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The African American vote- South Carolina and beyond

Saw this link from another post.

Fox News Exit Poll
Explore exit polls from New Hampshire 2012


One thing is quite clear, Republican voters are white. If RP can tap into the other ethnicities he can gain a real advantage over the rest of the field.

How do we get blacks,Hispanics, etc engaged and informed about RP? The end the drug war message can only go so far as the percentages of users are about the same as for whites. I also think that making this issue the focus in a way can be seen as demeaning by seeming that this is the only issue that effects them.

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Features and Benefits

Basic sales training is to distinguish between the feature and benefits of a product. In this case it's Liberty.
What at the benefits to minorities ( and everyone else) to stand up and speak out for Liberty?
People buy a product or an idea based on either the pleasure they'll receive or the pain they will avoid.

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

South Carolina is an open primary

So any registered voter, even if they normally identify with Democrats as I'm sure most African-Americans in SC do, can vote in the Republican primary.

African-Americans are patriotic, military-supporting, and concerned about their family's economic situation and opportunity just like all SC voters. I don't think Paul needs to do specific rhetorical outreach to them. But the campaign could no doubt do mailings or volunteer outreach to activate latent supporters.

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I think he was raised

I think he was raised Lutheran, but maybe he is Baptist now.

We must face the truth

to squarely deal and excise a persistently relevant issue to win:

Rhetorically speaking, RP has failed to remove a bully off the allegorical playground that 'kicked dirt' in the face of "welfare blacks" [ = newsletter quote]. He has similarly refused to extricate and confused a dragon that has scorched "attention seeking AIDS victims" at a cavern of the interior (ex. dismissively walking off an interview when prodded about the authored responsibility of his slur-laced publications and pointing the finger at journalists who expressed an interest in the story).

I have minority friends who were interested in RP's candidacy but have now lost belief in his public character.

As mentioned in other posts and relevant topics

1) he must salvage a smeared popular reputation by privately identifying the ghost-writer of the newsletters and disassociate with them until a public apology is made; this wins undecided votes of the ‘Left’

2) from this point forward he must exercise good moral judgment by returning monies donated from any self-identified racist group and publicly denounce their organization

3) he must rhetorically defend the innocent (ex. if someone says "I will kill you because you are black/gay/woman/Muslim etc") by citing forceful Constitutional policing (ex. 15th Amendment) when assuming the embodiment of principle in high office and its electorally granted power

I agree

Ron Paul should make a public statement about all the smears at one point. The timeline of the newsletters, the fact that he was a doctor at that time and the number of newsletters in comparison to the number with questioinable content.
We know that but the public thinks the newsletters were racist. period.
He also has to talk about donations from questionable people. I know he did talk about it in interviews, but the general public hears only the smears. Thanks media!
He also should make clear the intentions of those smears, he should not look defensive but he should speak out.

I think RP's actions and words

prove to most he is not a racist. I'm really interested in trying to figure out how to get minorities that statistically traditionally vote Democrat to listen to Paul. I'm a lifelong Dem/Indie and never gave the R's a second look until I caught a soundbyte of RP and watched a debate out of curiosity. I don't think its as much the racist claims so much as that they don't pay much attention to what's going on in the R party.

It is not enough politically

to say "trust me because I say so".

RP must exercise leadership by demonstrably proving that he is not the author and/or that he is not willing to pander/protect insider friends who are morally culpable for their own mistakes; individual responsibility is the very ideal of Libertarianism, is it not?

I agree

but proving he's not a racist still doesn't convince them to vote for him.


but why not turn the negative into a double-positive by properly passing such an ethical test and publicly doing the right thing?

Further still, wouldn't this issue resurface with serious political consequences and popular losses when contending President Obama in a debate?

when you tell the public that..

that you are going to pardon non violent drug users or you are going to lift the ban on weed well my friend the White and African youth are in there go Ron paul 2012

Personally, I think we should

Personally, I think we should skip the African American vote and concentrate more on the American Vote.

According to US Census bureau, there are:
16,101,000 registered Black voters in the United States, but 137,263,000 registered American Voters.

If we can get a majority of the American Vote, we don't even need the African American vote. As you can see, there are about 8 American voters to 1 African American Voter.

US Census Bureau Voter Stats

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Financial and Judicial Equality benefits everyone

Liberty benefits everyone across race, gender and age lines. We have to get past the Political Racism where the reds hate the blues and the blues hate the reds. Most sheeple vote on based on what's in it for me and align themselves to whichever party/gang will provide the most security and gain.

People need to be see the benefits of liberty as opposed to political imprisonment. Patrick Henry "give me liberty or give me death".

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

well I would say

that quoting that statistic right there is a way for Ron Paul to pick up over 16 million votes immediately...

While you attempted to make a non-racist non-group think

point, you failed miserably.

The African-American vote is included in the American vote. It isn't two separate groups. And I'm sure you know that, but you described it otherwise.

Voting is still a demographics game. Ron can't break that in one cycle. Deal with it.

Ron Paul can't ever break

Ron Paul can't ever break that cycle, only we can.

"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence

I get that, I just don't think this round worked.

I agree though, we need to find arguments that appeal to ALL voters, not just a certain demographic.

The big problem is that many Americans are well conditioned to think of themselves in groups now, not as individuals.

The message of true Liberty is a strong one for everyone, but it can be especially so for a group that has historically been treated as a group, if you frame the issue right. The first step, is to challenge the group think itself.

I don't think we can achieve that by even using terms like African American at all, much less doing so in a negative (if not tongue in cheek) fashion.

Let's just simply make the case, and leave race out of it.

should I have said the black American vote?

Every vote counts the same my friend. We have just as much chance of getting their votes as we do the right wing war mongering nutcases.

It just seems to me that a

It just seems to me that a voting groups of 137 million compared to 16 million is pretty obvious. (in other words, why not concentrate on EVERYONE, instead of singling out a specific group. Why don't we start seeing everyone as American, instead of X American, Y American, Z American...)

"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence

because 137 million divided by 6 candidates equals


no other R is getting minority votes.
16 million registered black voters could make a big difference and at the same time prove that RP is the best choice to beat Obama.

Divide and conquer, they've

Divide and conquer, they've obviously got you by the balls.

"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence

what is that supposed to mean?


Maybe you could convince the

Maybe you could convince the Black American to stop being Black, and just be American. If people are so concerned about eqaulity, that might try being equal, THINKING EQUAL. Abandon the Black Americans and join the Americans.

"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence

let me know how "stop being black" goes over

I give up

we are already there

I think is really going to send shock ways thru the Tabloid Press...

Run the "Compassion" ad

early and often.

New Hampshire and Ecuador.

He will free them -- finally

The establishment's policies have harmed minorities:

- decimated families
- imprisoned nonviolent males
- killed servicemen in unnecessary wars
- prohibited undercutting the established competition
- prevented moving your child to a good school
- increased teenage pregnancies
- killed millions of unborn
- licensed away low capital businesses
- Regulated away entry level jobs
- destroyed the value of earnings and savings
- destroyed your equity with low interest teaser loans
- politiced group envy and group privilege
- death penalty
- waged endless war on non-whites

It's time to free your family. Ron Paul 2012

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