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Jon Huntsman attacks...himself?

1) go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZeVqj-t1U0
2) click on the button right to the views counter
3) read if you can
04/01/2012 First referral from – twitter.com
04/01/2012 First view from a mobile device
04/01/2012 First referral from YouTube search – ron paul
04/01/2012 First referral from – jon2012.com
04/01/2012 First referral from YouTube – /my_videos

4) check who is jon2012.com

5) check the history of the NHLiberty4Paul user
-go to http://www.youtube.com/user/NHLiberty4Paul?feature=watch

6) read if you can
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I'm no investigative journalist but...I was so proud of catching this so quickly. Grassroots activists will always be more responsive than the dinosaur media. We're winning guys. Evil people are losing sleep.

Senator Peter Schiff 2016

Check this video out on Huntsman

It is called Serial Obama. Huntsman is one dangerous man http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=n8Ssx...

CanDo.com statement location

Here is the full "CanDo.com" statement with charts for all you techies (not me) send this dang thing viral, especially MSM!!!


nomad, can you provide more info on the party change in Mass. I've been looking everywhere but can't find the specifics. Anyone else in Mass. know the party change rules and deadline. Please hurry, thank you.

Huntsman video

Send this viral..

To whom it may concern,
The Ron Paul 2012 PCC hired our firm, CanDo.com, to investigate the source of a video titled "Jon Huntsman's Values." The video can be found online at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZeVqj-t1U0 After researching the available evidence, we believe it is likely that the video came from a source within or closely tied to the Huntsman Campaign. We base this assessment on several factors which we present below. The image below shows "significant discovery events" as recorded by YouTube:
Of significant interest, YouTube shows that the first 12 visits to this video are from Twitter.com,
mobile devices, and a link from "Jon2012.com" We thoroughly searched the Jon2012.com site using Google for any reference to this link. None existed. Furthermore, we noted that the comment function of the Jon2012.com site does not allow for hyperlinks, which would be required for YouTube to record the referring domain as Jon2012.com. Since no direct link to the video exists on Jon2012.com, how could YouTube show Jon2012.com as the referring site? Our best guess is that someone used a server on the Jon2012.com domain (such as webmail) to read an email that contained the link to the video. It is also likely that the first mobile views at that same time originated from links in emails. Clicking on a link from a webmail system on Jon2012.com would provide the needed headers for YouTube to record the link. Furthermore, investigating the account NHLiberty4Paul on YouTube and Twitter, we found that both were created the same day that the video was released. There is no reference to this handle in any public site, prior to the creation of this account, that we could find. Here is our proposed explanation of the events that happened surrounding the release and discovery of this video:
 Someone created or was given this video and needed a way to get it out.
 They created NHLiberty4Paul on Twitter, and on YouTube
 They uploaded this video on Youtube and sent out an email containing the link to this video on Youtube and the twitter post.
 Five mobile devices clicked on the link from the twitter link and from the email link generating the first 10 hits.
 One person using a webmail client at Jon2012.com clicked on the YouTube link generating the first referral from Jon2012.com.
According to YouTube's stats for the video, before any real viewer activity, the video was nearly simultaneously referred from Twitter (presumably the tweet from NHLiberty4Paul), viewed on a mobile device, referred from a YouTube search, and referred from Jon2012.com. The very next day, January 5th, at 8:05am, Jon Huntsman appeared on CNN with Solidad O'Brien and states "Tell Dr. Paul that I owe him a tweet in return and he should be expecting one sometime soon." There could certainly be other explanations, however, based on the evidence above and the coincidental timing of the release and subsequent events, it seems likely that a party close to the Huntsman campaign posted and distributed this video impersonating a Ron Paul supporter in order to cast Ron Paul and his campaign in a negative light.
Please let us know if you have any further questions with regard to this matter. Sincerely,
Rob Ratterman

nomad, can you provide more info on the party change in Mass. I've been looking everywhere but can't find the specifics. Anyone else in Mass. know the party change rules and deadline. Please hurry, thank you.

how does Piers Morgan

come out of this all squeaky clean? he was clearly in on it...

From what I can gather

the YouTube stats don't prove anything. All the referrals are on the same date (January 4). They are not specific regarding time. Assuming they are listed alphabetically in chronological order, the first "significant discovery event" involves five referrals from Twitter (whose account we don't know). The referral from Huntsman's site comes after. It is possible that Huntsman's campaign blog linked to the video at some point on that day, but I can't find it there now.

I still believe this is a false flag or prank video, for all the reasons outlined in my other forum topic. And it is extremely irresponsible for the media to attribute this video to Ron Paul supporters or the Paul campaign without any effort made to investigate the matter. Skepticism is called for but nowhere to be found.

Before the video blew up

it showed the Hunstman twitter as a standalone line as the second view. Screenshots are all over the place.


Freedom - Peace - Prosperity

desperation !

attacking himself and blaming some Dr. Paul supporter ?
maybe he came to know that media is not going to give him the surge ?

Dr.Ron Paul's 2002 Predictions

He didn't like me posting

this link http://www.theendrun.com/huntsman-complicit-in-false-flag-st... on his wall.. took about 20 secs to be gone. Sent the campaign an email saying its better to come clean sooner than later as the words is out there that he did it.

Of course, he does have one avenue of escape - to come forward and say that both campaigns have been set up and that he apologies to Paul for jumping to conclusions.

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Here's All The Proof:

The youtube stats screenshot

The youtube stats screenshot isn't the original one with the jon2012.com thing.

"I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves, be wise as a serpent and harmless as a dove."

Does anyone think

that accusing Huntsman's daughters of slandering Ron Paul might be offensive to the Huntsman campaign??? Please keep this in mind, ESPECIALLY if Ben Swan decides to make a piece on it!! Our own actions could effectively end Ben's career. I worry too much. But am equally suspicious of all of this.

"I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves, be wise as a serpent and harmless as a dove."

found proof


As described earlier in this thread. It's obvious - too convenient. A bait rather.

truth liberate

I saw this

If this is really true, it shows what a low life Huntsman is, dragging the name of the good doc through the mud to save his campaign. And it also shows the Paul campaign is not handling this well. If this works once, don't you think they'll do it again.

Clearly Fake

I could probably do that in 5 minutes.

Lack of taste

Disgusting ad.

For Liberty! http://youtu.be/GR4WYqabTxU
What If? http://youtu.be/FqAF-Alc7CM
Armed Chinese Troops in Texas! http://youtu.be/XKfuS6gfxPY

It would be nice to get a

It would be nice to get a drudge-linkable news site to expose the timeline of the creation of the twitter account, the first tweet, and the first visit to the youtube video being prior to all that, and pontificate on the inside job angle.

Some may say that speculation of this sort isn't worthy of news, but there is much less speculation in the conspiracy angle of this story than there is in the linking this youtube video to Ron Paul or the campaign.

Seemingly forgotten in all this...

Why would a candidate with Ron Paul's approval ratings attack a candidate with John Huntsman's approval ratings?

Rule #1 of ANY advertising or political campaign: NEVER attack an opponent who holds a lower position than yourself.

Simple understanding: This is Blowback from the stupid TWITter attack on Huntsman from the mental incompetent on Ron Paul's campaign staff.

Rule #1 from Dad: "Sit down! Shut up! Enjoy the ride!"

More evidence

The first referral from twitter was from an account with the same name as the Youtube account. It was created the same day. As of Friday evening, he/she/it has made only 10 tweets. Has 2 followers, both most likely spammers.

None, repeat none, of the early tweets are from Ron Paul supporters. They are all from people who are gleeful to point out how crazy Ron Paul supporters are. Some of the later tweets are from Ron Paul supporters, but ever single one of them repudiates the video.

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"Fully half the quotations found on the internet are either mis-attributed, or outright fabrications." - Abraham Lincoln

Huntsman will be out after NH...

don't give this any energy.

The MSM will do what they will do and we can not control it.

But we can pick up the phone and "smile and dial" for
Ron Paul 2012!


If you want to fight this...pick up the phone.

Phone from home.

Right on!

Paul ante portas.

As a former political operative

what I see is a likely ploy by a third party to besmirch both Huntsman and Paul. The Web ad probably does raise questions about Huntsman in voters' minds while at the same time being seen as a despicable act by the Ron Paul people. Huntsman wouldn't do this to himself IMO but another campaign would stand to gain by depressing both the Paul and Huntsman vote. I hope the real culprit is connected with the Romney campaign but it could come from some lesser candidate, at least two of who are advertising here in NH.

New Hampshire and Ecuador.

Maybe It's the Grinch...

He was all fired up after his poor showing in Iowa. He looked like he was going to take his revenge out on all of them instead of really focusing on his campaign. Has anyone seen any of Gingrich's ads? Does he have any, does he even have a staff?

Ros Krasnyfrom Reuters broke the story 4 days ago

The video was posted 4 days ago and somehow she stumbled on it on youtube and wrote an article about it!!!

According to the Google search:

Sky News - China In Depth
indepth.news.sky.com/InDepth/topic/China - United Kingdom
4 days ago - online ad, posted on YouTube by a group called "NHLiberty4Paul," suggests that Huntsman -- the former... Beijing to Publish More Accurate Air Data ...

Ros Krasny | Journalist Profile | Reuters.com
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4 days ago – In this campaign, however, former Utah Governor Jon Huntsman and former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney are at ... By Ros Krasny ...

Drudge has headline

"Huntsman outraged at ad targeting adopted daughters". It's a Reuters article and has just two comments. Lets go tell the truth and deny any involvement. Not a Reuters subscriber so I'll need to create an account.


Sent this as a tip to Drudge

With the link from a previous commenter of the truth: http://webcitation.org/64UwUcknd

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Reuters is

censoring comments. They won't post mine.

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Great post. Very helpful to those that will actually go and investigate.