93 votes

6 Delegates EACH Went to 1st, 2nd, & 3rd

Delegate-wise, that's a tie.

Check it out:

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P12/IA-R

You guys can relax - and sleep well.

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People need to realize how this works

Let me us the county I was in last election about 300 to 400 people showed up for our county caucus they voted for a slate of about 150 to 200 we won (over their slate of people) They cried and said if we would give them 40 delegates so our elected officials could go to the state convention they would join with us on our issues. Then we had a district caucus and we chose 3 delegates that would go straight to the national convention (electors) and skip the state process. This is where they stabbed us in the back and swept us and laughed in our face and took the 3 national delegates. When you get to the state convention these 150 to 200 county Delegates vote for a different kind of delegate it is an elector. Our state has 25 total electors (national delegates) they are chosen at the state convention except the district delegates who skip the state convention. Those 25 (minus the district delegates) national delegates vote for the nominee. So see there are more than one kind of delegate county, district (which is actually a national delegate), state, and, national. It looks like they picked a different kind of delegate last night (a precinct delegate). which would be equal to the 150 or 200 delegates we picked at our county caucus. This is my best attempt to understand the process. A state might have 2500 delegates from the county caucus and 15 national delegates from the district caucus but they will keep voting down until they get to the 25 state delegates.

So if you end with 25 national delegates (electors)total in your state

You could win all your district caucuses and have 15 national delegates (electors) before you even have any county caucuses.

So 25 total delegates minus 15 delegates = 10 delegates will come out of that large batch of county delegates 2500 county caucuses.
((((((keep in mind it is the county delegates that chose these.))))))

These numbers are made up but I used them to show how it works.

This is how I understand the process. If anyone has anything to add it would be appreciated.

This why there can be no

This why there can be no deals made on delegates.

Yeah we learned the hard way

Don't believe anything they say and don't give an inch. They will literally kneel down and beg for them. Don't do it!

This isn't right

They split the average based on the anonymous straw votes to get these numbers.

When you signed up to become a delegate, they have no way of knowing who you voted for.

I guarantee, at least in my county, Ron Paul received most of the delegates. We knew what we were doing. The only other group I would be somewhat worried about are the Romney people. They also know what they are doing.

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Here is their explanation on how they came up with these numbers:

The "soft count", on the other hand, will reflect the support for each presidential contender by either Pledged or Unpledged delegates- whether formally allocated yet or not- as best can be estimated by "The Green Papers"; it could, conceivably change even day to day as presidential contenders might be forced out of the nomination race- perhaps releasing any delegates which might have already been formally allocated to them- or delegates once in the ranks of the "Uncommitted" might begin to indicate support of a given presidential contender even before the National Conventions convene this Summer! Delegates listed as "available" in the soft count, are "not yet estimated".

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/Definitions.html#Coun

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I noticed the same thing

They voted and then gave the score. Then everyone starts leaving proud of their scores. Then some stayed around to divide up the delegates. They made everyone have a sticker to vote so they did a good job securing this process. The dirty little secret is:

Once they divided the little groups they had no idea if the people who were in the three little groups had actually voted for the guy there group was standing in.

How do you know all the people in the santorum group where not Romney people? Our better yet how do you know all three groups where not all GOP Neocon's or they where all Ron Paul people?

Didn't happen this way

This is not what happened in my county/precinct. (Blackhawk) We were divided into precincts. We elected a secretary and a leader in our group. The secretary did the counting, tally, recording the information, we were all allowed to watch. (My wife was our secretary, a Ron Paul supporter) Before the straw (popular) vote, they asked us if any of us wanted to be delegates... each precinct had only so many slots, depending on the size of your precinct. We were mixed, Santorum, Bachmann, Paul supporters... nobody knew which was which. Then the people raised their hands if they wanted to become a delegate. If you had more hands than slots, we voted. (In my precinct, only Ron Paul supporters volunteered, I am a delegate) Then we did the same for backup delegates. After that, we did our speeches, one for each candidate, one minute speeches. Then we did the straw vote, on paper. Ron Paul supporters had an official campaign tally sheet for our internal use only, which we used when we called in the numbers to the campaign, to keep everything honest. Each delegate paid $15.00 each to become delegates. The delegates will go on in March to choose/vote in the next delegates. This is how we get the nomination. The more delegates we have, the better chance we have of getting Ron Paul supporters to be the final delegates...

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This really is irrelevant. At

This really is irrelevant.

At the end of the day, any non-Paul delegates till go toward the anti-Paul candidate (whether it be Romney or Santorum) through an endorsement.

So if it comes down to Paul and Mittens, when Santorum drops out he will just release his delegates to Romney and Romney will be the benefactor.

Huh?

We just keep getting less and less, until there are NONE? So more than 20,000 people get NO representation?

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All these delegate storys are

All these delegate storys are all over the map (read below everyones so called facts) I'm still uneasy after tonight..
The only good news I can say for sure, is after clicking on the above link, I found out Newts middle name is "LeRoY"
God, that totally made my night!!!!

OMG!! WRONG!! Paul got no

OMG!! WRONG!! Paul got no delegates yet.

http://www.chron.com/news/article/Romney-edges-Santorum-in-r...

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

Actually... the AP isn't

Actually... the AP isn't correct in their projection either. This from your article:

"the AP uses the results from local caucuses to calculate the number of national delegates each candidate will win, if the candidates maintain the same level of support throughout the process."

The fact is, Mitt, Rick, and Ron each received 6 "soft" delegates. They are unbound and can actually vote however they see fit.

Why is the LA Times showing...

13 delegates for Romney, 12 for Santorum and 0 for Paul?

http://graphics.latimes.com/2012-election-gop-results-map-iowa/

Fake

*Number of delegates projected by the Associated Press

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It may not be true but it's important to note.

This is the propaganda the media is telling the people.

It says right in the LA Times Article

"Although the Iowa caucus results do not technically guarantee delegates for any candidate, the Associated Press is providing estimates for 25 of the 28 delegates. Three others are chosen by party leaders."

This is FALSE

Please stop spreading rumor. I don't care what the source was.

ZERO national delegates were elected tonight, only county delegates. PEriod end of story.

Anyone who knows the Iowa caucus process knows this.

Right--people need to quit

Right--people need to quit grasping.

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You are correct sir.

You are correct sir.

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

Why aren't there any hard

Why aren't there any hard totals yet?

Because county delegates aren't "counted" until the county convs

until the county conventions.

Also, some candiates (incl. Santorum) will drop out. So his county delegates will go free agent. Who knows how they'll vote.

delegates to national arent selected until june

precinct delegates were elected today next up is the county conventions followed by the state convention this is just an estimate based on the straw vote it is not binding

Good News

Onward through the fog!

it wasn't the delegates that

it wasn't the delegates that mattered, it is just the 1st place finish that is useful.

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Iowa is a caucus state, not a primary state.

Save your energy for this next contest. Be happy with this outcome.

This is Iowa

Things are different here. They are far more neo-con in this state.