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As a GAY man

And I realize it isn't about any group's liberties, its about individual liberties; I want to make a video supporting Ron Paul regarding this issue. Even though for so long I have said the gay issue doesn't matter, if I want to marry someone I can because I have religious freedom, and I don't need permission. If I want to leave my belongings to someone in a will, I can, I don't need anyone's permission. Please do not express your religious view points because that isn't the discussion. I understand his stance on states and churches. What are some of the key points I should include in this, the points that matter the most? I don't care if you don't support gay marriage, you want EVERYONE to fight for this cause. I have a lot of gay friends who I am slowly turning towards Ron Paul, some of them it's taken years, though most of them support Obama for his actions against the Federal Marriage Amendment, most of the gay people I talk to now support Ron Paul. I've never met a gay person who supports Romney or Santorum or Gingrich. I don't believe they exist outside of a media fabrication, other than those who profit off of stocks in bomb making. And even though I understand the issue probably better than most, I would sincerely appreciate a united compilation of explaining it in lay man's term analogies. Thank you.



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One of those things about liberty

Is that it's okay for us to accept that different people have different ideas about what is acceptable and even "normal" in this realm. I am personally very much for getting marriage out of the hands of the government, because I'm tired of having this discussion in a sense that there are "winners" and "losers" to the debate of what this word means. Like the phrase "being a good Christian" means different things to different people, "marriage" is something that is a matter of faith, belief, conscience, etc. So how dare we move that into something which must be legislated!

It's okay that not everybody posting here thinks that homosexuality is normal or okay. That's FINE, because we all agree that, whether morally acceptable or not (like gambling, drinking, faithfulness to spouse, or any manner of behaivor which only affects yourself and voluntary associations) it is a personal matter, not a public one.

It's also okay that many are okay with it, because, again, it's very much a personal matter - not something for the government to get involved in.

I will suggest to the original poster, however, that you consider the campaign's strategy when releasing the video. Try to time it for a period in time that they are targeting independents and/or potential blue republicans (like the general election, or maybe Nevada). When we're targeting more "conservative" states, people may not look at the details of Paul's plan close enough to realize it's a win-win for both the GLBTA community and the religious right.

No Room for Bigotry in the Movement

Freedom and Liberty are for EVERYONE!

Glad you are involved and helping Ron Paul in 2012!

Ron Paul is Not Anti-Gay He is Pro Liberty!

Please watch on You Tube: Classic Ron Paul: "Who is right, the Southern Baptists or Disney?"

WOW

Well I've been working for the last few days and catching up on your responses, thank you. There were many good ideas. It's too bad half of the posts have wasted my time, reading about how "the granger" and a few others think I'm trying to use this as a hookup site and to flaunt my sexuality, when clearly I'm expressing my frustration that I HAVE to deal with the false stigma that since I am gay I am not allowed to marry. It's not about me being gay, it's about everyone's right to marry whom they choose, an idea which would appeal to all gay people, bringing in support for Ron Paul. I am speaking of the difference between a legal marriage and a lawful covenant. I am speaking of state's and community rights as opposed to illegal federal rights. It's about legal marriages being between three parties, the man, woman, and the government and the government having power, Van Koten vs Van Koten, as opposed to a lawful covenant where it is between two people and their God, a position I believe Ron Paul has expressed. I'm trying to find good analogies to point out the difference between Obama's continuance of the "legal marriage" ideology and Ron Paul's pointing out the "lawful covenant" ideology. There was another comment saying this type of video will not help the campaign, but that doesn't matter because it won't be the first. Unfortunately, for most gay people this is the deciding issue, just as the color of Obama's skin was for black people, and I don't want the gay community to fall into the same trap. It's 10% of the vote, people. It needs to be addressed in a way that is not offensive to anyone, yes, that's why I am asking for your advice as heterosexuals, from that stand point, in those shoes. It has nothing to do with me coming on here announcing my sexuality, that is beyond ridiculous, granger, it's simply incorrect.

Hookup site....Lol

What do you look like? Hmmmm

"A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself within" W. Durant

Hmmm

What do you mean by that?

His Book "Liberty Defined"

has an entire chapter on marriage. It lays out his view pretty clearly.

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"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

don't forget if the federal

don't forget if the federal government gets involved in letting it happen they then have the right to reverse it. They should not have a say one way or another!

Mhorndisk, thank you for the post

Please try to overlook some of the ignorant and insensitive comments you are getting in response to your post. I don't know how long you have been in the Liberty Movement or a member of the Daily Paul, but I can assure you that most of us are thoughtful, warm, compassionate and open minded individuals. Not everyone will use their freedom of expression in a productive manner, but the alternative to this freedom is unacceptable, and that is why many of us are here.

Sexual freedom and gay rights are nowhere near the top of my priority list, and I have serious issues with much of what I have seen of the Gay Agenda. However, Freedom and Liberty for all individuals, as well as an end to war, are issues that move me greatly. From what I read in your post, you clearly understand what we are fighting for, and I am glad to have you on our side.

The energy and enthusiasm that the LGBT community bring to every cause which they support would be an invaluable asset to the Ron Paul campaign. Please continue to reach out to your peers on behalf of Ron Paul and Liberty. Despite some of the negative comments you may have received, I assure you that most of us support your efforts and will do whatever we can to help in this worthwhile endeavor. Thanks again for the post.

πολλα γαρ πταιομεν απαντες ει τις εν λογω ου πταιει ουτος τελειος ανηρ δυνατος χαλιναγωγησαι και ολον το σωμα

Why don't "gays" support Santorum?

...if you catch my meaning?

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You might get in touch with Starchild,

in San Francisco. He's long been a strong supporter and has many friends in the gay & straight community; no doubt he has good insights for your particular project.

He was working with the John Dennis campaign and could be contacted easily as he is well known. Sorry I don't have a direct link.

One interesting angle to research would be the especially sad fate of openly gay people in all historic authoritarian cultures, continuing today. While the current administration takes some pains to appear open and tolerant, we see just beneath the surface how coldly its leaders kill anyone, worldwide, for power.

Such immoral tyrants have no principles and will betray the people and causes that put them into power. Only with a principled and proven advocate of freedom and good will toward all can a voter have any confidence of civil liberties being respected. Dr. Paul is not just about being elected, but about transforming cultural ethics to embrace respect and good will and tolerance for the rich diversity of all peaceful and free human beings.

In a rare moment of Paul's public life ...

He made an error in the 1990s.

He opposed DADT and was in support of the status quo which was an outright ban of gays in the military.

Guess what Paul did about it?

He listened to his constituents and realized he had made a big mistake.

And then he publicly admitted that he made a mistake.

Today, he supports the policy of allowing gays in the military to serve openly and should be restricted in just the same manner as straights when it comes to behavior.

To all aholes who slander the original poster of this topic

your truly disgust me completely. This is a person trying to bring people into the movement and you bitch about them opening up to us in hopes to research the topic more in order to help Ron Paul win the election and you have your heads so far up your asses that you destroy the discussion. This poster is gay and he is trying to find information to help his voting demographic understand Ron Paul's positions and you look at it as if he is trying to gain for himself. Shame on you commentors who replied this way, enjoy your chains, you claim to have the believe in Ron Paul, but fail to act like him. I am completely disgusted by people on here like this. Disgusting.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

It neither breaks my legs

nor picks my pocket, to be friends with people who are of no threat to me or my beliefs.

MODS, DO NOT MOVE THIS POST!!!!!!!

Gay people are individuals, and all individuals have rights given to them by their creator.

The most important message that the Poster can give to his friends, is that "Liberty doesn't divide us, it unites us", as Dr. Paul always says.

Dr. Paul is not gay, but he would NOT impose his beliefs upon people who are gay. The Federal Government should not be in the marriage business anyways, according to Ron Paul.

People should be free to live their lives, as they see fit, unless their actions, are hurting another individual or their property.

Join the revolution gay people. Freedom and Liberty are for everyone.

MODS, can you move this to Liberty Forum

It's not really about RP2012. It's a liberty issue for sure, but what's it's direct relationship to the campaign?

We are all gay here...

Gay for Ron Paul that is.. Carry on.

If you want to make a video

I think it's more important to show ALL people can support Dr. Paul. Don't focus on just LGBT community, show that there is room for ALL in America and that he wants liberty for each individual not because of what they are but because of who they are and that is a human with natural rights.

There was a Rabbi at one of the last town halls in NH, I see Indians, Africans, Middle Easterners on Youtube and Twitter cheering for him, there are minorities all around the states supporting him, people of every social background, blue collar, white collar, all ages...that should be the message.

I would include gay people too maybe have them hold American flags and the Rainbow Flag or LGBTs Love Ron Paul, or if possible get some gay celebrities or celebrities that gays love including Barry Manilow (I don't know if they love him but I'm guessing Copa Cabana is still popular haha - and he does still support Ron Paul).

Also you could contact Andrew Sullivan who was supporting Ron Paul during this election cycle (he is @sullydish on twitter and he works for The Daily Beast).

History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.
Dwight D. Eisenhower

Today is the NH primary, Ron

Today is the NH primary, Ron Paul runs for president, and there will be no second chance.
This is a VERY important day, okay?

And You want to talk about being gay?
And You are a 6 day member?

Golly!

p.s. and I don't call anybody troll, but the media goes off on 20 years old newsletters he didn't write. They bring a lady who couldn't meet him on the evening news. Maybe they are looking for interesting quotes from RP supporters?

Attila I am very dissapointed in your comment

you have been on this site a long time and for you to post this is ridiculous. I don't care if this person was a one day member, should we exclude all people on here who haven't been on dailypaul for more than 6 months. Should we change the name of the site to "Don't bring up things of importance on caucus day daily paul", or should we change the name of the site to "Veterans of daily paul who support Ron Paul"? I don't get it. We attack people and back it up with longevity on dailypaul, should we never get new members? Your response will not be taken with any substance, and we need to stop infighting, so realize what you say and realize it is a bad move while we there are bigger fights than this. You are letting the elites beat you and me by posting comments like this, realize that you are playing into their game and snap out of it!

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

Well, first of all I might

Well, first of all I might have become a little paranoid, because of the ridiculous way the media creates topics around RP. Things that never happen to other candidates this way.
And they have made the Ron Paul supporters look bad too.

To see a controversial topic posted by a newbie gives me second thoughts. Not that being gay is controversial to me, it is a personal choice and everybodys own business.

I can definetely imagine that some people plant those things hoping they get responses who would make a nice story (completely out of context of course).

Okay, I'm paranoid.

And we WOOOOOOOOOOOOOON! Yippie! :)

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I personally shared your skepticism...

Considering a pro-gay marriage video will not win the Republican primary because as a party they tend to be just a tad homophobic (hell, Frothy damn near won Iowa and if he actually had a campaign could show in SC).

And we are going to get slammed from both directions on these topics. Painted as both homophobes, and as gay rights activists. And the video in question, would more likely be used as an attack against us and RP, whether that was the creators intent or not.

However, I personally chose to accept it for what the author claimed simply because we can't run from these issues. And they will help in the General.

The fact is, more freedom for all is had by removing the Federal Government from the equation and that is the case we need to drive home. I'd rather lose a few votes for being called "too tolerant", than gain a few by "not being tolerant"...

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How is Ron Paul *not* fighting for "gay rights"?

He wants the government out of our lives and for all of our civil rights to be upheld, doesn't he?

How are "gay rights" not an extension of that, aside from the fact that you are calling them "gay rights" instead of human/civil rights?

Doctor Ron Paul is fighting a government that picks winners and losers and polices every aspect of our lives.

All most gay people want is *equal protection under the law* and a government that doesn't dictate morality.

So, if you think about it... being "too tolerant" is just a mis-characterization of the work that Doctor Paul is Already doing on behalf of All Americans, including the LGBTQ community.

Good idea! Also, a show of SOLIDARITY is important, not

divisiveness. We are what we are....we are all human beings with all our faults, regardless. We all have the right to believe what we want to believe and to do what we want to do, as long as we don't hurt one another...perhaps reading Ron Paul's books is a great idea, because his character, in my opinion, demonstrates a kindly attitude towards you & your friends that is the MOST Christian, imho. After all, all we want is to live in peace and not be bothered. Be careful not to offend the evangelicals, if you can. They have rights to their own opinions, too. Besides, a lot of the disagreements come as a result of a "controlling" government. It's the Government Media, also, that really causes "divisiveness" between all groups, imo.

So, maybe you could just center your video moreso on how it is that Dr. Paul's "concepts" unite people of all walks of life, instead of dividing them.

Good luck!

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You are arguing with the wrong person on this...

I don't disagree that we are arguing for freedom, period. Which benefits all, including gay. The point is, and I am correct on this... Ron Paul HAS been attacked in the primary as being in favor of gay marriage, etc, etc... He has also been attacked from the left for being homophobic...

The Republican Party IS homophobic, and so it is not actually a benefit to provide a video like this at this time. However, I am more comfortable taking attacks from homophobes than I am with trying to "play down positions" to win votes and therefore think if he can, he should make the video.

I am not sure why you take exception to my accurate portrayal of the facts.

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Because he is Not making the video for conservative republicans!

He is making it for his own friends who are part of the LGBT community!

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As I said...

He should... But are you really so naive as to think it won't show up being used from another candidate, even if that WASN'T the original intent of this person? Youtube is a public, not private forum.

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http://www.thephilosophyofliberty.com/

I might be niave but I think you are being paranoid lol

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

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Disagree about what exactly?

What point do you actually disagree with me on?

He should make the video : We agree.
Freedom is for all : We agree.

You are having an emotional reaction to facts presented. You are not in fact in disagreement with anything I have said, up to this point. I think you feel a need to argue, because you wish the reality of people/life was different. But in reality, you haven't disagreed, rebutted or taken issue with anything I have said.

So we can agree to agree and end it if you like.

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Really? You know of gay

Really? You know of gay people who support Santorum?! I have a really hard time believing that.