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Glenn Beck demonizes Paul for 'alignment' with "progressives and communists"

Thought his might be beneficial to those unaware of Glenn Beck's recent baleful attempt to defame the good Doctor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFSHGhq19CM

Beck's use of a lackadaisically constructed "straw man" and an anemic "guilt by association" tactic demonstrate his obtuse logic lacks the intellectual and moral high ground.

The straw man is the supposed associations of task force members serving on the "Sustainable Defense Task Force" (http://www.comw.org/pda/1006SDTF.html).

How does Dr. Paul fit into all of this?

Well, the Task Force "was formed in response to a request from Representative Barney Frank (D-MA), working in cooperation with Representative Walter B. Jones (R-NC), Representative Ron Paul (R-TX), and Senator Ron Wyden (D-OR), to explore possible defense budget contributions to deficit reduction efforts that would not compromise the essential security of the United States."

So, because Ron Paul serves as one of four on the Congressional Oversight to this PDA (Project on Defense Alternatives) coordinated Task Force, which might have members with links to George Soros, Beck endeavors to vituperate Paul's integrity. According to Beck, "President Ron Paul wants to hand over the task of cutting the military to a bunch of Soros funded progressives and communists."

Maybe Ron Paul is exactly what Vasilly Orlov, from the 2010 movie "Salt," was talking about when he warned the CIA of English-speaking Russian sleeper agents trained from birth to destroy the United States on "Day X?"

Or maybe "Task Force members serve as individuals" and "Affiliations are listed for identification purposes and do not imply organizational endorsement of the Task Force findings" making the supposed associations of Task Force members of no consequence to Dr. Paul's philosophic sincerity.

More importantly, as you all know, it "is irrefutably clear to us that if we do not make substantial cuts in the projected levels of Pentagon spending, we will do substantial damage to our economy and dramatically reduce our quality of life" (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-barney-frank/why-we-must-r...) and Congressman Paul is earnestly seeking to do so.

Either way, the Sustainable Defense Task Force's proposed cuts (http://www.comw.org/pda/fulltext/1006SDTFreport.pdf) aren't anything "radical communists" would propose.

Because in reality, "the Task Force has used a set of criteria to identify savings that could be achieved without compromising the essential security of the United States" finding cuts on:
"- Department of Defense programs that are based on unreliable or unproven technologies,
- Missions that exhibit a poor cost-benefit payoff and capabilities that fail the test of cost-effectiveness or that possess a very limited utility,
- Assets and capabilities that mismatch or substantially over-match current and emerging military challenges, and
- Opportunities for providing needed capabilities and assets at lower cost via management reforms."

Further details on proposed cuts can be found here:
http://newwars.wordpress.com/2010/06/21/the-sustainable-defe...
http://www.comw.org/pda/fulltext/1006SDTFreport.pdf

So, is Ron Paul some kook secretly aligned with "progressives and communists" plotting the destruction of America? Or a Congressman who actually sees the number one threat to our national security is the foreseeable economic crisis and is actively looking and providing oversight for "Defense Alternatives" with a goal to:
"- Guarantee reliable, cost-effective defense against aggression;
- Rely on military structures that do not contribute to interstate tensions, crisis instability, or arms racing;
- Allow significant reductions in the level of armed forces and military spending;
- Foster progress in arms control and in the gradual demilitarization of international relations; and,
- Facilitate an increasing reliance on collective and global peacekeeping agencies and nonmilitary means of conflict prevention, containment, and resolution."

You decide.



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01/04/2012

recycling for a hidden agenda?

Bleck! It's Glen Beck.

:p

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Such a relief ! LOL. Finally noticed the date of this post

Such a relief ! LOL. Finally noticed the date of this post... Hopefully Mr. Beck feels much better now...

Does he (?!)

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

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It is quite worrisome.

I think we can sincerely and compassionately have serious concerns about Mr. Beck's mental health.

"President Ron Paul wants to hand over the task of cutting the military to a bunch of Soros funded progressives and communists."

("wants"? "hand over"? "communists"? ... er... Ron Paul would have evolved A HECK OF A LONG WAY, IN A HECK OF A SHORT time, I'd say, would he not?)

Such symptoms of dialectic strawmen in use, with the name of Dr. Ron Paul part of the same sentences, are quite worrisome.

I fear Mr. Beck might very well be way advanced in the process of his going full retard at this point.

I wish him to get the best help he can find ASAP.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Wait

Wasn't Beck begging to be let into the liberty movement just a few weeks ago? Glenn, you are supposed to betray AFTER they let you in. All kidding aside, Beck trying to discredit Rand isn't surprising. I think that time at Fox has melted his brain.

Glenn Beck is hilarious!

He is my favorite clown.

Beck is a corporate commie

Corporatist like beck are the problem. What an unhappy life he has talking hater speak hours a day every day and for that matter the rest of his ilk on hater speak radio and fox tv and bsnbc..

Government is supposed to protect our freedom, our property, our privacy, not invade it. Ron Paul 2007

Glenn Beck supports Left Wing Media Bias

So, from Beck's days at CNN we should assume he is aligned with the beliefs of those in control of that network?

He went from CNN to Fox to his own network, liberal to "conservative" to "libertarian" all within a few years.

The man is lost in the woods. It's kind of sad to witness.

Apparently Glenn Beck is on

Apparently Glenn Beck is on here down voting all of our comments against him.

surely beck is right.

he's a libertarian, you know, i heard him say it.

"The two weakest arguments for any issue on the House floor are moral and constitutional"
Ron Paul

yet Beck aligns himself with Romney

a globalist / socialist

Someone else put it nicely

BUCK FECK!!!!

Glenn will forever be known as Buck Feck to me.

Agree

Beck is weird for sure.So was Joseph Smith.

Money talks and dogs bark

Might want to read that last

Might want to read that last line over again...

"Facilitate an increasing reliance on collective and global peacekeeping agencies...."

Collective? Global?

Sustainable?

What's going on here?

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

This topic is over a year old.

.

I know. Voted it down.. Beck

I know. Voted it down.. Beck has "grown" much since then, and we will see if it is genuine and real, soon.

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

So what? It's still relevant.

It's more relevant now than ever.

I think he means it would

I think he means it would have been nice for that to have been made clear, some people might think it a recent occurance, and knowing none the wiser.

I agree, i didnt know beck said these things so its news to me, but if the above poster hadnt posted what he did, and i not read it, i might have gone on thinking this was a recent thing...

...knowing when a thing happens is almost as important as knowing, what DID happen......does that make sense

Edit
Plus, the more this happens the more likely itll get my lazy ass self to check the dates of posts :D........turn a negative into a positive......not that theres really any negative-ness-ness...(.???)....thats a word right

Take a very close look at that last paragragh.

"So, is Ron Paul some kook secretly aligned with "progressives and communists" plotting the destruction of America? Or a Congressman who actually sees the number one threat to our national security is the foreseeable economic crisis and is actively looking and providing oversight for "Defense Alternatives" with a goal to:
"- Guarantee reliable, cost-effective defense against aggression;
- Rely on military structures that do not contribute to interstate tensions, crisis instability, or arms racing;
- Allow significant reductions in the level of armed forces and military spending;
- Foster progress in arms control and in the gradual demilitarization of international relations; and,
- Facilitate an increasing reliance on collective and global peacekeeping agencies and nonmilitary means of conflict prevention, containment, and resolution."

Pay special attention to the part about arms control and demilitarization in the hopes of facilitating a reliance on global peacekeeping agencies.

I say Ron Paul is an Anarchist, and Anarchists are Communists and frauds who want to do exactly what you're saying he wants to do, and that's what aligns him with Communists and progressives.

Guys like Lew Rockwell want to break up the US for a very good reason, because they know what kind of strength we as a united country can project, and how little chance all those arms controlling global peacekeepers would have with us defending our right to self determination.

Like I said; Sovereign Anarchists are NWO shills trying to divide and conquer liberty minded people.

you may want to recheck the

definition of Anarchism.

You like Buck Feck and Occupy wannabe anarchists have no idea what anarchism actually is. Socialism and communism is the exact opposite of Anarchism. The only basis of agreement REAL anarchists and socialists have is that they hate the current fascist system so you will often see them protesting with each other. I

And yes. Ron Paul is a bit of Anarchist in some ways. But that is a good thing.

And FYI, Just because Dr Paul served in the military means nothings in this context. You forget there was a draft at one point in time. If he didn't sign up the way he did, he would have been drafted any way and would have no choice of how he would have to serve. Because he joined on his terms, he got to pick to serve as a surgeon.

Do people even bother to understand the subject matter of what they are talking about before spewing out retardation.....no clearly not. Even on the DP

lol

I think your in the wrong place. Do a 360 and walk away.

Homeland security statement: patriotism is now considered terrorism.
I love www.isidewith.com shared it with everyone I know. If anything they realize its not just a red and blue idiot running for reelection.

How is Ron Paul an Anarchist when he served in the US

government for 30 someodd years? What are you talking about. Anarchists want no government. Ron Paul WAS the GOVERNMENT. I cannot believe you are still here a week later saying Ron Paul is an Anarchist and a Communist. We are practically under dictarial rule right now and you are talking about a retired congressman as being a communist. Why don't you look at Washington DC and you will see the Communists. They are the Republican and Democratic Parties that are running roughshod over the constitution. Besides Walstreet funded the Bolshevik revolution as well as Hitler and we sided with the Communists during WWII. We have been doing communists purges around the world while communists have been doing capitalist purges around the world and it is all a big game of purging if you ask me and the very fact that you are here calling Ron Paul a Communist and an Anarchist makes me feel like I am going to get purged for having Ron Paul stickers on my cars.

Could you possible take 10 minutes of your time and watch this

http://youtu.be/OYCBbJE7G40
and tell me how you can believe anything anymore about anything? I think Ron Paul is the only person I have heard speak the truth as a politician my whole life. People who I voted for like George Bush Sr who said "read my lips" lied. Clinton who I didn't vote for lied. Reagan? I am still trying to figure out why he claimed to be a conservative and managed to grow the US Govt and also did not get rid of the Department of Education. George W who I voted for? Didn't he do No Child Left Behind and Federalized even more School age Child Education? You tell me who the communists are. You cannot recognize them?

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Peter Kropotkin made a pretty good anarchist

And he was an officer in the Czar's Army (and a prince of the Russian nobility).

“Men passionately desire to live after death, but they often pass away without noticing the fact that the memory of a really good person always lives. It is impressed upon the next generation, and is transmitted again to the children. Is that not an immortality worth striving for? ”
― Pyotr Kropotkin, Memoirs of a Revolutionist

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Kropotkin

OK

So, why are you giving me a wiki link for Pyotr Krpotkin?

Just yanking your chain

a bit.

Since you seemed to be saying that someone couldn't work for the
government and be an anarchist.

Kropotkin clearly worked for the government and was pretty clearly
an anarchist although he didn't really become one until quite a while
after he left the Russian military.

So it's not like he was an anarchist and army officer at the same time,
although his experiences in the army in Siberia did influence his ideas
about society, nature and politics...

I don't think Ron Paul is the *only* one

But they are few and far between, especially now when we could used
some brave and honest ones.

Thanks for the video link - definitely a well-spent ten minutes.

Like I told you, most Anarchists are just Communists and frauds,

"How is Ron Paul and Anarchist when he served in the US government for 30 someodd years"

Like I told you, most Anarchists are just Communists and frauds, and our government is filled with Communists and frauds. They can't actually defend what it is they hope to create, because it's indefensible, it's a betrayal of their oath, but they do know what they hope to destroy.

How could he serve in our government for 30 years while hanging out with people who want to break up our country for 40 years?

"We are practically under dictarial rule right now and you are talking about a retired congressman as being a communist."

We are aye? Who's our Dictator. Give me a name, and then we can talk about who lives in a world of delusion.

"calling Ron Paul a Communist and an Anarchist makes me feel like I am going to get purged for having Ron Paul stickers on my cars. "

That was his game, welcome to it. An Anarchist turns a liberty minded person into an Anarchist rather than somebody serving justice.

Here comes the link...

"watch this video and tell me how you can believe anything anymore about anything?"

I have my own eyes, ears, and functioning mind, I never handed them over to some Anarchist who didn't want me to: "believe anything anymore about anything." Are you a nihilist? Do you understand that objective reality exists and there is a foundation for truth? What is it you think I believe? What is it you think I'm ignorant to, and what is it that you think will bring my whole world crashing down...

Show me your enlightenment and this time don't cut and paste some Youtube video!

"You tell me who the communists are. You cannot recognize them?"

Yea, they're Marxist frauds destroying our country, and so is Ron Paul because he left those who opposed it looking like Anarchists rather than patriots. I'd LOVE to hear Ron Paul deny that he's an Anarchist and to tell people what's wrong with Anarchism, but he won't, because he can't. He thinks his ideas are perfect, and if you should know anything by now, those who claim their ideas are perfect are idealists, self aware liars and Judas Goats leading people towards destruction, because the only place their ideas work is in a perfect world without evil.

"I cannot believe you are still here a week later saying Ron Paul is an Anarchist and a Communist."

Believe it. I'm not going anywhere and I'm well aware of the current state of the world and our Republic, just as I'm fully aware of the modern Anarchist movement.

I have been swamped, but wanted to continue to try to understand

Look, I don’t want to be involved in the wrong thing, so I find your words very concerning. But right now, to me they are just words. I do not know what you are talking about. I do not know the facts you are using to support your premise. To me, if what you are saying is true, it is very important for me to know. However, I am not just going to take your words as being true. You need to come up with hard facts regarding your allegations toward Ron Paul being a Communist. I am not here to attack you. I am here to understand. However, I also feel the need to defend Dr. Paul. I only found Ron Paul less than a year before the last election and it took me a few months before I was willing to speak publicly of my support of him. I do not want to be discredited or lead people in the wrong way. So before I was vocal, I felt like I did my homework. Ron Paul’s stand for life is what sold me on him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkAsLPrnJGc&feature=player_em...
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Me: "How is Ron Paul and Anarchist when he served in the US government for 30 someodd years"
You: Like I told you, most Anarchists are just Communists and frauds, and our government is filled with Communists and frauds. They can't actually defend what it is they hope to create, because it's indefensible, it's a betrayal of their oath, but they do know what they hope to destroy.

Well that makes me ask, what exactly did Ron Paul want to create? He had the only plan to Balance the Budget within his term. And he was going to do that without creating upheaval in the social programs to which a great number of Americans have become dependent. That would have avoided anarchy. I think that when the dollar fails we are going to have upheaval, and we will be a sitting duck to be picked off by some communist revolution. One of the ploys is to promise the people the moon, make them dissatisfied with their government, not provide the moon, and then the people revolt. Ron Paul’s plan avoided that.
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You: How could he serve in our government for 30 years while hanging out with people who want to break up our country for 40 years?

Who exactly wants to break up our country. I don’t want to break up our country. Who are you talking about?
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Me: "We are practically under dictarial rule right now and you are talking about a retired congressman as being a communist."

You: We are aye? Who's our Dictator. Give me a name, and then we can talk about who lives in a world of delusion.

We have a president who is executive order prolific. We have a congress that runs roughshod over the constitution. During the Healthcare debate, people were very upset in their town hall meetings and their representatives did not seem to care, but were bent on promoting legislation that they wanted. I am not so sure the Supreme Courte rules constitutionally either. So, while I am not giving you a single name, I am telling you that the system, the REPUBLIC, has been subverted. The government confiscated the people gold in the 30’s. The Federal Reserve is printing money glibly. Lobbyists buy politicians. Wars are no longer constitutionally declared. The Executive Branch is determining kill lists and American Citizens have been killed without trial or representation by a jury of their peers. Our congress for the most part does not even read the bills they vote on. How can anyone give a yea or a nay in good faith in support of the constitution without reading the bill? We pay more than 60% in taxes and federal regulations. That means people work more than ½ of their day to support an every growing system. I could go on…but that is what I am talking about when I say we are practically under a dictatorial regime as it is.
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Me: "calling Ron Paul a Communist and an Anarchist makes me feel like I am going to get purged for having Ron Paul stickers on my cars. "

You: That was his game, welcome to it. An Anarchist turns a liberty minded person into an Anarchist rather than somebody serving justice.

I would like you to prove that. How do you know Ron Paul’s game. Do you have a written record of his game? What do you mean he turns a liberty minded person into an Anarchist? Who are you talking about? Who has been turned into an Anarchist? I am not an Anarchist. I am a law abiding citizen of the United States. I try to obey all laws. I teach my children to do that. I honor authority.
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Here comes the link...

Me: "watch this video and tell me how you can believe anything anymore about anything?"

You: I have my own eyes, ears, and functioning mind, I never handed them over to some Anarchist who didn't want me to: "believe anything anymore about anything." Are you a nihilist? Do you understand that objective reality exists and there is a foundation for truth? What is it you think I believe? What is it you think I'm ignorant to, and what is it that you think will bring my whole world crashing down...
Show me your enlightenment and this time don't cut and paste some Youtube video!

That link had to do with Edward Berneys marketing style. It was 10 minutes. If you do not want to watch it, then don’t. The whole culture of American economy was changed with that style of marketing. It also appears that marketing has been used on government and to achieve political agendas. My objective truth and reality lies in the Holy Bible which is the Word of God.
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Me: "You tell me who the communists are. You cannot recognize them?"

You: Yea, they're Marxist frauds destroying our country, and so is Ron Paul because he left those who opposed it looking like Anarchists rather than patriots. I'd LOVE to hear Ron Paul deny that he's an Anarchist and to tell people what's wrong with Anarchism, but he won't, because he can't. He thinks his ideas are perfect, and if you should know anything by now, those who claim their ideas are perfect are idealists, self aware liars and Judas Goats leading people towards destruction, because the only place their ideas work is in a perfect world without evil.

What do you mean when you say Ron Paul left people looking like anarchists rather than patriots? I don’t know what you are talking about. How did Ron Paul do that? I am not an Anarchist. I don’t look like an anarchist. I have been a patriotic American all of my life. I still love my country. I am very concerned about its well-being. I don’t know what you are meaning when you say we look like anarchists.
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Me: "I cannot believe you are still here a week later saying Ron Paul is an Anarchist and a Communist."

You: Believe it. I'm not going anywhere and I'm well aware of the current state of the world and our Republic, just as I'm fully aware of the modern Anarchist movement.

What is the Modern Anarchist Movement? I am not aware of it. I don’t even know one exists. The only reason I am worrying about it is because you are talking about it.

I cannot decide whether to be afraid of you or afraid of Ron Paul. I have listened to Ron Paul in many different settings. I have never felt afraid or like he was trying to turn me against my country. I cannot understand your motives.

Have you been personally injured or made to look like an Anarchist? What exactly is your proof, other than your words?

I ask because I think it is very important to come to the truth of the matter and it is very serious to me for you to be making these allegations.

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^Your puppies ain't all barkin', son.

Seek help.

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. ~J. Swift

This is what they amount to in the end.

Worthless insults.

So is Ron Paul a Voluntarist(Anarchist) who hangs out with Communists, and is he not trying to get people to 'opt out' rather than in and demand justice and Constitutionally limited government?

Does a Sovereign Citizen actually believe that they're going to live here like some kind of freeloader while they run their mouths screaming about idiots, sheep and crazy people?

No... The only crazy people I see around here are the Anarchists. Anarchism isn't a political ideology; it's a mental illness, just as Communism is, something created by mentally ill people who hope to grind up all the "idiots, sheep, and crazy people".

I won't stand for it, no matter how kindly the fake messenger. Love thy neighbor as you love thy self. Love is the fulfillment of the law, and I love you too much to leave you to an Anarchist and his games. They don't end the way you think they do, and an Anarchist never intended it to end with you living in a just society that keeps the peace.

PS You aren't anybodies daddy, but I have no doubt you like imagining that you are.