Please, Do not concede the Christian evangelical vote to Huck...
i am a Christian evangelical. i understand why many of my Brother's and Sister's in the Lord voted for Huckabee. This is why.
Huckabee stood up for Jesus Christ and what Christian evangelicals hold dear. Ron Paul should not just concede them to Huckabee. Ron Paul should fight a little bit for them.
It would not take much for Ron Paul to stand up for Jesus Christ, and to explain to them how this country was founded on the belief in Jesus Christ and the principles He laid out in the Bible for His people to follow. for in this video...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173...
...it explains that the founding fathers of this country understood that this Republic could not stand without the people living by the moral standards written of in the Bible by our God and creator. for without the guiding light of God's principles lived out in His people...people could not possibly govern themselves in a Republic form of government.
Ron Paul talks about this, as personal responsibility...which goes hand in hand with our freedoms.
Ron Paul needs to explain these things to the evangelicals,clearly and boldly, if he wants to draw their vote his way. Ron Paul also needs to express these things in light of why our founding fathers drafted and ratifyed the united States of America's Constitution and Declaration of Independence, with God's own principles found in the Bible and that it was the people's job to hold it's elected officials to these principles, and to their oath to preserve and protect the Constitution. We should not concede the Christian evangelical vote to Huckabee.
And Ron Paul should not allow Huckabee to steal his slogans and platforms that Ron Paul is running on. for example...did you see Huckabee use the phrase "Hope for America" and "revolution" in his speech tonight???




















Thanks Howard....
Yes, go ahead and drop me an e-mail at lionandlambministry@gmail.com and let's see if we can't put this together.
In Christ,
Dave
www.lionandlambministry.com
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Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
In The LORD Jesus Christ;
Dave
"where the Spirit of the LORD is, there is liberty." 2 Cor. 3:17
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All Pastors who support Ron Paul.....e-mail...
Dave at lionandlambministry@gmail.com . Dave is trying to organize a united front of Pastors and preachers of biblical Christianity to present to the Christian community at large.
Howard
"If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, THE TRUTH, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 8:36, 32; 14:6
"If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, THE TRUTH, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 8:36, 32; 14:6
Render unto Caesar?
"Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's and unto God the things that are God's."
Why did Jesus say this?...essentially translated "you got the government you asked for" since the Jewish elders invited the Roman government-in sectarian wars. Contrary to popular erroneous belief, the Romans did not invade the Jews, rather, the Pharisees paid Pompey (Roman General) to take out the 'other side' (63-31BC)---but then the Romans stayed.
Christians fully misunderstand this scripture; As if we are not to be part of 'distasteful' government. Government has become distasteful because God-fearing men have abandoned their responsibility of citizenry.
In this republic---YOU/ME are Caesar. Why? A republic is not rule by law, rather is rule by Elders.
Are you a properly functioning elder, pastor, teacher, evangelist, administrator, etc. in your local congregation? If not, why not---get busy and show up to your city council meeting (with your other 10 elders) and show up at the ballot box too. Unless, you are "Purpose-Driven" then you need to stay home until you repent.
If all of the 'men' that are supposed to be elders would do this, the country could be healed in 48 hours.
Notice the below does not say if the "SINNERS" repent...rather, this was to if "MY PEOPLE"
"If My people which are called by My name shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land" (2 Chron. 7:14)."
Interesting Point
In Christ,
Dave
www.lionandlambministry.com
www.lionandlambtv.com
Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
In The LORD Jesus Christ;
Dave
"where the Spirit of the LORD is, there is liberty." 2 Cor. 3:17
http://www.lionandlambministry.com
So let's DO IT!...
I am MORE than willing to work with other Pastor's who are part of this Movement, to preserve our rights in this Nation to teach and preach Christ, to form a, lol, "coalition" of sorts to get the true Biblical message out. we have to present a united FRONT!
In Christ,
Dave
www.lionandlambministry.com
www.lionandlambtv.com
Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
In The LORD Jesus Christ;
Dave
"where the Spirit of the LORD is, there is liberty." 2 Cor. 3:17
http://www.lionandlambministry.com
An Excellent Point
Ron Paul should certainly start talking more about his faith. Like it or not, many people vote for a candidate based on their religious beliefs. This is a sure-fire way for him to solidify support and he would not have to feign anything. From what I have read, he is a devout Christian. He could speak from his heart and explain to people his beliefs. Let's face it, a person's faith does impact on their behavior. It is a key factor in how they view the world and how they react to different situations. I feel that voters are desperate to hear Dr. Paul freely express his Christian beliefs. He should definitely do this!
Dr. Paul knows
He is not doing this on purpose. It will turn off far more than you know.
Thanks for your support in this!
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Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
In The LORD Jesus Christ;
Dave
"where the Spirit of the LORD is, there is liberty." 2 Cor. 3:17
http://www.lionandlambministry.com
Well..what ggibson is saying is real....
Just remember that much of this false info being FED to Christians is coming from pulpits across America through Satan's agents. What, you don't think the devil is in the pulpit...? That's his favorite spot!
True Biblical Christianity and the Ron Paul message are traveling the same path. It's ALL about Freedom!
In Christ,
Dave
www.lionandlambministry.com
www.lionandlambtv.com
Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
In The LORD Jesus Christ;
Dave
"where the Spirit of the LORD is, there is liberty." 2 Cor. 3:17
http://www.lionandlambministry.com
You Got That Right!!
"If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, THE TRUTH, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 8:36, 32; 14:6
"If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, THE TRUTH, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 8:36, 32; 14:6
All for freedom of speech...
Really...some of the christian-bashing on here.
What if these things were written--about Muslims...or even...forbid...Mormons.
Think about it people... RP is a believer--you bashing him too?
not
If Ron Paul were talking religion all the time and holding up Jesus signs I would not be a supporter of his. He is a believer in private and he has my respect for that.
I grew up in the evangelical world...
I grew up in the evangelical world... I have tried to talk to them about Ron Paul... they straight up tell me they dont want peace... they go on about how oil is going to be found in Israel soon and then it will be revelations time... they WANT armageddon ... not a logical solution to real world problems. We COULD get them... but Ron Paul would have to start pandering and making up lies about how the world works... start talking about how arabs are bad in their blood because they come from the bad blood line of Abraham... racist crap... Maybe after the Democrats get done pushing christianity completely out of our society they will finally wake up to how stupid they have been... If they dont bring us armageddon first.
Religion and Politics
simply, whether your religious or not, what church you belong to, doesnt matter.
we all should be doing church out reaches. finding people who are ron paul supporters and regular church goers to help spread ron's message at church and church activities.
proven fact, word of mouth advertising is most responsive, people rather hear about politics from a friend or family matter. they will be more receptive.
also, very important, church goers also tend to be those that actually vote. other excellent places to reach out to are veterans and senior living centers. again, high percentage of these people vote. we need to bring more people to the voting machines. cant rely soley on the internet.
Ok...Dave will be on here in a few
Please do not discount Dave's influence. He is a true prayerful, man of God.
Howard
"If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, THE TRUTH, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 8:36, 32; 14:6
"If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, THE TRUTH, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 8:36, 32; 14:6
Who is Dave?
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Dave is the Pastor/Preacher on...
www.lionandlambministry.com
"If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, THE TRUTH, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 8:36, 32; 14:6
"If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, THE TRUTH, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 8:36, 32; 14:6
Barry Goldwater had this to
Barry Goldwater had this to say about the so-called Christian Right: "Do not associate my name with anything you do. You are extremists, and you've hurt the Republican Party much more than the Democrats have."
Honestly, I don't see how the majority of these people could ever vote for Paul. I just don't view it as a possibility. Ron isn't anti-gay, anti-muslim, or pro-Israel enough. I'm not trying to offend any Christian Evangelicals that support Ron but I'm just making the point that he just isn't going to appeal to most of the evangelical community. At least, that's how it looks to someone who is not a part of that community.
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Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice.
-Barry Goldwater
You are wrong in this...Let me explain...
The GREAT majority of Christians are mis-informed and have been led astray because they keep their eye on their Pastor and NOT on Jesus Christ. If you are truly following Christ, you have NO choice but to vote for Paul! For further explanation on this lionandlambministry@gmail.com, that's my personal e-amil.
In Christ
Dave
www.lionandlambministry.com
www.lionandlambtv.com
Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
In The LORD Jesus Christ;
Dave
"where the Spirit of the LORD is, there is liberty." 2 Cor. 3:17
http://www.lionandlambministry.com
See people as individuals, not groups.
There are many intelligent, well-read, well-educated, politically savvy Christians who will vote for Ron Paul and have contributed money time and effort to the campaign. You won't find many of them here reading these posts because most of the time when the word "Christian" is uttered here, it's in a negative context, and it's tiring after a while and it turns more people off than you realize.
Look at people as individuals, not groups. Hasn't Dr. Paul taught us that we shouldn't assume "all Christians are bigoted idiots," "all military people are for war," "all liberals are communists," etc.
Dr. Paul does not care to lump people into special interest groups, so we should follow his example. Not all who say they are Christians truly are followers of Christ. Not all true Christians are stupid sheep who don't know better.
http://suzanrobertson.blogspot.com
Amen!
Thanks for representing us!
Statement of Faith
Statement of Faith
By Rep. Ron Paul, MD.
The Covenant News ~ July 21, 2007
We live in times of great uncertainty when men of faith must stand up for our values and our traditions lest they be washed away in a sea of fear and relativism. As you likely know, I am running for President of the United States, and I am asking for your support.
I have never been one who is comfortable talking about my faith in the political arena. In fact, the pandering that typically occurs in the election season I find to be distasteful. But for those who have asked, I freely confess that Jesus Christ is my personal Savior, and that I seek His guidance in all that I do. I know, as you do, that our freedoms come not from man, but from God. My record of public service reflects my reverence for the Natural Rights with which we have been endowed by a loving Creator.
I have worked tirelessly to defend and restore those rights for all Americans, born and unborn alike. The right of an innocent, unborn child to life is at the heart of the American ideal of liberty. My professional and legislative record demonstrates my strong commitment to this pro-life principle.
In 40 years of medical practice, I never once considered performing an abortion, nor did I ever find abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman. In Congress, I have authored legislation that seeks to define life as beginning at conception, H.R. 1094. I am also the prime sponsor of H.R. 300, which would negate the effect of Roe v Wade by removing the ability of federal courts to interfere with state legislation to protect life. This is a practical, direct approach to ending federal court tyranny which threatens our constitutional republic and has caused the deaths of 45 million of the unborn. I have also authored H.R. 1095, which prevents federal funds to be used for so-called “population control.” Many talk about being pro-life. I have taken and will continue to advocate direct action to restore protection for the unborn.
I have also acted to protect the lives of Americans by my adherence to the doctrine of “just war.” This doctrine, as articulated by Augustine, suggested that war must only be waged as a last resort--- for a discernible moral and public good, with the right intentions, vetted through established legal authorities (a constitutionally required declaration of the Congress), and with a likely probability of success.
It has been and remains my firm belief that the current United Nations-mandated, no-win police action in Iraq fails to meet the high moral threshold required to wage just war. That is why I have offered moral and practical opposition to the invasion, occupation and social engineering police exercise now underway in Iraq. It is my belief, borne out by five years of abject failure and tens of thousands of lost lives, that the Iraq operation has been a dangerous diversion from the rightful and appropriate focus of our efforts to bring to justice to the jihadists that have attacked us and seek still to undermine our nation, our values, and our way of life.
I opposed giving the president power to wage unlimited and unchecked aggression, However, I did vote to support the use of force in Afghanistan. I also authored H.R. 3076, the September 11 Marque and Reprisal Act of 2001. A letter of marque and reprisal is a constitutional tool specifically designed to give the president the authority to respond with appropriate force to those non-state actors who wage aggression against the United States while limiting his authority to only those responsible for the atrocities of that day. Such a limited authorization is consistent with the doctrine of just war and the practical aim of keeping Americans safe while minimizing the costs in blood and treasure of waging such an operation.
On September 17, 2001, I stated on the house floor that “…striking out at six or eight or even ten different countries could well expand this war of which we wanted no part. Without defining the enemy there is no way to know our precise goal or to know when the war is over. Inadvertently more casual acceptance of civilian deaths as part of this war I'm certain will prolong the agony and increase the chances of even more American casualties. We must guard against this if at all possible.” I’m sorry to say that history has proven this to be true.
I am running for president to restore the rule of law and to stand up for our divinely inspired Constitution. I have never voted for legislation that is not specifically authorized by the Constitution. As president, I will never sign a piece of legislation, nor use the power of the executive, in a manner inconsistent with the limitations that the founders envisioned.
Many have given up on America as an exemplar for the world, as a model of freedom, self-government, and self-control. I have not. There is hope for America. I ask you to join me, and to be a part of it.
Sincerely,
Ron Paul
Huckabee didn't stand up for Jesus.
He used Jesus to stand up for his political agenda. He used the name of the lord to boost his Christian support. Any Christian who supports a man just because he says "Jesus" is not a Christian. Any small investigation into Huckabee's record, and past, shows that he is not what he claims to be. Many evil man have used the name of the lord to prosper, and to enslave mankind. Many good Christians have died in the name of Jesus, because of these men. It is our duty as Christians to inform our brothers and sisters in Christ of this Man's true nature. The Evangelicals that gave us Bush are giving us Huckabee. Enough said.
Huckabee didn't stand up for Jesus.
He used Jesus to stand up for his political agenda. He used the name of the lord to boost his Christian support. Any Christian who supports a man just because he says "Jesus" is not a Christian. Any small investigation into Huckabee's record, and past, shows that he is not what he claims to be. Many evil man have used the name of the lord to prosper, and to enslave mankind. Many good Christians have died in the name of Jesus, because of these men. It is our duty as Christians to inform our brothers and sisters in Christ of this Man's true nature. The Evangelicals that gave us Bush are giving us Huckabee. Enough said.
Please add www.lionandlambministry.com to the list
of websites supporting Ron Paul. Dave who runs the site www.lionandlambministry.com is a tireless worker, frankly I don't know when the man sleeps, who is now on board. Everyday he has posted a new Ron Paul video on the site, and has also incorporated Ron Paul into the videos of his Bible teaching. I believe that if Chuck and Dave, and the other Pastors on here team up as a force we can make a real difference in the Christian community...
Howard
"If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, THE TRUTH, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 8:36, 32; 14:6
"If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, THE TRUTH, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 8:36, 32; 14:6
Christian for Paul sites
http://www.christian-quest.com
http://www.christiansforronpaul.com
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com
Blogs
http://screamfreedom.blogspot.com
Davy C Rockett
http://liberty-central.blogspot.com
http://screamfreedom.blogspot.com
http://cystic-fibrosis-symptom.com
http://medical-definitions.com
Dr. Paul
Dr. Paul is the smartest of all of us. He does not flash his religious beliefs in front of us all like some kind of banner. He keeps it personal and private within his family where it belongs. He leaves it out of political discussions. He knows it has no place in government or in the presidential race.
His political positions are rooted in what's right, and I'm sure that many of his principled beliefs are based upon not only our Constitution, but on his religion, like many of us.
Frankly, I tire of all the religious threads here and I've bailed out more than once in my daily reading. Keep your prayer and your religion private please, like the good doc. Learn something from him. This is a political website. If you think a Christians for Ron Paul effort will help get him elected, start another website and by all means focus on it! Plastering it in front of everyone else is not productive and we'll lose valuable activists because of it.
Don't Read Them
If you don't like a forum topic, don't open it.
If religion is not important in this election, why is Huckabee #1 in Iowa?
IA represents 1%.
IA is part of of the country, not all of it! They spoke loud and clear on the rep side that they want a government that imposes religious beliefs, that gives them their subsidies. From both sides, Dems and Reps, IA made it clear they are pro big government.
For the majority of this country religion should be out of politics.
JB
"You take the blue pill and the story ends. You wake in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill and you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes. -- all I am offering is the truth, nothing more."
You're exactly right, but...
...just as we would like our religious supporters to "keep (their) prayer and religion private", I would also like to request that the less or non-religious folks keep their lack of prayer and religion private, as well. I'm afraid that the bashing given to the religious-minded folks who are reading here will turn them off of our candidate.
Religion, or lack thereof, should NOT be a political issue, and we only further it as one when it is derided, condemned, made fun of, and slammed as ignorant. People who might otherwise be interested in the Ron Paul platform will be turned off completely to the message when they feel attacked on something as near & dear as their faith, and to Huck they'll run.
I'm with you 100% on following Dr. Paul's example on this!!