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Stop saying "The Young People" - Please RP!

Please RP!!!!!!! Please!!!

Imagine if whenever RP (or Rand) was interviewed he said something like "When I see these rich people out here, that's what REALLY excites me!!! The rich people really understand the message of liberty!"

Insert any adjective in the place of "young" - you will see that you guarantee making everyone who doesn't fall into that category to feel less important and less visible to the campaign - and you create the impression that all others are NOT coming out (which is not true at all!!) Multiply by saying it hundreds of times - this is not helpful! I just heard for at least the hundredth time...

Also, it makes you appear old in comparison! (when you're the "youngest" man on the stage!!)

This one sound byte is destructive to the growth of the movement. I understand that young people excite RP the most - and I understand why. But PLEASE RP, I'm begging you - keep that one bit of bias to yourself for now! :)




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well in his defense

when youre in your 70s- theyre ALL young people ;)

LOL!

I love it!

I have

noticed the last week or more he has started saying all different ages. So someone is reading the DP.

The Mention of Youth: Looking for Balance

About two weeks ago I commented on this subject. I have to say, I think RP's toned down his rhetoric about the youth. I noticed it started right about then, too.

I think RP mentioning the young is a'ok, but I have a gripe with it. Until recently he said it often. My wish is he says it a fair amount of times instead of many times. Two recommendations to keep the youth recognition and praise in balance:

1) when the environment is youthful or is meant to attract the youth
2) when in REPLY to a question about the youth

Otherwise, speak about freedom and that people of all backgrounds are coming to RP because he talks about freedom. Keep the message freedom at the forefront.

Those two recommendations should cut the youth talk down substantially, going from a lot to fair, to balance.

I see nothing wrong targeting a demographic. To deny discussing a demographic when the opportunity presents itself would be to say there's no difference between that demographic and people not in that demographic. After all, we're not talking substance here but characteristic differences (which qualify as superficial, which here I don't mean are insignificant) that draw in a people. To do what? To encourage them to think about the message freedom, that most beautiful state man is born in to or should be born in to and in which he thrives.

Discussion about youth's involvement is important because if nothing else it's the glue factions use to fortify themselves. So, it would be a good idea for this faction, freedom, to attract the youth. But let's mention the youth when the time is right, is all.

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton F. Dutton

Addendeum to Mention of Youth

Regarding demographics, to not acknowledge them is to say we all are the same, which we are not.

There are differences among us and a tenent of freedom -- which RP discusses -- is tolerance, which comes from communication, a communication on the individual level voluntarily, therefore mutually.

Just wanted to clear up what I wrote. I reread it thinking what I wrote was downing differences, especially ones characteristic because I described them as superficial. When I typed superficial, I meant behavior, yes, but not in the way to demean behavior but to understand it beyond first interaction to understand the person, an outside-to-inside relationship or a surface-to-core relationship, if you will.

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton F. Dutton

Susie 4 Liberty's picture

I understand exactly what you're saying....

Leads to a false impression, in my opinion. And there've been a number of times on a discussion Board when I've had to 'attempt' to correct the claim made by his Critics re this very thing.

Susie 4 Liberty

I called a list of 28 RP supporters in my town today

for the first time. I am 45 and all of them are older than me. most where in their 50's and 60's. Non of them where younger than 40. Don't believe the lies.

Newer Voters.

Any voter is as informed as they have learned to become. Does not matter the age, rather if one cares to know.

One could be 40 and, never followed politics or voted then, now, they lost their career, have much time, and want answers; they learn. Compare to the 19 yr. old who's had internet at fingertips always, had network of people who did care to know, already have greater understanding.

Here, we don't care for the "cookie cut outs" labeled upon us but, then, our own use the terminology that categorizes.
This is the language that the sheep have become accustom to hearing. They will need to smell the grain to turn head.

Ron Paul is the HOPE of the older voter!

Ron Paul is the only candidate who has a viable plan to fund Social Security and Medicare for those who are dependent on it. It is not possible to keep these programs running without cutting overseas spending. Ron Paul submitted bills to prohibit the government from transferring money from Social Security into the general fund.

When they ask him why his bills don't get passed, he should mention this one. The congress did not want to protect Social Security. They wanted an easy way to fund their deficit spending. It's interesting that when Newt talks of his role in balancing the budget, it was actually balanced by large transfers from Social Security.

Also, the Fed's inflationary policies are to blame for the declining purchasing power of the dollar. This is most devastating to folks like retired seniors on a fixed Social Security income!

I can't figure out why this is not mentioned more in debates, ads, news releases, etc. It seems a powerful approach to raise Ron Paul in the sight of seniors, and shed light on Newt's "budget balancing".

Correct! It's not accurate.

I see all ages in attendance of his events. Except for college events. Give yourself credit - you have followers from all age groups! Please hire professional staff to monitor all this voter fraud!

So how could we frame this better?

I don't have the exact right words, but he could say, instead, something about how people who are smart and think things through get the message.

As I said, those aren't the right words, either, but it WOULD be good to come up with a semi-standard phrase to refer to the desirable characteristic or characteristics which Ron Paul supporters share.

That is one reason I always like to hear Ron Paul mention "the Constitution". Most people -- even people who have never read the Constitution and don't really even know what it says -- recognize that "the Constitution" is good and special. I was talking to my hair stylist the other day and she didn't know who Ron Paul was nor whether she should support him.

I asked her what she thought of "the Constitution" and immediately realized she was over her comfort level. So I backed up and asked her if she thought "the Constitution" was good ... or bad. She said with a lot more assurance, "Good!" So then I was able to ask her if she thought it would be "good" or "bad" if the government followed the Constitution. "Good!" And away we went!!

Folks, an amazing number of people really don't know ANYTHING substantial about what is in the Constitution, much less the Bill of Rights, and they BELIEVE that "economics" is beyond them. But most -- probably all -- are educable if we chunk things properly and pace and lead. And, yes, most of these people can vote .... This is both the challenge and the opportunity.

Bill of Rights /Amendment X: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Do you need a politician or judge to "interpret" those 28

ps, almost forgot I told several hair stylists I'd get brochures

for them so they could read up on why RP is soooo cool.

Is the "super brochure" the best one and can I get it in small quantities?

Bill of Rights /Amendment X: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Do you need a politician or judge to "interpret" those 28

Absolutely Correct!!!

Because who else likes to point out the youth vote. The Main Stream Press. And why? Because Obama also vied for the youth vote and they turned out for him in droves last election. In the eyes of the PTB, by attaching Paul to the youth vote they are putting him on the side of Obama. Paul has already been labeled "left of Obama" in the debates and on "news" talk shows and now he willingly praises the demographic that elected Obama.

We know that the "youths" Paul talks about mostly are not the ones who elected Obama but perception is the name of the game and this hurts Paul as long as he let's that image stand. Not only does he need to quit coddling the youth vote but he needs to actively court the "older" vote. They want what Paul promises but it's like he isn't talking to them/us sometimes.

My neighbor just turned 80 and he and his wife will vote for Dr Paul not because they are more intelligent than other older people but because they are better informed, by me. Paul and his campaign need to take some of the blame for their poor numbers with the older voter.

Modernity has trained us to think in terms of

egalitarianism. We have come to believe that everyone is the same, no matter the obvious differences, and that no one or no one group can be praised or criticized or even have observances made about them. People have been trained to have their feelings hurt if they were not included somehow in a praise or even an observation. This goes against normal life and speech and makes for irrational thinking and communication.

Perhaps what RP means when he makes an observation about young people is lost on those who have been brainwashed by modernity. He is the one who is communicating in a normal, rational, and logical way. If you can't understand this, then your understander is faulty.

I am old - and I do hear

I am old - and I do hear "older" people say he gets the younger vote because they want to leaglize drugs and want anarchy. It doesn't help him bring everyone into the fold. An older person is not going to vote for him because "he brings in the younger crowd" - in fact it is probably a turn-off.

I disagree,

rather than stop saying "The young people", he might want to add "AND freedom loving people of all ages" or something like that. The youth has been a huge part of his ever growing following and to stop including them in his statements may also appear as a slight. Everyone likes to feel appreciated, especially the young. I'm in my sixties and admire the young people who are paying attention to the issues and doing so much work to spread Dr. Paul's message of liberty as they work to protect their future and they should be commended for doing so.

What's wrong with "The people who support me"?

There really is no benefit to using a qualifier.

I admire the heck out of "the young people" as well. Makes me so proud to be among them. I think that's why RP says it so often - but its bad marketing.

GOOD RULE of THUMB on this and similar

If the MEDIA runs with a meme-run against it. If the MEDIA runs against a MEME-Run with it.

Some examples of MEDIA memes they are running with,(because they harm RP/Us) and we have, thus far, assisted and perpetuated:

"Young Voters"
"MOVEMENT"
"libertarian"
"spreading a message"
"NOT Republican"
"NOT Conservative"

Regardless of whether there is any degree of truth or basis in fact to any characterizations-IF our MEDIA ENEMIES use it DON'T use it.

Be Smart and help our chances

OR

Be Stubbornly promoting group pride, narrowly partisan, etc. and harm our chances.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

Good observation

I agree.

If "the young people" are ever to be mentioned, it should only be in the context of:

"The reason that the majority of younger people vote for me is because they tend to be internet savvy; they tend to get their news and information from the internet; they don't rely on the traditional MSM for their news; they're not being brainwashed by the special-interests agenda of the MSM; so they learn the truth of all of the negative aspects of big government; they learn the virtues of freedom and liberty, and as a result are flocking to my message."

This post is a few weeks old

and I noticed a change in the way he phrases things already.
Thanks, Doc!

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2013/05/12/18212165-dr-stan-...

I bumped it because he just said it on Greta.

Bless you, RP. You have every right to value your youth vote - all of us do. I know it's hard not to say, but please try. It's a strictly marketing thing. You are limiting your market.

True. It even makes me a

True. It even makes me a little "off" when he says that, being as I was pretty old 4 years ago and older now. :)

4 years younger

Now you are 4 years younger.

Creativity is the key.

Don't Speak. Act!

So, be an oldster for Paul!

I'm 54.

I have no problem with what he is saying.

Ron Paul tells the truth.

Do you?

I am 48

but I am sure RP still considers us young people..lol My mom was his age and she called anyone under 60 a kid.

Yup

But NOT the MSM

They (MSM) try to twist this into a sort of "Pen!s Envy"
thing...I'm just shy of 60...and have trained and worked with "my youngsters"
..young men in the 22-30-something age group.
I was successful with them and they made me feel like a "Ron Paul-kinda guy"...I was their "Dutch Uncle" also!

Mom just turned 93...I'm still a "kid" to her.
When I take her to "the doctor's"? HE tells her to
"Keep yellin' at me"!.....LOL!

Dr Paul?....DO SOME YELLIN' !!!!!!

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Keep bumping

until Paul gets the message.

I agree. It does alienate

I agree. It does alienate some older voters. Because they automatically think that Paul is just for young voters... he needs to just say freedom is good for everyone. period.

Imagine he said older voters all the time.

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

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The "young" demographic is supposed to be the choicest because that demographic represents the future. This is the coveted demographic that Obama claims as his own...for him it is gold, for Ron paul it is worthless because the media paints the Ron Paul "young people" as mindless drug-addicts. The media is using the "young people" rhetoric against him - surprise, surprise.

If I were the "young people" I would be furious at this moniker.

Perhaps saying something like "When I see all the generations coming together to fight for our future...", that would better unite us.

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul