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Comment on my liberal father's blog post about Ron Paul?

It would be awesome to swarm my dad's blog post with intelligent, pursuasive, and respectful comments that defend RP, his policies, and his path to the nomination. My dad is an Obama supporter and so are his subscribers, but he is more open to the message of liberty than many democrats, so please don't leave any nasty or alienating comments.

http://laborlou.com/2012/01/who-gets-paul’s-vote/

If we could somehow manage to get my dad to be a Ron Paul supporter, I will give $20 to the daily paul.

Thanks DP community!



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Cheers to both of you

It is truly inspiring to see both father and son working so hard to help make this country and the world a better place. Big thanks to you "Zeitgeist 4 rp" for your passion and to your dad for being so cool to welcome us to share our opinions on his site. After reading all of the posts last night I went to bed feeling incredibly fortunate to be a part of something so positive and peaceful. Life is good..

"I have found that being rich is not about having the most but about needing the least"

on the civil rights act

I wonder how many black people got food poisoning because racist restauranteurs were forced by law to serve them....

Think about it. in 1955, a black couple go out for dinner and pass a restaurant that has a sign saying they are unwelcome. They feel hurt and angry, but shuffle on down the road to a friendlier place where they are welcome. This is unfortunate that it was this way, but it is just the facts of the period.

Jump ahead one decade, and that same restaurant with the sign out front, now can't have the sign and can't refuse service. Gee, I wonder how hard those people worked to provide excellent service. How many burgers were undercooked? How many soft drinks were spit in? How many black people spent days recovering from vomiting and diarrhea because they didn't have a simple way of avoiding the businesses that had no desire to serve them well, even a desire to inflict harm on them? And the racist business owners made a profit on the interaction to boot!

But no, it's just plain crazy to stand for property rights and to let racism wither in the free market of ideas.

And on the affirmative action "dad" also brings up: I wonder how many black people don't get hired and don't even get an interview. I actually took a course in university that aimed to convince the class that blacks were subjects of racism because people had done sociological studies where they sent in resumes with names that were to appear a certain race or ethnicity, and black people got the fewest call-backs and interviews. Who wants to interview someone who automatically has grounds to sue if they aren't hired?

@SPENTHOM

Working for the Remnant means working in impenetrable darkness; and this, I should say, is just the condition calculated most effectively to pique the interest of any prophet who is properly gifted with the imagination, insight and intellect

i would have the impulse if i

i would have the impulse if i were you to say,

"dad, you owe it to me to vote for ron paul. it is my generation stuck with the debts your generation has been racking up, so you people have lost all credibility and you should support me in my decision to vote for ron paul because you know i haven't taken it lightly and because the consequences of this election are on me the most"

@SPENTHOM

Working for the Remnant means working in impenetrable darkness; and this, I should say, is just the condition calculated most effectively to pique the interest of any prophet who is properly gifted with the imagination, insight and intellect

Show you dad

that you have some balls! and that your willing to put your money where your mouth is by making a donation in spite of his ignorance. And give him a super brochure.

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

I posted. Here is my comment

Well, we can either support Obama, who supports greatly increased domestic spending, more overseas adventurism, more military spending, Obamacare with waivers for his friends and the authority of the POTUS to murder, torture or intern US citizens indefinitely without due process; or Mitt Romney, who supports increased domestic spending more overseas adventurism, MUCH more military spending, Obamacare with waivers for HIS friends and the the and the authority of the POTUS to murder, torture or intern US citizens indefinitely without due process? SC Governor Nikki Haley said Romney, told her that South Carolina would be able to get a waiver from the requirement.
http://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/charleston/romney-staffer...

So, given a choice between two tyrants who cannot be trusted, I would say most supporters of Ron Paul will urge Congressman Paul to run third party. The BIGGER question is, should, by some miracle, Ron Paul defeat the MSM, win South Carolina and all of the Southern “Red States,” then build on that momentum to win the nomination, will the GOP establishment recruit Romney or some other GOP RINO to run third party against Ron Paul, as they did in 1980 with John Anderson?

Big ups, wrong audience.

Too much flame, not enough wood imho.

I didn't post either

but if your dad becomes a Ron Paul supporter, I will donate $20 to Daily Paul myself. Of course, your dad will have to sign up to Daily Paul and verify that we had changed his mind and he sees the light!

I didn't need to post there because everyone else is doing a super job and hit most of the main points of almost every issue.

what is it about Obama that~~

your dad likes the most?

Hey i didnt post

but did your dad punch you in the stomach yet a money bomb is going on. post a picture of the punch and im in for another 20.12

freedumb is not free!

Just posted!

First concept.

The creation, production and fair exchange of values is the business of evolving consciousness, love and life.--Craig Johnson

As Barney Stinson would say...

"I accept the challenge" !

any response from your father?

Just wondering if he's thinking about it still... :)

Working for US policy in the mideast that serves AMERICA's interests http://www.councilforthenationalinterest.org/

yes hes still thinking about it

he said he is surprised and impressed at how thoughtful and persuasive the comments were. He's still defending Obama, but I think we may have started to open his mind up a little.

Los Angeles, California

So, thinking about this even more...

I revised the comment below for a more general audience, clarifying a few things we all know by heart diluting it a bit.

I'm curious if the OP would want me to send this on to his target audience. No offense taken if it would be a negative. The implications are, well... revolutionary if at least peaceful and organic.

Here goes... (I'll obviously edit to death)

Dear Mr. Siegel,

This exercise and reading the other responses got me thinking.

This Ron Paul stuff isn't entirely about the message, it definitely isn't about the man. While he is a champion in opening my mind he is not the core, though in the meantime his influence I quite welcome. In the subtext of all this, there is something bigger and what continues to plague my mind is the Occupy people, the Reddit people, the religious people, the tech junkies, the environmentalists and Anonymous people. A whole host of spontaneously organizing pure dissent. Actually, I wouldn't call it dissent, but more appropriately, ascent.

I think what is happening is actually rather simple. I think the guys at The Daily Bell have it pretty close. (Just Google "Daily Bell"). They call it the Internet Reformation, interesting name for it. I'm not sure if you've read the bell. They're smart chaps with a libertarian bent. Their argument is that the internet is a connectivity force many magnitudes more powerful than anyone has ever given it credit for. I tend to agree.

But lets say, we're a more oldschool observer. We would notice more clearly the disparate factions and 'divides' spanning the net, yet miss one crucial thing. People spontaneously self organizing into concerted movements in huge numbers indeed challenges the power of the state. I mean we all saw this coming as an evolution, but I never thought it would happen this fast. It's now happening faster than the state can deal with it hence the drive to regulate the internet. In 'the state' I mean the establishment of power brokerage, yet reluctant concession to the demands of the population.

It's shrinking the state to a large extent all by itself. That people can come to a consensus on important issues somewhat nationally and even somewhat globally, without official deliberation and most importantly, people are proving that they in reality can materially follow up on those conversations. That is a huge assault to the relevancy of the state. I hope you have experienced and/or utilized the power of web 2.0 driven spontaneous social order for yourself. It's an amazing, very fascinating phenomenon. I would think through this blog, you are very well acquainted in the concept. It's just the scale that is so impressive.

I wouldn't call it direct democracy, nor would I really advocate that concept, but things are moving in that direction. The difference is no one faction is becoming beholden to another in any meaningful or forced way.

Liberty is emerging quite naturally since we can all talk and debate, figure out and agree upon for ourselves what we want holding no other or unrelated party hostage. The obsolescence of government by and large is emerging. Of course that will never completely happen, there has to be arbitration and solid law but you get the idea.

The gradual obsolescence of government, naturally and consummately without conflict. Now that's a concept. Without a crystal ball, I cannot put my finger on it, however, the implications are unbelievable.

As the generations turn, I can verily see this trend playing out without any war over who gets what say. Interesting times. Fast and loose interesting times, indeed.

What if spontaneously, there were a 'moneybomb' (or fundraising blitz just in Ronulan parlance) for downtrodden people organized by a group of nice folks spread widely through the net (or whatever other ubiquitous instant mass communication network), and hundreds of millions of bitcoins were raised. (Bitcoin is an open source alternative worldwide currency separate from governments. Some deep research required.) That could replace welfare if scaled up properly and probably be 100x more efficient than bureaucracy. Just like how crowd-sourcing works so well for media artists and how Ron Paul orchestrates his fund raising.

I think that already is a possible reality, but drawing that line out could replace swaths of national government and some of state government entirely. I think people are capable of it. It's not that hard to get millions of people in one place on one wavelength anymore if they are compelled or enticed to pay attention, which in observing the waves of the internet is apparent and quite the statement, though, not yet mature.

The powers of the last century will always fight usurpation of their hegemony. But this century, the prospects are very very interesting for this to become a quite solid reality and really only government dominance of resources (energy, minerals, water) stands in its way. I can't yet see how this is resolved, but well... suffice it to say, I've been blown away so far as to how social gridlocks have been bypassed when the masses communicate among themselves. When it comes to scarcity, I admit some pretty severe shortcomings, yet the principles remain the same.

I'll leave you to consider these implications. I'm not sure I completely grasp them myself. However, trends often escape even the most acute observers. By no means would I discount this possible paradigm from originating organically out of the apparent chaos we're experiencing.

It certainly demands pause for thought.

Thanks again!
-Tom

It was nice

not to see a whole litany of Obama bashing. And it's reflective, that's not what we're really all about.

That exercise and reading the other responses got me thinking.

This Ron Paul stuff isn't entirely about the message, it definitely isn't about the man. Although while he is a champion in our minds he is not the core. In the subtext of all this, there is something bigger and what continues to come to mind is the Occupy people, the Reddit people, the tech junkies and Anonymous people. A whole host of spontaneously organizing pure dissent. Actually, I wouldn't call it dissent, but more appropriately, ascent.

I think what is happening is actually rather simple. I think the guys at The Daily Bell have it pretty close. They call it the Internet Reformation, interesting name for it. I'm not sure if you've read the bell, they're smart chaps. Their argument is that the internet is a connectivity force many magnitudes more powerful than anyone has ever given it credit for. I agree.

But lets say, we're a more oldschool observer. We would notice more clearly the disparate factions and 'divides' spanning the net, yet miss one crucial thing. People spontaneously self organizing into concerted movements in such huge numbers trumps the power of the state entirely. I mean we all saw this coming, but I never thought it would happen this fast. It's now happening faster than the state can deal with it.

It's shrinking the state to a large extent all by itself. That we can come to a consensus on important issues somewhat nationally and even somewhat globally, without them and, most importantly, we are proving that we in reality can materially follow up on those conversations. That is a huge assault to the relevancy of the state.

I wouldn't call it direct democracy, nor would I really advocate that concept, but things are moving in that direction. The difference is no one faction is becoming beholden to another in any meaningful or forced way.

Liberty is emerging quite naturally since we can all talk and debate and figure out for ourselves what we want holding no other or unrelated party hostage. The obsolescence of government by and large is emerging. Of course that will never completely happen, but you get the idea.

The obsolescence of government, naturally and completely without conflict. Now that's a concept.

As the generations turn, I can verily see this trend playing out without any war over who gets what say. Interesting times. Fast and loose interesting times, indeed.

What if spontaneously, there were a moneybomb for hungry people organized by a group of nice folks spread widely through the net (or whatever other ubiquitous instant mass communication network), and hundreds of millions of bitcoins were raised. That would replace welfare if scaled up and probably be 100x more efficient.

I think that already is a reality, but drawing that line out could replace nearly all of national government and much of state government entirely. I think people are capable of it. It's not that hard to get millions of people in one place on one wavelength anymore.

The powers of the last century will always fight it, but this century, the prospects are very very interesting for this to become a quite solid reality and only energy (oil) is the largest hurdle standing in its way.

Great Comment. The Net Is Virtual Occupying...

which keeps the pressure on Washington, the banksters, and the fedgov stenographers of the MSM. The Net is the SpeakerBoxx Deluxe spreading the RP Revolution of peace and prosperity to every corner of the globe, completely bypassing the mainstream media propagandists of the false left/right paradigm. We are all too happy to co-opt their disgraceful "news" content. It is we who give it meaning because it is we who provide the context they are burying. What fools they take us for and what fools they are. No SOPA(rific) is going to chill our fire, dull our ardor for this idea of liberty sweeping the country.

Cheers to you

Very well said..Very inspiring. Also what you said about the spontaneous moneybombs or fundraising reminded me of a recent Keiser report(If I remember correctly) where they discussed an Artist who decided to experiment and put an add out saying he wanted to raise money for his album by simply asking the fans to donate rather than going through all the middle men and amazingly raised a million dollars very quickly. I believe it was to make a point that he didn't need all the marketers and large producers and that bit torrent is the future and that it is in the end going to streamline the free market. This model can be applied to Government as well. lol, Hope that made sense ;-)

"I have found that being rich is not about having the most but about needing the least"

Damn right that makes sense.

I have friends who crowdsource to finance their projects.

For now, I think it is a very interesting concept. Internet regulation and demonization of the openness of it is extremely dangerous, yet ultimately impossible to implement.

We'll see how it plays out. I think, not only can it work, but ultimately it will unconsciously gravitate in toward that end.

Very cool stuff. Gets me a bit spine tingly actually considering it. The tech future is awesome, but thinking about social future is... I don't know... profound? Radical? It at least puts me at somewhat ease while we roil through this most chaotic time.

lol

I love those spine tinglers in hopes of a brighter future :-)There are only a few things that give me that feeling. My family, Ron Paul, Music and being a part of the awakening of the world. Communication has seemed to always be the Key and the Internet opened up the door. Cheers to the future!

"I have found that being rich is not about having the most but about needing the least"

I posted

The real long one

posted

Told your dad to punch you in the stomach and i will donate 40 bucks to DP.

freedumb is not free!

LOL

I'll see your $40 and raise you $40 more!

Make your vote matter this year. A vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil! Vote your conscience, vote for Liberty, vote for the Constitution, VOTE RON PAUL!!!
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I posted a comment too, touched on free market bc of his mentioning "unrestrained corporate practices".

Working for US policy in the mideast that serves AMERICA's interests http://www.councilforthenationalinterest.org/

I posted earlier, there are

I posted earlier, there are some very good and thoughtful replies on there! Good job everyone!

Just posted

Hope to give your dad some new ideas about RP vs Obama :)

Just posted

This is fun! The fact that your dad is willing to read and listen to those of us in this forum is encouraging. Thanks for posting and allowing us to comment!

Make your vote matter this year. A vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil! Vote your conscience, vote for Liberty, vote for the Constitution, VOTE RON PAUL!!!
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Just posted. I kind of think

Just posted. I kind of think I went a little overboard but the words kept flowing. When it feels right, do it! :)

Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto. - T. Jefferson rЭVO˩ution

"Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state wants to live at the expense of everyone.” - BASTIAT

Your poor father. Boy is he going to receive a whallop.

Enough to fill the pages of a novel even.
Big ups to you Z, that was fun. Hope he and his readers take the time.

Cheers!

ps. btw, how old are you? I can only assume you're between 18 and 30 but feel like the characterization of the phrase "young people" is a bit simplistic.

I am 21

and I agree. All RP supporters are "young people" in my mind.

Los Angeles, California

Ron Paul is a Ron Paul supporter

And he's in his 70s!