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The next time I read a blog and I hear Ron Paul supporters defend against people by calling them a liberal I will throw up

Terms divide people, we have to be smarter than this. I even hear people in the campaign say liberals this, liberals that. When you use the term liberal to defend Ron Paul, you create an enemy, they hear nothing else after you call them a liberal. When you label someone a liberal, it means you are against everything they believe in their mind, it means you are shut off, you are done because you attacked all of their views on things, even the ones they agree with us on. Do you dislike liberals, or just dislike some of their positions? I hope just some of their positions, enlighten them on the issues instead of sticking them into the enemy category. Liberal should be a term we never use in my opinion. When you say liberal to someone who is one and use that word to defend your positions, you might as well build a wall. How about fellow American, with differing view points? We should not use the words they invented to divide us.




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What Does "Liberal" Even Mean?

To me, Dr. Paul is pretty liberal. By that I mean that he's socially liberal. But it's crucially important to me that he's fiscally conservative too. That's how I'd describe him in a nutshell. That and a "constitutionalist".

after i meet even one self admitted liberal that hates being

called a liberal, i will begin considering your post more seriously. thus far from the dozens of comments i read every day on articles i come across, not one person has reiterated similar sentiments. seems like you are the only one who has a problem with the term, including liberals/progressives themselves.

I don't have a problem with the term liberal

yes some people are happy being called that, that is exactly my point. When Ron Paul supporters say it is liberals at it again attacking Ron Paul as being a racist, we just turned every liberal against us, because we used a term that said their team is against our team, all of them, liberals. Read my post again and understand my jist. Keep up the great work jstellar, you always throw a hard bargain, which is good, I am on my toes now.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

Endorsed

100%

I'll attack the next Ron Paul supporter failing to follow this line without hesitation :)

truth liberate

Here is a post defending Ron Paul from an article about his so

called racist writings, just to reinforce what I am saying with this post...

I'm a liberal looking forward to voting for Ron Paul in 2012, wanted to in 2008 also. I know 8 other liberals that are ready and willing to vote for Dr Paul. However, if Ron Paul isn't nominated I'll hold my nose and vote for Obama. I don't want to live in Bachmann,Perry,Santorum or Newts plan for an even more extreme police state than the Bush/Obama agenda. Romney is a coward who changes his views depending on who is talking to at the time.

Voting country over party and Ron Paul has a 30 year track record of defending freedom.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

Nothing wrong with being a liberal

What's bad is being called a NEOliberal, just like nothing wrong with being a conservative, it's NEOconservative, or Neocon, that's said meant as an insult. The Neos, the folks who have no party loyalty, but switch back and forth until they win an election.

Ron Paul was vetted in the Libertarian Party, but he's always been on the right and never considered being in the left. Allot of people on the left are there because they are so offended by the NEOcons, who came from the left.

When Stalin took office he went communist. The first people he put in the Gulags were the socialists, the people who put him in office. Bush betrayed conservatives. Obama is betraying liberals. To say LIBERAL is to say, YOU'VE BEEN BETRAYED BY OBAMA.

To say liberal is the way they have painted the term liberal

all of these years, to say liberal means you are against the conservatives, not neocons, but conservatives. It creates an enemy a division is what I am saying Granger. I always appreciate all you do, keep up the great work!!!!

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

Well said, as far as the point goes

But I have to disagree in some small regard - the term liberal is actually not a bad thing, despite its connotation. I believe Paul even defending classical liberalism in Liberty Defined, if I recall.

Now, as to Paul supporters insulting, belittling, generalizing, or doing anything other such stupid thing to people they're disagreeing with - are you kidding me? People post about this here all the time; others post saying it's merely agent provocateurs, and then other long-term members come and talk about how feisty they get and how vociferously they defend Paul.

MANNERS COUNT. SUCK IT UP AND TAKE THE HIGH ROAD. We CANNOT afford to be our own worst enemies. These are public forums, here there & anywhere, and everyone can see it. We can't just say it's people trying to make us look bad and point to some good examples, with any honesty. Everyone needs to take it to heart and represent Paul in a way he would WANT to be represented, and that will actually help us WIN.

Does anyone truly think screaming matches, name-calling, or scoring political points will help with that in ANY way?

Praetorius

They attach the term liberal to media,politics,etc., etc.. What I am saying is, I see people on blogs say the liberal media is attacking Ron Paul as being a racist, the liberals are ruining the country, the liberals want to do this and that, they are destroying everything. There are people who identify themselves as liberals, liberals are enemies of neoconservatives that own the media. Liberals are not enemies of true conservatives, they have many viewpoints which don't fit ours and it is better not to call them out as a liberal, meaning they are bad,bad,bad to us conservatives. That is my point, I hope you see what I am saying. Keep up the great work!!!!

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

I can definitely agree with all that.

My apologies - I've grown very tired of the counter-productivity I've seen growing in the ranks for quite awhile (although I know it's borne of fervor and excitement, it does us no good!), so I tend to rail off on it when I get started.

I agree with what you say, though, and we all need to realize that when we get involved with that, we are merely reinforcing paradigms, duopoly, and the divide-and-conquer strategies that pretty much got us where we are now.

Sure, we'll see people as individuals, but then we'll gladly lump them into some preconceived mold or classification.

So let's clarify this: we've got enemies AND friends on all sides, in all groups, and some of them don't even know it yet. It's up to us to find the friends and bring them to the cause, and we can't do that by treating them like enemies just because they don't know any better yet.

Thanks, tog. I'm very tired, BTW, so I apologize in advance if I'm getting hard to follow already. Bit fuzzy, heh.

You all thought this was a negative post

didn't you?

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

Not really because we have heard it before

LOL.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

I know, I have posted something like this before

and I cannot believe you remember, but I am glad you are on our side. I just continually see it on blogs, so I feel it never gets old. I believe our word usage should be used carefully and away from the labels the mainstream media uses.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

Absolutely tog

Having my own website I fully understand the impact of SEO keywords or descriptions.That is why I get upset when folks post really stupid headlines like "When is it OK to kill a cop?".Just plain stupid and much more positive headlines need to be shared such as yours my friend.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

We need to befriend liberals

not scare them away by saying we are against them, I am glad you get what I am saying. Liberal media is the same as so called conservative media, the conservative media is not calling themselves neoconservative media, when they do that, then maybe we can start using the word liberal media, etc. Keep up the great work!!!!

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!