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I am being politically persecuted and need to move to a new state

I am not going to get into detail, but suffice it to say that I have been a pretty loud political activist the last few years and the government has started not liking me back. For several reasons, I need to relocate to a new state.

I need a place that is 420 friendly, gun friendly, homeschool friendly. I need a spot with an active group of Ron Paul supporters. Rural area, not too distant from a population center (within an hour). I want to buy some land and, you know the drill.

I should do okay with a couple of work at home projects as long as my business back home holds up. If I needed to move the business I could do it, to the right place, of course. Almost any college town will do.

Arizona looks promising so far. Any suggestions?

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New Hampshire

google: Free state project


CO is defiantly (not a spelling error) 420 friendly.

I live in Clear Creek County, if your neighbors are not asses the county leaves you alone and it is all rural.

Any other liberty minded people are welcome here as well. Would love to start a movement where libertarians rather than liberal Californians move here.

Santa rosa, California.

Santa rosa, California. Google it and the surrounding areas... Russian river, Sebastopol, occidental, etc. Santa rosa is rural/city

Come to Oregon

Oregon recognizes medical cannabis via the Oregon Medical Marijuana Program (OMMP). Oregon is good on gun rights being strong 2nd amendment, a has strong homeschooling communities.

The Rogue Valley is in the south close to California and the Pacific coast, but you have other options like Eugene and Bend also.

Not so fast...

Just received a list of new proposed legislation in the recently re-convened, and, unfortunately, democrat majority legislature...very restrictive gun bill, agenda 21 compliant land use regs (ie: along all major waterways) and changes in the way they can raise taxes on many fronts with a simple vs. 2/3 majority...If you would like links, let me know your email and I'll forward...this is not a done deal, but we have our work cut out or us in OR.


Both Oregon and Washington have the same problem,

The Western side of the state population is predominately people that want to control what others do, (for the sake of the "children", the "environment" Or???) Sadly, they are in the majority.
The Eastern side of both states population is more conservative/liberty minded. We KNOW we are capable of making our own decisions and we understand what over regulation has done to our economy.
Yes, we have our work cut out for us----and we have some smart committed people working together from both sides of the state!

My husband is being persecuted

at work, I make sure he brings his Ron Paul coffee mug to work, his lunch bag is covered in ron paul stickers, his notebook is also covered in stickers, car is also. But alas, we are in CT. His coworkers constantly make fun of him.
Me, I wear a ron paul hoodie EVERY day (have 6 of them) and never get any feedback. CT just sucks. We want out of here as well.

Colchester, New London County, Connecticut

The Constitution State

How ironic. Connecticut -- The Constitution State.

I lived in CT. Hated it. Moved to VT and thought I was in heaven. But CT sucked probably because it was next to NY -- the empire state -- another lousy state.

Liberty Hill, Texas

or Kalispell Montanna

Hi HonorGod, isnt Liberty Hill in Will. Co.?

Williamson County is home to one of the notoriously nasty Law Enforcement agencies when it comes to busting people who smoke pot. If you're going to go as far as Liberty Hill, you might as well come to Austin...pot is illegal, but Austin is known for its huge pot culture and it is everywhere...good pot too. It has a good amount of Libertarians, but that can't keep up with the liberal democrats that UT is pumping out, so you have to get used to that.
But what I have head about Liberty hill is that they have an awesome tactical gun range... I want to check it out! :)

I'd rather have a bottle in front o' me than a frontal lobotomy

Great new Church

Going down in Kalispell also...

Liberty Fellowship.. 8)

Keep up the Good Fight

Stay where you are. Don't leave. By doing so, you are giving them the victory.

Idaho, Boise!

Idaho, Boise!

There is no Left or Right -- there is only freedom or tyranny. Everything else is an illusion, an obfuscation to keep you confused and silent as the world burns around you." - Philip Brennan

"Invest only in things that you can stand in front of and pr

Are you kidding? NOT Idaho!

They specifically said "420 friendly" and Idaho is not, not even close. Furthermore, the Boise police are rather famous for being jack-booted thugs, and their style is spreading around the state.
If you want to live in the stix, you can far enough away in Idaho to pretty much self govern, but if you need to be in a city, do NOT move to Boise. I can't believe anyone suggested that.

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

Go west young man

West is the best. You need Montana, Washington or Oregon. Montana is a little more cold an secluded and Oregon has a big crop of crazy libs you can convert.

yt = classicalliberalism

Patriotic Senex

My best bet would be Ann

My best bet would be Ann Arbor Michigan. Good luck.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
-- Jean Luc Picard

I'm in the same boat as you.

I'm in the same boat as you. AZ is great but has been Kalifornicated. I've lived in PHX, N. AZ. and the Western desert of this great state, and the police, for the most part, have been collectivist control freaks. Yes, you can carry a gun here, most anyplace, open or concealed without a permit. And yes the weather here is great (except where I live in the summer, it's Death Valley hot!)

My protesting days and activist days are over. I'm going to selfishly focus on me and my wife and leave this godforsaken country if RP doesn't win. Call me a quitter, or a coward all you want, but I'm getting tired of fighting when most everyone else sits on their lazy ass!!!

Here's my latest arrest...


Here's my notice of claim...


A little over 2 years ago I had a similar incident that resulted in me being convicted on two counts of disorderly conduct, after a two day jury trial. Here's what the appellate courts recently said about that...

http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?xmldoc=In AZCO 20111222028.xml&docbase=CSLWAR3-2007-CURR

Take my advice about activism with a grain of salt, but be very careful about being the newbie in town with ideas about exposing the corruption. I've been in court almost every month since I moved here 7 years ago.

I'm also thinking about getting some land in Kingman to ride out the shit storm most likely coming our way. (bug out location if I get stuck behind "enemy" lines. Lots of gun loving anti-big gubermint types up there)

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown


I'll go and suggest Montana..

"I have found that being rich is not about having the most but about needing the least"

Oklahoma fits the bill...

except for the 420 friendly part...and that is only if you are talking about the "law". I am 39 and have never had any 420 problems and the only people I know of that have had them were being beyond stupid. With land and good neighbors...420 is never known and never transported. Think I'll go test my theory out now....thanks to my four wheeler and my not being an asshole and not judging those that live around me. :O)

While I support your right to "smoke out,"

don't be deceived into thinking that your choice to do this doesn't hurt your cause for Paul.

But then again... I don't know your situation. So take my advice with a grain of salt. :-)

"He did not come into the world to condemn it, but to save it." - John 3:17

"Well, you know it's like I always say 'it ain't government work if you don't have to do it twice.'" - Jerry Gergich


please explain how partaking of an herb placed here by the powers of God, for all creatures great and small, hurts the cause for Ron Paul.

I put your grain of salt in the beans I just cooked by the way. ;o)


when I was a neocon (about 6+ years ago) and relatively immature in my faith, I was very legalistic and would right you off if I found out you were a pot-head trying to get me to vote for your candidate.

Also, you don't have to be insulting. We're all brothers here. I am just trying to point out that we have to be sensitive to the neocons that we're trying to win over.

Please tell me, why would you actively start a battle that will completely polarize your entire message to certain folks, when you can mention many, many other things that they can actually relate with?

But, do what you will...

"He did not come into the world to condemn it, but to save it." - John 3:17

"Well, you know it's like I always say 'it ain't government work if you don't have to do it twice.'" - Jerry Gergich

Hey, jeffrey......

YOU are the one who started "the battle", though it is a bit of an aggrandizement to call it a battle. Your little Puritan swipe at Dale wasn't much more than the annoyance of a buzzing fly. My guess is that you're not really in a league to do battle with Dale.

And since when do we have to be sensitive, and pander to neo-cons, for heaven's sake? If they can't find their way here for the right reasons, then it's their loss.

Hi, my name is Useless Argument,

nice to meet you. How long did it take you to find me? Am I exactly what you were looking for? I hope so. :-)

"He did not come into the world to condemn it, but to save it." - John 3:17

"Well, you know it's like I always say 'it ain't government work if you don't have to do it twice.'" - Jerry Gergich

Sounds like you need to shake the neocon out of your underware

So..if a candidate supports freedom for everyone, and that includes smoking a perfectly natural substance that grows in ditches...then I should avoid that by any means?

What is your important issue? I bet there is a group that I can bring up that would be against it. Marijuana is not "polarizing"..in fact a majority of Americans believe it should be de-criminalized if not legalized. The minority are the neo-cons that you hang out with. If smoking a little doobage for medicinal reasons, or just for the fuck of it, would make someone vote for more war, debt, and death then so be it.

Do you honestly think that people put hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths and trillions of dollars worth of debt as simply a side note to not having the personal freedom to smoke a joint? If those same neo-con asshats that you hang out with, that probably claim to be against marijuana for "Biblical" reasons actually read their Bible for themselves..then there wouldn't be any issue. The Bible speaks clearly about what God put here and why.

Marijuana is not divisive...if you don't like it then go to the other porch. There are much more important things going on than someone smoking a ditchweed.

Wow dude,

you're angry. I kindly made a suggestion, and even mentioned that my words may not even be accurate to the OP's situation ("...so take my advice with a grain of salt... ;-), and your response is to rip me apart. If all of Paul's were as divisive as you, we'd be a hot mess and we'd be at the bottom right now.

While I am all for back and forth arguing of one's case, I'm not into this nasty name-calling, especially when we're supposedly fighting for the same cause.

And excuse me for having neocon friends... while you hang out with the choir, I'll continue converting others to the cause of liberty.

It's also rather unfortunate that my humble suggestion was down-voted while your angry, divisive remarks are praised...

"He did not come into the world to condemn it, but to save it." - John 3:17

"Well, you know it's like I always say 'it ain't government work if you don't have to do it twice.'" - Jerry Gergich

Yes...I'm very divisive...

IF...me not agreeing with you = Being divisive
WHILE me agreeing with you = Not being divisive

Me = Not Angry...in fact...not angry at all. It's hard to be angry when having herbal medicine in your life. I would take one thing from this conversation. One of us has a chip on their shoulder and loves to thinks that a natural plant and its use is obviously more "divisive" than things such as war and death of hundreds of thousands, not to mention naked scanners and security molestations. It's hard for me to even think about putting marijuana at the forefront of issues that we have in this country. I honestly think that anyone that would consider that issue "polarizing" to be a complete comical hoot. Like a Barney Fife of sort...just goofy beyond belief. Got to love him...but you have to just shake your head most of the time and smile inside.

Or perhaps you should smile on the outside so he doesn't think you are "angry". :O)

No anger here my friend...I feel for you and your kind. I truly do.

One last thing...

I want to be completely honest here...

This entire argument is so stupid. The more I think about it, the more I can't help but realize that there isn't a single Ron Paul supporter that I don't thoroughly get along with and enjoy. I highly, highly, highly doubt that you would be the first, regardless of this tiny little argument.

While I felt that you were condescending, I apologize to you for being so quickly offended. If I'm going to be honest with myself, I need to admit that I really shouldn't be that sensitive to criticism of my comments. And I do.

Anyway, as I said above, there isn't a doubt in mind that I would thoroughly enjoy your company if I were to meet and hang with you. That said, I hope you can excuse my previous 'retaliations,' and I hope that we can admit that fighting for Liberty together is enough of an agreement to over-shadow any distraction such as this.


"He did not come into the world to condemn it, but to save it." - John 3:17

"Well, you know it's like I always say 'it ain't government work if you don't have to do it twice.'" - Jerry Gergich


I don't know if you realize this or not, but making a case for why marijuana is not a polarizing topic for many people, and yet without being a tool about it(!), is a completely possible and reasonable thing to do. But apparently, whether it is arrogance, a childish nature, or whether your personal and relational skills are just that severely limited, even for a grown man, you couldn't disagree with me without laughing at me, calling my friends and family "asshats," and advising me to pull neocons out of my "underware" (which is not even a word, bud).

In fact, I knew that there were most likely some scenarios in which I was wrong and that I just wasn't thinking of them. And that is why I said (and I quote, once again), "But then again... I don't know your situation. So take my advice with a grain of salt." Seriously... it is pretty clear that what I wasn't thinking about was the fact that each of us hang in different circles, therefore I cannot make the universal claim that this topic is 'polarizing.' Did you notice how easy that was? But hey, whatever response you have to give that makes you feel like more of a man, right?


Also, here is the definition for you, according to google: "Divisive: Tending to cause disagreement or hostility between people."
When all that you had to do was point out the flaw (which I friggin' invited!), your natural reaction was to do so in a condescending way.
And, the next time that you think that your actions have been incorrectly labeled, rather than reworking the definition to fit my perceived intentions and using it as a defense, try looking it up to make sure the label doesn't actually fit. Because in this case, the label fits, and your obvious attempt at accusing me of conveniently redefining the word 'divisive' only proves that you have to resort to manipulation to discredit me. Also, here is another helpful hint: try not adding to MY argument in order to help yours (ie. I don't have a problem with marijuana, but somehow I magically developed one in your rebuttal).

Lastly, there is no 'chip' on my shoulder. I simply don't enjoy being insulted and belittled over such a small issue/opinion. I can't even believe, right now, how much time I've wasted arguing with you... But you know what? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt... rather than assume it was arrogance, childishness, or that you are that lacking in the 'relational skills' department, unless otherwise corrected I will assume that you've just forgotten the difference between Call of Duty teamspeak and the DP forums.


"He did not come into the world to condemn it, but to save it." - John 3:17

"Well, you know it's like I always say 'it ain't government work if you don't have to do it twice.'" - Jerry Gergich

New Hampshire