Huge RP Rally Planned for Chicago!
Submitted by primo1 on Tue, 09/11/2007 - 12:42
Details are TBA, but the campaign plans a swing through the Windy City on 9/22 on the return trip from Mackinac Island. Check the Greater Chicago Meetup regularly for details as they are announced.
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Apology not necessary
I think it's actually good that RP fans make sure that he's staying principled. It's when you have a large unquestioning mass that I begin to get worried.
Let's get some proportion
We're talking about $1000. I live on a modest income, and even I could afford this (I guess saving money does that to you). Almost any middle class person who isn't financially retarded could afford this. This fundraiser is open to anyone and everyone that has the money until they run out of room. It's not like they are specifically saying only business owners and the like can come in. I also predict that the speech will be available online to watch.
We have to realize that he's becoming very popular, and he needs to cash in on this. There aren't any venues big enough to hold everyone that wants to see him. Now if there are "secret" meetings with people or other funny business, then yes, that should be investigated, but I don't really see a problem with this. (No, I do not plan on attending this, though I plan on donating)
Properly EATING my hat...
I am rescinding and dispelling all of my doubts and properly EATING my own hat... almost literally.
I just made the $1K donation and the accompanying reservation, and will be attending the Chicago event myself, (where anyone wanting to chastise me for my doubts, will receive a full apology and the appropriate abasement on my part).
You've all convinced me that my attitude was wrong and that I was nit-picking, over-reacting, and seeing phantoms where there are none.
So, in apology, I have put my money where my mouth was. Mayhaps this (honest) doubting & (sincere) repentance will come to the good if others are (were?) thinking along the same lines.
Cheers all... and you can stop the chastisement now (or begin anew with accusations of "hypocrite" if you want... ; - )
RP will do that to you.
Isn't it great having someone like RP representing us. He sure has given us a great example to live up to. You're not a hypocrite, your just excited like we all are about what's happening. We all do crazy things when we're excited. I've had several "what would RP do?" moments myself lately.
"But make allowance for their doubting too..."
Ah the wisdom of Kipling's IF...
{Wishing I hadn't posted that last "YES, and that is what bother me" post -- I have tried to edit/delete but DailyPaul hosting problems strike again... and it refuses to allow me to edit my own post.}
SO...
AFTER posting that, I read through everyone's replies/posts (should have done THAT first I guess...) then rethinking on all of this, and just getting off the phone with JB at RP HQ... I am MUCH less inclined to smell any rats here...and more inclined to think I was over-reacting (you were spot-on Lehrboy) and making mountains out of mole-hills.
I have to remember that RP is emphatically *not* like "W" or even RR -- he has PROVEN that to me with a FULL lifetime of integrity lived and walked as well as "talked". And in point of fact if anyone has a right to feel bitterness over the '80 RR, the '96 Newt and '00 W betrayals, it is probably Ron... and eminently much less so me.
BTW, Everyone else's posts have helped -- the empathy that others (freeman, vman45) were also somewhat bothered by the email title versus content -- just in itself helped.
Lehrboy's comment about the $1K event is taken to heart... while I'm not hugely flush with overflowing amounts of cash, it *IS* within my reach, and since I was contemplating maxing out anyway... heck it would be a nice bday present. (And Hobbits are supposed to expect that celebrating their own bday will COST them money, right?)
Freeman, you're also right. I *believe* in this man, he has earned my trust and my wholehearted respect with over 20 years of dedicated, unwavering, in-your-face dedication to the his own principles -- the principles this country was founded on and which made it great among the nations... If I can't throw my hat in (fully) with him, then there is no hope left.
So forward to 1600! Full steam ahead!
YES, and that is what bother me
You said: Wealthy Donors Want One-on-One Another aspect of this, I think, is the fact that individuals willing to donate large lump sums of $$ may want and expect a less frenzied atmosphere at which to bend the candidate's ear on issues important to him or her.
Exactly, and as such it smacks of "pay to play" and that such ilk. Especially the "private briefing" title... which implies a "smoke filled back room" where the "adults" will go to talk, while the "kiddies" are left to shout and play outside without "bothering" the adults. Will the "private briefing" be videotaped and youtubed like other events? If NOT then why not?
The goal can NOT be simply raising money, since small $ from 10,000's of donors can (and has -- witness the MeetUp competition) generate MORE money than $1k donations from a small number of people (Ironically, I will call as witness the income tax -- it steals relatively "small" {to rich people} amounts of money from the large volume of the populace -- and raises more in that way than heavily taxing the relatively few of the "elite").
As to raising Millions and Millions, he's been doing pretty well at spontaneous giving, sans the coercive and pander tatics of standard politicos. To me walking down that "traditional" path at all is poisonous to the soul, and becomes inherently corrupting to the campaign at multiple levels (i.e the influence isn't merely or even most significantly on RP himself, but rather what effect it has in co-opting and "re-educating" his main campaign people).
It could also have a NEGATIVE effect on RP's existing donor base. I was an early supporter, and made a $500 donation in March (RP donor #7 from my state), another in July, and I **WAS** planning to continue with another in October & December/January to "top out" at $2300.
Now the campaign is essentially "demanding" my October money "now" (sorry I don't go in for pressure tactics) -- and if they are seeking lots of SmokeFilled room donations (which I could technically afford, but reject "on principle" as corrupt and corrupting) then the campaign is in many ways "rejecting" my TYPE of donation as no longer critical -- and as a result is risking insulting me (and my "type" of donor) and will *potentially* go bereft of all of the remaining donations I was planning on making (much less my work locally).
In addition, I have been making significant efforts and time donations locally and am [was?] funding, preparing, and on the very cusp of rolling out a really cool idea for grassroots campaigning that everyone could do, and which has significant "potential" for a large impact nationwide. (Of course maybe I'm deluded on the value of that idea... but the potential is there, and if I abandon it, that potential will be lost--like a winning lottery ticket never purchased).
Now -- because of several things I'm seeing in the "HQ" campaign -- and surprisingly to even myself, I am beginning to question whether it would be wiser to wait or set aside all of that, and see whether this campaign IS being co-opted or not. (Sorry just speaking my TRUE thoughts and doubts directly out loud here.)
Guess it's just that I have always had a "cat-like" ability to sense the presence of a rat in the room -- normally long before anyone else has a clue...most often the rat HAS subsequently been exposed (BTW, I *never* supported GWB as I smelled the *rat* right away and knew the entire campaign platform was a smoke screen; and that his "christianity" was a sucker's bet to get the ReligRight onto his team. Was I not correct?). Now true, I have also been wrong sometimes, and no rat has become visible, but as I have been right substantially more often than wrong... (at least as far as I know -- again maybe I'm deluding myself and am way offbase).
So, I'm just getting really concerned here... and while not solid in my change of attitude, am growing very bothered by what I'm seeing.
(BTW, the irony is that absolutely NO ATTACK on RP from the outside would worry me anywhere near as much as the liklihood of this inside-team co-opting does. Reagan's whole campaign was infiltrated and co-opted by the Bush league, which effectively negated nearly the entire value of Reagan's original ideals and team -- and eventually led us to the NWO of GHWB and the neocons into positions of importance.)
Have Faith
To reject this method on principle is, I think, a little rash. As I understand it, these are still individuals making individual donations. Just because they may be willing to pay for a more intimate setting does not necessarily mean they have designs on the campaign message or messenger. Suggesting that certain groups would stop supporting RP for participating in this sounds like a strong-arm technique. He, unfortunately, needs to raise money, and a lot of it. Yesterday was reportedly the campaign's best fundraising day by far. I, for one, am thrilled. I think you need to have more confidence in RP's strength of character and clear ability to resist corrupting influences.
Thanks for the advice AND the chastisement!
I think you need to have more confidence in RP's strength of character and clear ability to resist corrupting influences.
Absolutely correct. His character is proven. And I was not really ever questioning that -- more concerned about the character of the "inner team" and whether THEY are as resistant as he is.
Talking with JB was beneficial in that regard... RP's core team seem to be solid men who have proven themselves to him over many years in this regard... so I need to trust that he trusts and has the ability to choose the right people, people with integrity like his own (and if anything is harder than having integrity oneself, it *is* just that... being able to discern and find, earn the trust of, and build a team of such people.)
It is an even rarer thing than integrity itself... and while I'm certain RP has made errors in this regard over the years -- no man being perfect -- I am also certain he has learned important lessons along the way and improved his own ability to "find gold" and bring only it aboard his core team.
So, thanks for the advice... and the chastisement. Both were necessary and helpful.
Wealthy Donors Want One-on-One
Another aspect of this, I think, is the fact that individuals willing to donate large lump sums of $$ may want and expect a less frenzied atmosphere at which to bend the candidate's ear on issues important to him or her. I personally don't fit into that category, but can understand the concept. At this point, generating huge crowds everywhere RP goes is just as important. So spread the word, and have your friends meet us in Chicago!!!
$1,000 Part of the Game
It takes money to be considered a "serious candidate." Ron Paul will not be taken seriously unless he is raising millions, not hundreds of thousands.
If you want Ron Paul to get more exposure and be considered a "real candidate", raising millions is a necessary propaganda tool. Also remember, Ron cannot campaign all week every week, he still has a job in the House.
We all know Ron does not refuse to talk and meet with poor people. These $1000 functions are just part of the game. If you want him to keep running, he has to raise money quickly.
Yes, some parts of Ron's campaign are becoming more traditional..but that style of campaigning is traditional for a reason; it works.
Am I alone...
...in being bothered by the $1000 per seat type events?
Or the "Campaign Fundraising Update" letter that was sent, which provide no "update" of information TO me... merely somewhat insisting that if I was planning on donating more, it needed to be done "now"... in exact words it said:
Some how that (in combination with $1000 per head appearances) strikes me as strange. Can't say exactly why... just a gut feel that there is a subtle "standard politico dishonesty element" creeping in...
By that I mean something as subtle as the title of that email... it COULD have been titled "Urgent Funding Request" or "3rd Qtr Fundraising coming to close...Request for final donations" both of which would have honestly reflected the content of the letter. Which contained absolutely no "update" information whatsoever.
Nothing wrong with the email's title, nor with it's content... just that the two did NOT belong together... i.e. the cover did NOT match the content.
That is NOT Ron Paul... but it *is* standard politico operative work. Same with having $1K per person events. With RP's enthusiastic following, you could raise the same TOTAL dollar amount (or more) by having a $100 per person event and allowing in 10 or 20 times the number of people. Raising the bar to $1K is a specific "exclusionary" tactic, again, not RP (at least not in my experience) -- but definitely standard politico work.
There is a significant danger here... a line that is being crossed...(into politics as usual?). I suppose it was (is) inevitable. Somehow it strikes me as a change in direction, and in the end, a mistake; perhaps a fatal one.
Sorry for thinking & saying that out loud... but can't help the feeling that I've been "here" before, and seen this happen before, and my gut says it doesn't feel right. Am I just having a bad day or ???
Co-opted... that's the word.
God I really, truly, sincerely hope that I'm wrong about all the above.
$1000 fundraiser
I also received one of these, and noticed the gut reaction to the wording, but my reaction was softened somewhat by the words: "If you've been planning to make a donation...." In other words, they are not really begging for donations, per se, but are saying that if you were planning on donating anyway, to please donate sooner rather than later. This just reflects some of the political realities of what we are trying to accomplish, which is to make Dr. Paul the President of the United States. The next quarter ends on Sept. 30, and candidates need to report their last quarter political donations after that. It will definitely have an effect on how he is perceived: whether his support is growing or shrinking. If it's growing, he will get more press and credibility. If shrinking.....well, you know. ALSO, while I agree with you that you could get the same amount by having a $100 event and getting a lot more people, you can do both, no? Anyway, I certainly don't see it as a fatal line that has been crossed. I BELIEVE in my man, Ron Paul.Otherwise, I wouldn't be bothering. He has been MY MAN for nearly 20 years. I ain't gonna stop believin' in him now. you know what I mean?
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Letter...
I got the letter in the regular mail, undoubtedly from having donated before. Admittedly, it had the look and feel of a lot of those "letters" that never get opened, if you know what I mean. Keep in mind, though, that this is a campaign. In order to win the game, as it exists, you've got to play! Like it or not, big money will be needed to continue in earnest.
I think it is a positive sign. To me, it signals that the campaign has gone further than they thought it could and are they pouring on the steam. Additionally, the $1K dinners--also out of my league--are a positive sign. It means there are people willing to spend that much in lieu of straight donations. I think that will translate into good exposure.
Ultimately, the Internet love fest (no disrespect intended) we've been enjoying for the last few months needs to convert to real support. As long as the campaign doesn't lose touch with the grassroots element, I think it's all positive. However, it was WE who started the Internet phenomenon, not the campaign. Maybe we're out of step with them.
Not Alone
You are probably not alone in your complaint, but I think you might be over-reacting a bit. Technically speaking, I suppose one could defensibly include notification of fundraising activites and goals as being an integral part of campaigning, and therefore fair fodder for update type info. As for the exclusivity of the kilobuck per plate dinners and such... well, we'd all like to rub elbows with our heroes, but The Good Doctor is just one guy. He needs to eat, he needs to sleep, and he needs now and then not to be besieged by his adoring fans (like me.) If I want to share a table with him during this busy season of his, I should be ready to pony up. If the k$ is too rich for my blood, then I'll be satisfied with knowing the few hundred I sent his way is also helping.
Viva Agora!
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Details announced for major Chicago Rally 9/22!
Chicagoland is thrilled to welcome Ron Paul to a rally and fundraiser on September 22! Join us for what promises to be quite a party and likely Dr. Paul's largest crowd to date! For more details, go to
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/events or
http://ronpaul.meetup.com/94/
Both the Rally and Private Briefing will be held on Saturday, September 22, 2007 at:
The Hyatt Regency
151 East Wacker Drive,
Chicago, Illinois 60601
Ron Paul Rally
Time: 3:00-5:00PM
Price: Free
Private Briefing Fundraiser
Time: 5:00-7:00PM
Price: $1000
Chicago Rally 9/22!
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