HAVE CAMPAIGN HEADQUARTERS alerted to have EACH & EVERY VEHICLE INSPECTED PRIOR TO LOADING UP BALLOTS.

ALL BALLOTS MUST BE COUNTED AT EACH PRECINCT~~~~BEFORE~~~BEING LOADED UP~~~WE SHOULD INSIST A CAMPAIGN REPRESENTATIVE ACCOMPANY EACH VEHICLE & WATCH & VIDEO TAPE THIS PROCESS FROM BEGINNING TO END.

And publicize them live!


The issue is not so much "what they will have inside those vehicles", the real issue is simply an easily tamperable central tabulation system (where the "official results" are then announced).

That's why they want to do this in a secret undisclosed location. After some numbers are crunched and the trends are determined, it is very easy to just reverse or flip around a few numbers to ensure that the desired candidate comes out on top, and also that someone who they don't like has some of their votes improperly tabluated or redirected at some other candidate like a Rick Santorum -- who will not win, but it would make a great story line if Santorum finished in a "surprise 2nd-place", and Ron Paul is pushed back to 3rd.

All the real rigging and real crime happens right there at the central tabulation site which is why secrecy is sought.

The ballot issue, is more just a way of covering their tracks afterwards. Statewide recounts are never, ever actually done (even if someone brings a lawsuit). All they do after-the-fact (stolen election) is pick some small "representative sample" and always conclude no big problems were proven.

FYI: the only time an actual full and complete statewide recount was ever done was during the Al Franken-Norm Coleman election -- and even that took 9 months to overturn. So there is no way to win here.

The only protection is to have "spotters" who find out what each and every precinct total is, and then publicize those numbers in real-time on the Web, through tweets, in the Media (if possible), and prove in advance that the numbers show Ron Paul should get XXX total statewide votes and no less.