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Breaking: ABC Reports on NDAA and Ron Paul - The comments are amazing

ABC NEWS has just put up on its front page that Obama has signed into LAW for the INDEFINITE DETENTION OF AMERICANS and reports that the only Republican Presidential candidate, Ron Paul stood against it.

Check out the comment section....alot of these people are not Ron Paul supporters either...and they are FREAKING OUT!

"In his last official act of business in 2011, President Barack Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act from his vacation rental in Kailua, Hawaii. In a statement, the president said he did so with reservations about key provisions in the law — including a controversial component that would allow the military to indefinitely detain terror suspects, including American citizens arrested in the United States, without charge.

The legislation has drawn severe criticism from civil liberties groups, many Democrats, along with Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul, who called it “a slip into tyranny.” Recently two retired four-star Marine generals called on the president to veto the bill in a New York Times op-ed, deeming it “misguided and unnecessary.”

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Most of our elected officials

Most of our elected officials seem to be fans of a police state.

History Repeats Itself

Substitute "communists" for "terrorists", and we are transported back to the 1950s Cold War demagoguery. The only thing missing from our current Chicken Little panic is a prominent Joseph McCarthy opportunist.

I disagree with the Joseph

I disagree with the Joseph McCarthy reference. McCarthy was actually pointing out people like Obama who were at that time communists in our government. Much like the ones who have infiltrated the republican party today.


Look at the field of GOP candidates. You think there aren't some "Joseph McCarthy opportunists" there?

Except for one candidate, of course

See Alex's Video Below for Obama lies about NDAA

Everyone needs to see it and pass it along for others to see.


I am a democrat and I bought

A shotgun, ammo and gas make this month. I would rather die than to be detained for any tyranical reason.

was a Democrat

Please make that "was a Democrat".
Please change to Republican for the next few months to help change.

You are a smart person. More

You are a smart person. More and more Americans are wising up.

Bill worse than SOPA and

Bill worse than SOPA and NDAA

it's on the front page of reddit, i thought it was my duty to spread the word:

the bill allows the government to strip away citizenship of anyone partaking in hostilities against the united states, this can include protests like the Occupy movement. We NEED Dr. Paul to spread awareness of this bill

The Enemy Expatriation Act: H.R. 3166

we need to get these people OUT of congress...

RP R3VOLution

It is only Referred to

It is only Referred to Committee Oct 12, 2011. it looks like it was abandoned. don't worry about it yet. start worrying when it goes to voting

Really looks like they are pulling out all the stops now.

...It's headlong into global tyranny if these degenerates have their way with all of us.

They absolutely miscalculated. They are not going to get what they hope to get.

They have no idea how many people know about what is going on.
All the spying and data bases and criminal legislation they put so much effort and energy into will not help them in their war against humanity.

It will only make it easier for us to identify the criminals and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.

RON2012PAUL...The r3VOLution continues...
"I always win"
+GOLD and SILVER are money+

Tom, I checked this out and I

Tom, I checked this out and I am saddened and ashamed that one of my(PA) representatives sponsored this utter garbage. You should make a thread about this; everybody needs to learn about H.R. 3166 Enemy Expatriation Act. Like one of the commenters on reddit said that this it to close any potential loopholes in NDAA, making it easy to indefinitely detain American citizens, which buy this bill they would no longer be American citizens.

..."a SLIP into tyranny"???

STOP apologizing for these criminals as if it were some accident!!!

This is another CALCULATED STEP forward for these degenerate sacks of human garbage.

THIS is exactly how they operate.

Incremental and deliberate actions hidden right before our eyes by duplicity and lies.

RON2012PAUL...The r3VOLution continues...
"I always win"
+GOLD and SILVER are money+

Ron Paul is the only Republican Candidate candidate

that stood against it then Ron Paul should be the only candidate that gets the vote in 2012.

Wow...that's a no brainer, eh?

[And I don't for the life of me think he signed this bill with reservations...unless they mean reservations for the rental in Hawaii for his next taxpayer funded vacation.]

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

Can anyone find out more

Can anyone find out more about Obama's support of NDAA? I read somewhere - can't remember where! - that it was the Obama Administration who wanted to ensure that American Citizens were INCLUDED.

Edit: thanks, 7mai - saw your link below

Working for US policy in the mideast that serves AMERICA's interests http://www.councilforthenationalinterest.org/

Wear a liberal hat and comment at HuffPo to get through

Comment on there, posing as a deluded liberal, and make comments along these lines:

"Grrrrr....I'm so flaming mad at Obama now for this. He's just handed over the elections to the blasted GOP (insults to the GOP will probably get posted right away). I want a Dem primary now more than ever. I'm sick to my stomache that I will have no choice besides Obama this year.(threw up in my mouth writing that) I'm seriously considering crossing over and voting for the old kook otherwise those warmongers are gonna get some homophobe like Perry to run against Obama."

You're going to have to sound like a liberal to get your comment through. I don't like the idea of calling Paul an old kook just to get a post through over there but they would all know who I was talking about. This has the potential to further the Blue Republican movement but we are going to have to get in one way or another.


Ron Paul

Ron Paul is a little on the high stung side but I would be also if no one at all listened me. he is not a warmonger he is the only candidate that wants ALL of the troops home. he is the only candidate that has spoken against NDAA bill and voted against it. he is the only candidate that knows we can't afford foreign aid while our economy is bad.he is against the government spending they way it is. my opinion he is the only candidate that CARES. there are things I don't like about him but there are more things I don't like about all the others and Obama, and I WAS a democrat

I post there all the time without having to pretend

Some comments are restricted but the majority are not. I don't think pretending is worth it just post honestly people need to see the presence of real people and they can always see how long you've been posting, just like on dailypaul.

You can search for me as Temporalist there too and you'll see I have high votes on many of the Ron Paul articles.

I have been fighting there for years.

If anyone wants to friend me there please do.

History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.
Dwight D. Eisenhower

to my knowledge

Obama specifically asked for the "american citizens" part to be introduced in the Bill threatening to veto it if it wasn't.
Basically the Reps wanted their contract money, the Democrats your civil liberties.

If you're not a minority, and you're not absolutely dirt poor, start worrying americans.
As seen in the DHS ads, the white Al-Qaeda is their next target.


thx, that's what I thought

thx, that's what I thought too

Working for US policy in the mideast that serves AMERICA's interests http://www.councilforthenationalinterest.org/

source? I'd like to be able

source? I'd like to be able to use that if there are reliable sources talking about Obama's hesitancy.

here you go



According to Levin, who is Chairman of the Armed Services Committee: "The language which precluded the application of Section 1031 to American citizens was in the bill that we originally approved ... and the administration asked us to remove the language which says that U.S. citizens and lawful residents would not be subject to this section."

Levin continued: "It was the administration that asked us to remove the very language which we had in the bill which passed the committee … we removed it at the request of the administration. It was the administration which asked us to remove the very language the absence of which is now objected to.”

you'd have to get the transcripts of the mail between the cabinet and the Committee, but knowing how Obama is a communist who's been groomed by the Frankfurt School marxists in Chicago....


Why is everyone

blaming Obama, not that he didn't want it,the congress sent it to him, they're just as much to blame and should be voted out.

Montanans Launch Recall Of US Congressional Delegation NDAA


Part of Oath Keepers' effort ... See page 2 of this thread for more information

Bipartisian cuts Wow

Hey we should be proud the repulicrats finally got together and cut something!!!

The 4th amendment. Can't wait till they start to encourage us to turn in our neighbors.

No one has deputized America to play Wyatt Earp to the world.
-Pat Buchanan

Don't be depressed there is still hope, and not obama hope.

Please check out my video, I am not here to waste your time.I am here to inform you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CyFIIAjSPw

Truth is the virus that people fear the most because it's reality.

welcome to the new and

welcome to the new and improved Inquisition!!

hope for the best

The timing

Not only did he sign it new year's eve (and while on vacation) but he knows the GOP vote in Iowa will dominate the news right after the new year's coverage. Plus people will be watching a lot of sports as well.

The timing of this is really frightening when you think about it. It seems obvious how planned this was. When we comment on MSM articles about NDAA we should probably mention to people to come to dailypaul so they can learn more about Dr. Paul and allay any fears they might have about voting for him.

Spelling error

Sorry to nitpick: in the phrase "the INDEFINATE DETENTION OF AMERICANS", the 2nd word is "indefinite," not "indefinate". Also the MSM coverage of this has been intentionally misleading - Obomber's "reservations" about signing it weren't the result of some new-found civil libertarianism. In fact, the opposite was true; he was threatening to veto it because it wasn't broad enough, and it didn't give the executive enough ridiculous detention powers. It should be shocking that the lefty MSM is so eager to act as apologists for Obama's most illiberal, fascistic, neo-con Republican policies, but at this point, I would be more shocked if they reported on this even slightly honestly. They've finally marginalized the view that the 4th amendment should mean anything by making the opposing view bipartisan, and anyone who supports habeas corpus rights is now crazy, outside the mainstream, "to the left" of the dems, etc.