I wish the talk of Rand being VP would stop
Submitted by fedup48009 on Sun, 01/15/2012 - 09:08I replied to a post earlier about this. This is really getting me mad. Don't we all see what this means?
The Mean Stream Media is trying to "dangle a carrot" in front of all of us to keep us quite and happy. They know that we wield a huge blow to the Republican Party. Without us they cannot win the General Election. Please do not be convinced to waiver in your support for Ron Paul. Actually, what this tells me more than ever that we are getting closer and closer to the prize of getting Ron elected.
Even if Ron does not win the nomination we should stick together. I'm not saying that he won't, because honestly I think it is ours for the taking. But can you imaging the stregth that we all hold? They will be doing anything that they can to garner our votes if Mittens gets the nomination.
In the words of Ron Paul "You don't have to compromise. What you have to do is emphasize the coalitions that people want their freedoms for a different reason and bring them together."
Let's get fired up and support Ron more than ever. I'm donating today. ARE YOU?
In Liberty,
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Actually...
Rand being VP would be great in my book.
That is, of course, if Ron's the nominee ;)
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Vote in this fun poll on who Ron Paul could pick for VP
Vote in this fun poll on who Ron Paul could pick for VP.
www.demochoice.org/dcballot.php?poll=PaulVP2012
Reply to ccwatson...
The VP is the President of the Senate and can preside over the Senate any time he or she wishes. Today, VP's don't customarily preside over the Senate but still have this power. The Senate elects a President pro tempore that acts in the VP's place. You are correct that the VP wouldn't vote except to break a tie but I don't think you're thinking big enough. If the VP chose to, he could actively act as the President of the Senate and call for open debates, time to read the bills, etc.
You said, "Romney is surrounded by advisors who are both neocon and Keynesians. Rand Paul would exert zero influence on a Romney presidency." I agree. That is why I think that if there is ANY credibility to this conversation whatsoever it would be because Rand would plan to be Romney's VP in name only and take on the Senate full time. We've seen how frustrated he is with the Senate in general. It would definitely be unorthadox but aren't all the Pauls?
NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.
They Don't Scare Me
2/3 of all calls on CSPAN are for Ron Paul, coming from 3 different groups. Who says Rand Paul's career would be over if he ran with his father? He's in office until 2016. If Ron doesn't get elected the republic will fall. They are men of honor, courage and principle. Ron is divinely guided. They would rightly take the true course, regardless of the consequences. "Justice be done may the heavens fall". My feeling is that they would take that leap of faith. I feel like Rand Paul, the darling of the senate would only strengthen the ticket, regardless of whether it's the Republican or Independant Party.
Don't forget, there are only 2 emotions in the world:
Love or Fear. Everything else is a derivitive of those 2 So far, Ron Paul's campaigne and strategy has exceeded expectations. I trust him. In God We Trust.
forget about it
we need rand in the senate. end of discussion.
“We have allowed our nation to be over taxed and over regulated and overrun by bureaucrats, the founders would be ashamed of us for what we're putting up with.” Ron Paul
If Paul isn't the Republican nominee
I'm voting 3rd party. It's just that simple.
Exactly!!
I voted for Chuck Baldwin in 2008 and would do the same in 2012, BUT, RP is gonna win, so no worries.
Cheers,
TimB
The criminal establishment should never be trusted.
They are hard-core enemies of humanity and they'll use every trick in the book which includes impersonating Ron Paul supporters to stay in power. If Ron Paul does not get the nomination he can go 3rd party and continue to spread the message. This is not about getting a seat at the devil's table... it's about overturning the table and kicking all the demons out.
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."
Jimi Hendrix
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odcGSi286a4&feature=plcp&cont...
after 2008
we worked toward getting a handful of liberty/peace/constitution candidates elected, for example, Jim Forsythe, and Justin Amash.
Whatever the result is for 2012, after that, I think we'll get 4 times as many of our liberty/peace/constitution candidates into office as we did last time.
nice
Nice thinking!
We are seeing 3x the primary percentages as 4 years ago. They may translate into 3x the percentages for upcoming liberty candidates.
Anyone thinking of running for a local office?
http://FlipFlopRomney.blogspot.com
I'm sure Rand
has no intentions of entertaining the thought of serving under Mittens. Not to mention Mittens has zero chance of beating Obama even if Rand was his VP. To beat Obama the nominee has to get all of the conservative vote, most independents and some democrats. The only one that can do this is Dr. Paul. This is how you know both the GOP and the Dem party are the same with the same agenda. They don't care if Mittens gets beat, they still win. Mittens doesn't care if he gets beat by Obama, he still wins.
If the history of man teaches anything, it is that the masses don't answer until a catastrophe is beating down the door.
Please change the title to:
Please change the title to: "I wish the talk of Rand being Romney's VP would stop"
The title implies that you do not want people discussing Rand as a possible VP for Ron.
A few comments
A few passing comments on this thread…
herbrp
“The President, unless it is Dr. Paul, is a spokesperson and puppet. Cheney ran the globe, just as Biden is now. Who do you think has more interaction with Hillary, Obama or Biden? Cheney did all the nation building and coordinated the illegal wars, etc.”
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Nonsense. GWB was a weak, idiot of a President, and was a creation of his handlers. Dick Cheney was brought in early in the nominating process to help choose his VP, and lo and behold, chose himself. All of GWB’s policy advisors were hand-picked by Cheney, in fact, he brought most of them over with him from the American Enterprise Institute (Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Libbey, Addington, Pearl, Feith, Khalilizad, Abrams, etc).
Romney is surrounded by advisors who are both neocon and Keynesians. Rand Paul would exert zero influence on a Romney presidency.
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TJ1776
“The VP is the president of the Senate. Rand could stop a monumental amount of BS from passing.”
Only when breaking a 50-50 tie. With the filibuster rules, nothing passes with less than 60 votes. I can’t remember the last time any 50-50 vote of import was actually broken by the VP.
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Baug
“The best solution, in that case, is for Mitt Romney to get a Tea Party icon to ride alongside him to assure conservatives that someone is holding him accountable. There are only five people that are probably qualified to fill that role. Sarah Palin (obviously won't be picked), Sen. Lee, Gov. Haley, Sen. DeMint (a likely choice), and the ultimate vote-winner Sen. Paul.
I think it'd be a wise strategic choice for Mitt Romney to pick Rand Paul, as it wins general public Tea Party and it would win many of us. I think we all know Rand has Presidential primaries coming up in his own future, but being a freshman Senator doesn't give him viability... yet.
Rand is seen as an ideas guy by the mainstream Republicans, and yet is solid enough in principle to be a good advocate of our cause. He's a great compromise, and I think Mitt would be well advised to keep Sen. Paul on his short list for VP.
All of that being said, that was assuming Mitt Romney would be making a wise choice for VP. Look for him to ask Sen. Thune, Gov. Christie. Sen. Rubio, Gov. Haley, or Gov. Jindal and mess the ticket up completely.”
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Rand would have no influence to “hold Romney accountable”. Becoming VP would remove him from the Senate, where he is quickly becoming the most important young leader in decades.
Understand that Rand would likely disappear for at least four years, sent off on some stupid mission to do…whatever. At that point, he would either be dropped from the ticket, leave, or be kept (to buy votes again) and sent off again.
To have Rand accept a VP slot would actually be killing two birds with one stone for the party. Rand gets marginalized by removing him from the Senate, and putting him under the thumb of the President and his advisors. They also get to use him to buy our votes.
Understand that is the only reason they would offer him the VP slot. TO BUY OUR VOTES, marginalizing him out of the Senate is just the icing on the cake.
Because of Dr Paul’s strong performance in Iowa and New Hampshire, the realization that the party absolutely cannot win without his supporters has been driven home like a stake through the heart. This is a problem, as they have so offended most of us that they have to know that it is futile to try. They also fear that we cannot be bribed or bought, but they will try anyway.
They first threatened Rand’s political future if Ron runs third party (as if they would support him otherwise…right), but now realize that most of us won’t vote for them anyway.
They are scared, and we need to stick to our guns. Do not let them buy your vote.
Anyway, I think the Paul’s are way to smart to fall for this.
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NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.
Not sure if Rand has the same
Not sure if Rand has the same policies about bringing the troops home. They don't agree on everything. I think Rand's foreign policy is more mainstream than his Dad.
A President can't..
do it all by himself. We need as much support in the Senate and House as possible. VP's (as President of the Senate) can only break tied votes. Rand should stay in the Senate...Until it is his turn to be President.
"The establishment of a central bank is 90%
of communizing a nation." — Vladimir Lenin
I'm with you 100%
I'm voting RON PAUL for President no matter what.
Unless Ron Paul! -Lorax
Rand Paul Vice President? Yes, for Ron Paul ONLY!
That's the only option - any other is dancin with the devil.
www.RxForLiberty.com - cool way to promote Ron to old people.
www.TroopsSupport2012.com - Support the troops, support Ron Paul.
Not an option!
If Rand Paul would run as a VP for Romney then the Revolution would be dead. VP's are NOTHING unless the President were to die. Can you imagine Rand Paul having to live under the thumb of the powers that be and have to suffer knowing that he is powerless to do anything?? Can you imagine the son of Ron Paul. as VP, having to literally sit and watch the Marxist leaders destroy our Constitution and watch the American people who have supported him and his father suffer unthinkable pain and suffering? The innocent and the very people that he swore to protect? NO WAY! It's either Ron Paul as President or we fight together as a people to stand for the Constitution and do our best to oust all the elitists and support Rand Paul for President in 2016.
If Romney were to win (he only can if the system is corrupt) then I think he would pick Christy for VP because Christy is a hawk just like Ronmey. I feel in my heart that Ron Paul will win and he will need all of the help that we can give him.
Absolutely the opposite
The President, unless it is Dr. Paul, is a spokesperson and puppet. Cheney ran the globe, just as Biden is now. Who do you think has more interaction with Hillary, Obama or Biden? Cheney did all the nation building and coordinated the illegal wars, etc.
beephree
Again...
The VP is the president of the Senate. Rand could stop a monumental amount of BS from passing.
NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.
AGAIN..
The President of the Senate (VP) CAN ONLY VOTE WHEN THERE IS A TIE!! HE is not GOD. Google it.
"The establishment of a central bank is 90%
of communizing a nation." — Vladimir Lenin
If Mitt wins...
IF (and that's a big if) Mitt Romney is able to secure the nomination, many would see this as a fatal blow to the Tea Party. This could fuel anti-establishment sentiments so strongly that a viable third party of a Libertarian/Tea Party coalition. However, that's not likely as the goal is to beat Obama. It will make "getting out the vote" more difficult though as Tea Partiers, Libertarians, and Conservatives will feel EXTREMELY disenfranchised.
The best solution, in that case, is for Mitt Romney to get a Tea Party icon to ride alongside him to assure conservatives that someone is holding him accountable. There are only five people that are probably qualified to fill that role. Sarah Palin (obviously won't be picked), Sen. Lee, Gov. Haley, Sen. DeMint (a likely choice), and the ultimate vote-winner Sen. Paul.
I think it'd be a wise strategic choice for Mitt Romney to pick Rand Paul, as it wins general public Tea Party and it would win many of us. I think we all know Rand has Presidential primaries coming up in his own future, but being a freshman Senator doesn't give him viability... yet.
Rand is seen as an ideas guy by the mainstream Republicans, and yet is solid enough in principle to be a good advocate of our cause. He's a great compromise, and I think Mitt would be well advised to keep Sen. Paul on his short list for VP.
All of that being said, that was assuming Mitt Romney would be making a wise choice for VP. Look for him to ask Sen. Thune, Gov. Christie. Sen. Rubio, Gov. Haley, or Gov. Jindal and mess the ticket up completely.
The last Vp that was elected
The last Vp that was elected president was George Bush senior in 1988, before that it was Martin Van Buren in 1836. NO POINT IN ANY VP TALK. it only helps Romney and destroys any chance of getting a Paul in the white house.
At least it starts you off in the top tier for next time around
Forget Cheney, Gore came VERY close, and look at the name recognition Palin has after just running.
But then imagine a sitting VP resigning so that he could challenge the current president!
Nixon
Richard Nixon was a VP.
Ford
Ford was VP then POTUS, However he was appointed VP then became POTUS after Nixon stepped down.
I wish they would stop but not for MSM
What these people are demanding sounds to closely to a Monarchy to me. I know Ron and Rand aren't corrupt. But that opens the door for Bill and VP Hillary. Romney & Son, I find it amazing that people that claim to know so much about our founding fathers, that they are demanding Monarchy. They would have not liked the idea of a single family holding both the presidency and Vice presidency. Again, it would be great this time, but what about the future tyrants that may rule this country and put all they're sons and relative in seats of authority.
'No' to a Ron and Rand monarchy...
I agree. Dynasties should not be promoted.
Moreover, Ron and Rand are not on the same page on foreign policy. Rand's vote in favor of sanctions on Iran, actions which Ron has called 'acts of war', was inexcusable and I believe should bar any popular support for higher office.
I want all Paul VP talk to stop
The only talk im interested is a Paul at the top of the ticket, not the bottom. Mitt will not defend our constitutional rights. He doesnt even know our constitutional rights! He needs to have a team of lawyers decide how to go to war and makes a bafoon of himself talking about states rights.