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Southward bound: How do we sway the evangelicals?

I've been trolling around some conservative sites lately (especially Free Republic) and am increasingly surprised at the anti RP comments i am seeing. Now that the primary schedule is southward bound I wonder if there is a strategy to deal with the small but powerful slice of the GOP that is very vocal against Paul.

To begin with, I've spent a lot of time in the south. I have family and friends in Mississippi and SC and most southern folks are just wonderful, very magnanimous and friendly. Yet there are a few whom I would describe as nothing more than the Christian equivalent of jihadists. You know the type, the "kill em all and let God sort em out" crowd. These folks honestly believe that anyone who covers their head is a mortal enemy. They don't even know the difference between a Sikh and a Muslim, and they really couldn't care less, just want to kill them. There is no talking to them and no reasoning with someone like that. I engaged one person from Alabama who told me that Dr. Paul should be thrown in Guantanamo along with the "towelheads that he loves". He said that just after telling me how he is a lifelong Republican conservative and local party rep, and that he carries a picture of GWB in his wallet. Others had even harsher criticism which I do not care to repeat. I can live with them calling Dr Paul a "nutcase" and a "fruit loop" but this goes too far.

While it really makes me sad to know that these ignorants are our fellow Americans and GOP brethren, I am more concerned that they are a major obstacle on our path to the nomination.

Have any of you fellow DPers had any success at dealing with this ignorance and hatred that exists in the GOP? Is there a campaign strategy to turn some of these evangelicals around or do we just ignore them?

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YOU MUST SHOW THEIR CANDIDATE IS NOT A CHRISTIAN

Many times this also involves convincing them that their (Satanic Bloodthirsty NeoCon) Pastor is not really a Christian also.

RON PAUL is the only one that actually acts like a Christian, a man of peace and strength.

Christians in the south are very quick to accept the Pharisee's (NeoCon Pastor's) opinions about a candidate.

This is actually how Jesus Himself ended up CRUCIFIED by those who claimed God but followed evil men instead to the point of killing God's Son... dangerous stuff.

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Short answer:

by tactfully pointing out the inherent corruption and hypocrisy in the other candidates' imperial crusade-like actions.

We've had enough war. Religious and otherwise.

We need to communicate the facts to the evangelicals

The evangelicals are looking for the most biblical, Christ like candidate. If we can communicate this fact past the media spin the choice is evident, its Ron Paul. Bob Jones of Bob Jones University was just on Candy Crowley. He said Romney is not a Christian. He is a Mormon which is one of the four basic Abrahamic religions, thats not Evangelical christian. Newt Gingrichs life history cannot be considered Christ like to the evangelicals, in fact in the old days of Vatican one he would have been excommunicated from the Catholic church for the affairs and multiple divorces. Santorums vitriolic hatred, racism and war mongering against the Muslims cannot, IMO be considered Christ like. Christs only violent act was to throw the money changers from the church. (RP wants the money changers out of the government) Perry has not been closely examined, but there is baggage. That leaves Ron Paul, his life history, marriage, pro-life position, peace message and honesty is the most Christ like of all the candidates. So given the facts Evangelicals should support RP, assuming of course they are true to their faith. That fact just needs to be communicated to them.

I just think it

is simple: Non Constitution, no freedom of religion. Choose.

mickey45

Tell them about Jesus and

that you died and came back to life. Tell them that when you died, you talked to Jesus and Jesus told you that Ron Paul was the "one." Tell them that Jesus told you to vote for Ron Paul and that they should too.

If I had the power

I would rapture them all, immediately (or whatever it is that they pray for). They cannot differentiate lies from the truth. They have no ability to discern fact from fiction. They are mostly one issue voters. I mean, look at who they are backing... Santorum? They believe that the world should sacrifice itself to protect Israel (no matter what atrocities they commit), when the state of Israel is actually the world's single greatest enemy and obstacle to world peace, using the U.S. as its enforcer.

The answer to your question: Evangelical cannot be swayed. They truly pray 'very hard' for Armageddon. And you know, they just may get what they are praying for. I weep for them.

Evangelicals, are mostly pro war and pro death and destruction to everyone not sharing their beliefs. So, exactly, how many people would Jesus murder in His name. Whatever happened to the LOVE that Jesus supposedly professed?

Famous quote by one of my greatest heroes: “There are many causes I would die for. There is not a single cause I would kill for.” ― Mahatma Gandhi (this is exactly my philosophy as well)

The really sad thing is that these Evangelicals do not realize that Israel is under the complete domination and control of the Zionists. Just like the corporate United States currently is. Zionists are not Jews/Israelis), they are imposters.

I know that this post will be deleted. Have at it mods. I have thick skin. And NO, I am NOT anti-Semitic, racist or any of those other slanderous labels. Personally, I have no use for religious zealots of any religion. All you so-called Christians out there can gang up on me as well. You're all very good at that. I still love you all.

“Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves.”― Henry David Thoreau

Right before

the N.H. primary I got a call from someone at the N.H. right to life that endorsed Paul. I tried calling them but they do not answer there phone so I couldn't confirm it. I think it said it was paid for by Paul campaign.

On the other hand when I talked to the National right to life at the straw poll I went to in N.H. they said they would never endorse Paul. While I was talking to him about this he kept stopping and talking to others that were coming up to his table for the next 15 minutes. Finally i walked away as I was not worth his time.

Remember to use the bill (don't know the bill name) that Paul put in for the congress that would have ended Roe vs Wade with just a congress approval which happened to be when the gop had the house and senate. How corrupt can they be. Don't answer that as we all know the answer.

From Family Forum Debate

This indicates the depth of his knowledge and faith. The others just say Christian "talking points" to score political points. Shame on them!

Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QsGIGLbCI4

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"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

Dr.Paul

is not a Pharisee. He doesn't buddy up with those who want to use law to make other people behave morally. Dr.Paul believes the best way to get people to behave morally is to do so himself and lead by example. He also advocates treating others (both on the individual level as well as nation state level) as he would want to be treated.

One of the key things to swaying Evangelicals is to inadvertently point out their hypocritical, Pharisaical ways without outright saying it to their face.

Dr.Paul sounds a LOT more like he's actually accepted Christ as his Saviour than someone like say....Santorum....who has expressed his joy at the US involvement in blowing up Iranian nuclear scientists as well as voting to fund Planned Parenthood.

Here's my suggestion...

I say once ANY type of voter understands the ramifications of the breakdown of the current monetary system that they won't in good conscience be able to vote for anyone other than Dr. Paul. I just made a post on it. I don't know if it's improper to link to a thread that I made on how to bridge the gap between us and those who disagree on foreign policy which includes a majority of evangelicals but i'll put it on here as it's relavant. I'll also say that with the Fed issue/sound money you can quote the bible on honest weights and measures and compare it to Jesus chasing the corrupt money changers from the temple. I'd also recommend the campaign's official 'Man Of Faith' hand out. http://www.dailypaul.com/204357/breakthrough-technique-for-w... http://www.ronpaul2012.com/store/slim-jim-4x9-issue-card-pac... I think both of these things are a huge start. Explain also that if they followed Ron's advice and allowed states to enforce the murder laws on the books already instead of holding out for a constitutional amendment that millions of lives could have been saved by now.

Three Things

1. See http://www.dailypaul.com/203902/today-i-sent-this-letter-to-...

2. I'd emphasize that while he is a man of deep faith, he is humble and believes it would be exploitive to wear it on his sleeve for political gain -- unlike some other candidates.

3. I'd recommend they read Liberty Defined.

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"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

Tell them....

If those who are currently living in Israel are indeed "God's chosen people", then HE will protect them, as he has promised. They don't need our help. There's nothing we can to protect them better than God can......

The key to winning, maybe most especially in the

South, is taking control of the foreign (military) policy argument. We must launch an all-out effort to communicate RP's true position on the proper role of our military. We all know that RP is in no way weak on the issue of national defense, but the perception of military weakness successfully spread around by his detractors has really hurt-especially down here IMO. Believe me, as a native Southerer with roots going back at least 300 years, this issue is absolutely key.

Quinquagenarians for Ron Paul! Who says that you can't teach old dogs new tricks?

military military military

got to talk about - most donations from active duty folks
got to talk about - not only protecting us from harm but protecting our service folks who are hurt, mamed or killed because of these undeclared wars.
Most importantly - Ron was in the military! Romney, Santorum and Gingrich were not, ever. How do they know the sacrafice and danger they are so ready to put on others.

that's my 2 cents

States Rights

I am from SC. The religious right is deeply embedded in SC and they are a hard-headed lot. Ron Paul will not pander to a group that is used to being pandered. They like their politicians war mongering on foreign policy, like Low-T Lindsey.

But, more than just about ANYTHING, they love their 10th amendment. Their ancestors lost their lives over it.

For Dr Paul to ease up in SC, the mantra must be STATES RIGHTS. South Carolina wants sovereignty and independence so they can be self deterministic. That is what Dr. Paul should be selling there. Appeal to their long history on this topic.

This is where we need to focus our efforts

Evangelical and Neo-conservative. If we can find an effective way to win that crowd over then RP sails to victory.

The 2 biggest reasons for those people to oppose us is

1. Middle East
2. Drug Wars

Educating Neoconservatives about Drug Wars
http://www.dailypaul.com/200906/educating-neoconservatives-a...

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"Take hold of the future or the future will take hold of you." -- Patrick Dixon

The key talking point for the

The key talking point for the drug war issue is to talk about securing the border-- Ron Paul promotes a strong border here at home. Why are we wasting resources worrying about Syria's borders when we have drug cartels causing violence on ours? And why are they causing violence? Our drug war keeps them in business and our weak border gives them easy access. The government is doing nothing, and is suing states who try to take matters into their own hands to fight back. Operation Fast and Furious, folks.

He needs to play the video

He needs to play the video with his patients, talking about how good a christian man he is. Done...next!

I would emphasize

that if congress would pass Dr. Paul's bill on abortion it would probably be illegal in half the states within a year. I would also talk about saving social Security and medicare by shoring them up with other spending cuts. Really Dr. Paul is the only one who will save social security and medicare. Otherwise they will go banrupt at some point. Ironic that the man who doesn't believe in those programs will be the one to save them.

The south worries me, i.e. South Carolina

Especially the older generation 65 and older-- they haven't a clue about Ron Paul. They are the television generation and vote for whom the commentators tell them to. Researching the internet is essentially non-existent. I saw in the exit polling last night, I believe Dr. Paul only got like 12% of the 65 and older group. This has to change and quickly. These voters are apt to go to the polls and to vote along party lines and of course the MSM nominee is Romney so this is whom they will vote for. I haven't a clue how to resolve the evangelical problem. Talking about a group of individuals who avoid researching their candidate. Take JimBob Duggar, who immediately clings onto Santorum because afterall he is "The Jesus Candidate". These people scare me because so many of them will not even consider Ron Paul because the MSM tells them who they are supposed to support.

This

This video:

http://youtu.be/3tYk5mEli68

and the rest in the series communicates to all christian groups the case for Ron Paul. After watching all videos they will be left with no excuse not to vote for Ron Paul. I found it to be an amazing series.

Best summarization....

I came across this series of vids just the other day and could not sign up to the forum due to a 403 page error.

These vids are inspiring and state concisely for any of the Christian persuasion to understand. I looked for sites centered around SC to try and post these in forums but have not been able to find any. If anyone has any suggestions on where we can promote these to the Christian voters of SC I will get on it.

It is young men and women like the creator of this vid series that gives me the most hope for our future. It's going to take a lot of folks to carry this torch.

Skunk

"Criticizing Ron Paul for not passing bills in Congress is like criticizing a nun in a whore house for not turning tricks. He was there to stop the "whoring," not become one!" ~ Blake Buffington

Wow, great series of vids

Thanks!

Mathew 5 and Mathew 22

The "church" has been corrupted by the war mentality since Constantine IMHO.
This has been working of me maybe 50 percent success. I have lost some friends and gained others by "preaching" this truth.

Matthew 22:36-40

New International Version (NIV)

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Matthew 5

Introduction to the Sermon on the Mount
1 Now when Jesus saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and sat down. His disciples came to him, 2 and he began to teach them.
The Beatitudes
He said:
3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called children of God.
10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

Salt and Light
13 “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.
14 “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.

The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Murder
21 “You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder,[a] and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ 22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister[b][c] will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’[d] is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.
23 “Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother or sister has something against you, 24 leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to them; then come and offer your gift.

25 “Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court. Do it while you are still together on the way, or your adversary may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison. 26 Truly I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny.

Adultery
27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’[e] 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.
Divorce
31 “It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’[f] 32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
Oaths
33 “Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not break your oath, but fulfill to the Lord the vows you have made.’ 34 But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne; 35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. 36 And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. 37 All you need to say is simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.[g]
Eye for Eye
38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[h] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
Love for Enemies
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[i] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

steve

Do you know if they will be voting for ROMNEY?

Because if they are, he is a Mormon. I only bring this up, because not many "Christians" even know the basic beliefs of a Mormon and just how different they are from bible-believing Christians in the South.

It is a HUGE DIFFERENCE.

But, if you're saying they'll vote for Grinch or the vote will be split, I don't know what to say.

I just know that while celestial beings and gods on other planets might be a turn-on for New Agers, it would be a turn-off for Evangelicals.

One thing that might resonate

One thing that might resonate with them is the Just War Theory. Many who call themselves Evangelicals are pretty bloodthirsty. They think that this is compatible with what they claim are their Christian ethics. They have bought into the same argument the Middle Eastern terrorist espouse. Those who disagree, particularly in religious matters are evil, and killing them is favored by God.

Obviously this is contrary to the Just War Doctrine, but many of these people are robots who follow some religious leader, just as in the Middle East. It's really kind of ironic how similar some of them are to the people who they hate!

No, they're not involved in suicide bombing, but their opinions are very similar. They need to be able to understand the difference between the terrorists who are trying to kill anyone who believes differently from them, be they Christian, Jewish or Muslim, and the majority in the Middle East who don't want to kill anyone.

It's very easy for politicians, including "religious leaders" to get people to hate some other group. That's why we have wars. If there is one thing that politicians excel in it is creating hatred. And that's what we need to oppose.

Hit them where it counts~~~their POCKETBOOKS

Ask them:

How are you gonna feel when the economy is destroyed due to all this money printing?

How will you feel when a loaf of bread is $20? OR a tank of gas is $200?

Will spending money on the WAR PROFITEERS satisfy you then?

Tell them RON PAUL in a TV ad, will NOT CUT DEFENSE.... but he WILL CUT the WAR PROFITEERING!!

bump this idea!

Fire and Brimstone

That should be something they recognize.

donvino

I am surrounded by this sort

I am surrounded by this sort of thing...it has been my experience that the same people who are Christians saying to "kill all the ragheads" hardly ever know any scripture! Learn what Jesus had to say about wars and use scripture to open their eyes. If someone wants to use their Christian faith as a reason to blow up another person or country, show them what is written in their Bible. Show them the truth! There are a lot of Americans who go to Christian churches every Sunday and they don't ever open a Bible! They are told that "the Middle East is BAD and our involvement overseas is to protect Christianity".
Naive? Maybe? So what, it works for me.